SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

If the governments of countries shut down the countries to contain it, does that mean the shops will be closed?

If so, how do you get food supplies in such a scenario?
 
It hitting Canary Wharf are a nightmare for spreading, especially if it is surviving on surfaces for 2-9 hours, there's like 5 million people who use the tube every day, plus all of those on the DLR, plus, loads of people connect to national rail to the home counties. I think this HSBC infection could be a new super spreader

Indeed. I'll be boarding the Jubilee line there in about 10 minutes (and only live one stop away). One hopes that the tube trains are being regularly sterilised (although, somehow, I doubt it).
 
If the governments of countries shut down the countries to contain it, does that mean the shops will be closed?

If so, how do you get food supplies in such a scenario?

You just shut down the non-essential stuff for day-to-day life. That seems enough to slow it down. So far, news from China seem to indicate that. Stuff like groceries store, garbage collection, and a myriad of other stuff keeps happening as normal or a few restrictions. Restaurants, discos, football games, churches, don't.
 
If the governments of countries shut down the countries to contain it, does that mean the shops will be closed?

If so, how do you get food supplies in such a scenario?

I don't see why you couldn't continue with deliveries from country to country but ban tourists and other non-essential visitors. Lorry drivers must only make a small percentage of the total visitors to a country and work in relative isolation. As long there are enough people to produce, package and pack food then things could continue quite normally in that regard.
 
Why do I have to wash my hands after taking a piss? Is there Corona on my dick?

I'm 99% sure my dick is cleaner than my hands as well. I should wash my dick after touching it with my hands really.
 
I don't see why you couldn't continue with deliveries from country to country but ban tourists and other non-essential visitors. Lorry drivers must only make a small percentage of the total visitors to a country and work in relative isolation. As long there are enough people to produce, package and pack food then things could continue quite normally in that regard.

yea i was actually saying something to my neighbour recently. Imagine that if they shut the country they would still allow the truck drivers to move freely.

But would you be able to shop in tesco or aldi or whomever? Or would they be closed and a different method used?
 
You just shut down the non-essential stuff for day-to-day life. That seems enough to slow it down. So far, news from China seem to indicate that. Stuff like groceries store, garbage collection, and a myriad of other stuff keeps happening as normal or a few restrictions. Restaurants, discos, football games, churches, don't.

Ok thanks.
 
yea i was actually saying something to my neighbour recently. Imagine that if they shut the country they would still allow the truck drivers to move freely.

But would you be able to shop in tesco or aldi or whomever? Or would they be closed and a different method used?
You could have deliveries only with delivery men wearing protective equipment which would be safest but quite difficult to meet demand.

The next option could be to limit the numbers in the supermarket at any one time, it would be easier to do than the first option but Tesco would look like a nightclub on Saturday night.

The third option would be to open as normal and have staff routinely clean touch screens, surfaces, baskets and then make everyone wear gloves and perhaps masks.

These are in extreme cases though.
 
My impression is that it was around 20%.

Bear in mind that some may be in the hospital just because there is local capacity for it, the first few cases tend to be a bit "priviliged" in that regard. If there are isolation rooms they may be kept there until more urgent cases need them. What I mean is that from those being "treated" in the hospital, a few may just be quarantined. Just a guess.
Are there any statistics for how often people require hospitalisation?
UK from what i read was working off plans for 15% needing hospitalisation and 20% of those ICU needed.

It wouldn't surprise me if currently they're encouraging people to stay in hospital whilst they've got the space to avoid spread.

Todays figures from Italy.

'Ricoverati con sintomi' means hospitalised with symptoms
'Terapitiva intensiva' means intensive care
'Isolamento domciliare' means isolated at home

65% in hospital, 10% in intensive care. The hospitalisation number has gone up from closer to 50% a few days ago.

http://www.protezionecivile.gov.it/...arzo2020/a529828b-0bf0-4d5b-ad66-4669d3635a24
 
I looked up stats for Flu deaths in 18/19 season : 16400
So far, in what, 2 1/2 months, which must be more than a 1/3 of the flu season this year, and Corona has accounted for 3000 deaths apparently. I wonder what flu has accounted for so far?

Where did you get that figure? Flu deaths per season are estimated at between 300,000 and 600,000

That's usually taken as between October and May.

So in the period since Covid-19 started well over 100,000 will have died from influenza (assuming about 3 months)
 
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Why do I have to wash my hands after taking a piss? Is there Corona on my dick?

I'm 99% sure my dick is cleaner than my hands as well. I should wash my dick after touching it with my hands really.

It probably is, but the button you pressed to flush after taking a slash most likely isn’t!
 
Why do I have to wash my hands after taking a piss? Is there Corona on my dick?

I'm 99% sure my dick is cleaner than my hands as well. I should wash my dick after touching it with my hands really.

You mean you don't do that already???
 
I keep hearing that in most young people, Coronavirus symptoms are 'mild' - but what does this mean?

Does mild = An annoying cough, and getting on with your day?

Or does it mean, feeling like absolutely shite but not needing hospital treatment?
 
Amazing how when it was Dublin it was reported as the east, when it was Clare it was the west but in cork it’s cork no bullshit, also it’s the first case where the person hadn’t been to Italy.
 
This self isolation stuff is such bull.

As this thread has shown, there's so many idiots who will know they have it, but will just continue forcing themselves into work and going out and about if they feel completely fine within the 2 week period.

I really feel the incompetent government should take drastic action and if people are confirmed they should be monitored and actually forced to stay home. Big punishments if found going out and contaminating anyone.
 
Its not really accurate to compare number of deaths caused by flu and deaths by coronavirus as there are quite a few different strains of flu and only 1( possibly 2) strains of Sars CoV 2.

For a single strain, Sars CoV 2 is doing quite a lot of damage.
 
Had a terrifying all-caps text message from the doctor's: '***CORONAVIRUS ALERT*** DO NOT COME TO THE SURGERY'.
Almost gave me a heart attack, ironically...
 
Had a terrifying all-caps text message from the doctor's: '***CORONAVIRUS ALERT*** DO NOT COME TO THE SURGERY'.
Almost gave me a heart attack, ironically...
I kinda agree with them. Doctors' Surgeries are full of sick people. Stay as far away as you can.
 
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Weren't you the one criticising China for not doing enough? And now you're saying they completely shut down.

He’s also complained that schools are not closed, then said that HSBC closing a floor for a deep clean is them panicking. He must have posted 40% of the posts in this thread and every single one just takes the position of criticism.
 
The whole world is not taking this disease very seriously. Lots of talk but very little action. People still casually flying around the world for skiing holidays like nothing's going on. STOP GOING TO ITALY/CHINA/IRAN/KOREA you numbshits.

It almost seems like governments and health organisations want it to spread around.

Unbelievable that the WHO still won't rate it as a pandemic.

Most people won't, they'll just assume everything will be fine, and even if they do get it then it'll be nothing too serious for them, that's my approach anyway, I don't really know how else people are expected to approach something like this, just carry on, and don't worry too much.
 
He’s also complained that schools are not closed, then said that HSBC closing a floor for a deep clean is them panicking. He must have posted 40% of the posts in this thread and every single one just takes the position of criticism.

You want to bury your head in the sand, go ahead. Places like the UAE have 28 cases and have closed all school/colleges. We're at 115 and I'm guessing several more, yet no action.
 
Most people won't, they'll just assume everything will be fine, and even if they do get it then it'll be nothing too serious for them, that's my approach anyway, I don't really know how else people are expected to approach something like this, just carry on, and don't worry too much.

Like the guy who posted above you.
 


Although I'm not entirely sure the USA fits what I meant by "modern world" in this particular context, a quarantine center is not the same thing as an hospital. The question was specifically about treating people who are sick, that seems to bedesigned to keep assmyptomatic carriers or very suspicious contacts away from the general population.
 
You want to bury your head in the sand, go ahead. Places like the UAE have 28 cases and have closed all school/colleges. We're at 115 and I'm guessing several more, yet no action.

I don’t want to. But you’re not even handed. You’re just taking opposing positions. Unless I’m wrong, you called the HSBC reaction as being over the top. But you want all schools closed and flights grounded.

The fact is : We created this global economy based on a (mainly) Capitalist framework. We can’t just stop. There are no mechanisms in place. Growth must happen or it all falls apart. We can’t press pause.

Yes I think The globe could all spend a month at home and we’d all be ok.

But the planet is built on ‘Good enough’ being good enough. The things you suggest are just not possible.
 
What do you want to happen?

Its almost past the point of what i want to happen. With the Canary Wharf infection, I imagine several more were infected. I hope not but we could be on the verge of hundreds of infections in London alone.

Phase 1 of the approach was "contain" - how the feck do you expect to contain if you're allowing the virus passage into the country? Yeah, thats one of the worst "battle plans" in history.

Right now, I'd recommend businesses to start encouraging as many people as possible to work from home. Not sure if you be on the TFL but it is packed with people and is a breeding ground for a massive outbreak. I also advocated closing Universities and Colleges, and even possibly even have kids over the age of 16 study from home, too.
 
I don’t want to. But you’re not even handed. You’re just taking opposing positions. Unless I’m wrong, you called the HSBC reaction as being over the top. But you want all schools closed and flights grounded.

The fact is : We created this global economy based on a (mainly) Capitalist framework. We can’t just stop. There are no mechanisms in place. Growth must happen or it all falls apart. We can’t press pause.

Yes I think The globe could all spend a month at home and we’d all be ok.

But the planet is built on ‘Good enough’ being good enough. The things you suggest are just not possible.

Read the post again, and my previous posts. I've never once had opposing views in here.
 
Read the post again, and my previous posts. I've never once had opposing views in here.


HSBC evacuates its Canary Wharf office.

This is what causes panic.

If the government began small scale closures - that wouldn't indicate panic - we'd be witnessing quick acting solutions.

You’re suggesting closing a floor of a building causes panic.

But you want to close schools and arrivals from certain countries.
 
You’re suggesting closing a floor of a building causes panic.

But you want to close schools and arrivals from certain countries.

I'm suggesting the lack ot government action will result in panic.

And of course people are now panicking - everyone here in London is starting to worry now. Had they began closures, as I suggested in that same post, things like deep cleans would seem normal in these situations.
 
Its almost past the point of what i want to happen. With the Canary Wharf infection, I imagine several more were infected. I hope not but we could be on the verge of hundreds of infections in London alone.

Phase 1 of the approach was "contain" - how the feck do you expect to contain if you're allowing the virus passage into the country? Yeah, thats one of the worst "battle plans" in history.

Right now, I'd recommend businesses to start encouraging as many people as possible to work from home. Not sure if you be on the TFL but it is packed with people and is a breeding ground for a massive outbreak. I also advocated closing Universities and Colleges, and even possibly even have kids over the age of 16 study from home, too.

Unless they are withholding information on the virus I just don't see this as a rational response, they are openly saying they expect the majority to ultimately get this, so I'd like to think they know this happening isn't going to wipe half the population, I'm in the school of thought that thinks that there is a certain delaying tactic going on until the vaccine is place, but we can't bring the worlds economy down until it is.

I could be miles off, but I'm not going in hysteria over this, I think we should be vigilant, and more hygienic for sure, but that's it.
 
I'm suggesting the lack ot government action will result in panic.

And of course people are now panicking - everyone here in London is starting to worry now. Had they began closures, as I suggested in that same post, things like deep cleans would seem normal in these situations.

I don’t know where in London you are but I don’t see any panic. Or worry. At all.

I disagree. I don’t think the government‘s actions are leading to panic.