A large number of poorer households don't have computers or access to the internet. Also, many parents won't encourage their kids to do any of this. Schools are a physical environment to level this playing field, and provide a semblance of structure in their otherwise chaotic lives
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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'THERE'S NO PANDEMIC': People across the U.S., many of whom are vocal Trump supporters, are protesting stay-at-home orders.
COVID-19 has killed more than 37,000 people in America within the last 7 weeks.
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COVID-19 has killed more than 37,000 people in America within the last 7 weeks.
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BUT BUT BUT how can they compare every human being on this planet with pointless exams that 9/10 means absolutely nothing in their future lives or careers?
I think you have a very valid point.
I've not seen it mentioned much (perhaps my own fault) but Vietnam seems to have done incredibly well suppressing the spread. Reading the overview it's comes across as a well-planned, dynamic response.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Vietnam
It says they've been prepared since mid-December, and activated their Emergency Epidemic Prevention Centre in January. While Boris was still shaking hands with coronavirus patients in March.
Always difficult to compare between countries, but for context Ho Chi Minh has a similar population and density to London, albeit less international mobility. Hanoi similar.
Highlights the under-preparedness of other countries - it wasn't taken seriously enough. It's understandable but governments should have teams of experts/researchers to take these things seriously by default given the monumental risk to society. Either the teams don't exist, weren't fit for purpose, or weren't listened to. It's not a coincidence that countries with experience dealing with similar viruses in the past have had some of the sharpest responses. It's been negligent of other countries not to have proactively assessed this and drawn on the experience.
It goes to show that through logical methods (organised testing, tracing and individual quarantines) the number of cases can be limited to a few thousand rather than a few hundred thousand. It spreads like a bushfire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Vietnam
It says they've been prepared since mid-December, and activated their Emergency Epidemic Prevention Centre in January. While Boris was still shaking hands with coronavirus patients in March.
Always difficult to compare between countries, but for context Ho Chi Minh has a similar population and density to London, albeit less international mobility. Hanoi similar.
Highlights the under-preparedness of other countries - it wasn't taken seriously enough. It's understandable but governments should have teams of experts/researchers to take these things seriously by default given the monumental risk to society. Either the teams don't exist, weren't fit for purpose, or weren't listened to. It's not a coincidence that countries with experience dealing with similar viruses in the past have had some of the sharpest responses. It's been negligent of other countries not to have proactively assessed this and drawn on the experience.
It goes to show that through logical methods (organised testing, tracing and individual quarantines) the number of cases can be limited to a few thousand rather than a few hundred thousand. It spreads like a bushfire.
This country has never been regimental with the law. You can’t suddenly expect it to change and expect our lockdown to be like France, China and Russia.
Literally a few days ago there were people in this thread having a go at police officers for having the audacity to tell a journalism to bugger off home and not film them.
What do you think would happen if police became heavy handed?
I don’t know what People want, everywhere is shut except for supermarkets and they’re limiting entry and have security on every entrance.
Moaning about people going for multiple walks a day? Seriously ? Walking about by yourself in the open air is hardly going to be a breeding ground for the virus.
Far far too many people in this thread forming decisive opinions from behind their computer screen and sometimes in a completely different country. I mean ffs the person who quoted your comment accused the reaction to the virus at the start of the month as ‘western hysteria’. And now he’s telling everyone what they should and shouldn’t have been doing.
I’ve said this before but I’m forming my opinion based on what I see with my eyes when I am actually outside and seeing this.
I use trains to get to work, my work is literally me being outside all day and I am telling you this is a lockdown. The reduction in people on the street, on the tubes, in the supermarkets is massive.
You will always get a small minority disobeying and trying to flout the rules, but it’d be the same everywhere.
Do we have initial reports from WHO solidarity trial?
Also Remdesivir, how many countries have the ability to produce it, if it proves effective?
Also Remdesivir, how many countries have the ability to produce it, if it proves effective?
That's kind of how it is where I am, in Italy. There are police and army patrolling, and helicopters often overhead. There are regular checkpoints where you're expected to produce a document that justifies why you need to be outside. It's up to a €5000 fine/jail time if your reason isnt good enough. I go to the supermarket once a week and that's the only time I go outside. The streets are deserted.
My entire family is in the UK, as are most of my friends. Going for long walks and runs every day is not lockdown. It's also a worry when you see how slowly Italy's cases are dropping despite such drastic measures.
They don't like it up 'em, Captain Hancock.
Yeah British and Italian police are very different. We police by consent over here. The idea that those policies will be adopted here is naive, especially as the vast majority of people are respecting the rules of the lockdown.
Why should people not be allowed to go for a run or walk everyday? As for the last bit, maybe that tells you that regimental lockdowns aren’t the be and end all answer like a lot of people seem to think it is.
Your last point is interesting. The UK does seem to be tracking Italy in terms of deaths, give or take a few, so how can that be when Italy's lockdown is supposedly so much more severe? I've seen theories about smoking, hugging, age demographics but it still makes you wonder whether the more severe lockdown is actually achieving anything. For the record I'm in favour of enforcing the lock down rules, but I'm not a hundred percent sure I'm right.
@Leroy The Red, I may be in Italy but I have a good idea what's going on in the UK, we have family there who we talk to every day. My sister took me on a 45-min walk with her on a Whatsapp video call the other day, there were loads of people wandering around in her big town. There are restrictions, but it's not a lockdown and you can pretty much guarantee you won't get stopped by the police if you're just walking around. You're allowed to take a whole hour's exercise and even drive to get to the place where you want to exercise!
My initial point was that I can't understand why British people don't think that's sufficient freedom, as far as getting out and about is concerned. It's too much freedom, in a pandemic situation. They've even roped off the street benches here, so you don't spend any longer than is absolutely necessary outside your house. You get your essentials, you go straight home.
The UK had a lot of time to look at what was happening in Italy and act quickly. I predict that the UK will end up with a lot more deaths than Italy.
My initial point was that I can't understand why British people don't think that's sufficient freedom, as far as getting out and about is concerned. It's too much freedom, in a pandemic situation. They've even roped off the street benches here, so you don't spend any longer than is absolutely necessary outside your house. You get your essentials, you go straight home.
The UK had a lot of time to look at what was happening in Italy and act quickly. I predict that the UK will end up with a lot more deaths than Italy.
Exactly, people who are saying this isn't a lockdown are having a laugh, we're not allowed to see literally anyone. Being allowed to exercise once a day is a basic human right.
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Yeah this is a worry. Even in the best case scenarios there's been an obvious positive skew to the case 'curve'. The decline will take longer than the incline, possible multiple times longer depending on severity. Hopefully the time that's been bought since lockdown allows reintegration to take place before the equivalent point. Personally I'm not sure how that's going to work, but we'll find out.
I didn't just hint at it, I stated it - but it still seems to represent a relatively unimpressive dip from our peak considering we've been confined to our homes for about 4 weeks. In the same time frame and despite much more widespread testing Italy had gone up to a peak of 6.5k cases and back down to around 4.5k. Spain had gone up to 8.2k then down 5k flat, again with more extensive testing. We've gone up to 5.9k and mosied on back down to about 5k if we're generous. This implies that the descent from our own (observable) peak is likely to be that much shallower.
Other than today's count the same sort of pattern seems to be revealing itself through the death stats too (Though day of reporting is a relatively inaccurate stat). Italy's peak in reported deaths was 919 and its fall from then on seems to be shallow but readily observable. Same is true of Spain. Ours is also apparently dropping but at an even shallower pitch.
I maintain that that is a bit shit.
Well done for missing the entire point, you’d do well in Government.
Let’s Fcuk over EVERYONE as that’s pretty easy.
We need to move away from outright country comparisons.
The UK acted late on social distancing orders. Late on stay home and light and late on ‘lockdown’ orders.
The numbers will never mirror. I also think it’s a bit shit. But I think we’re far removed from, and too far past direct comparisons.
Appreciably, it’s not my business to tell you how to frame a post, so hands up on that.
Yup, it all stems from the obsession with contrasting and comparing every countries response, lockdowns, death figures, etc. Every country is different and there are so many different factors at play. You have two posters from Italy criticising lockdown measures here for presumably being too light and police not getting involved. But policing in uk and Italy are completely different. Police here would be crucified if they became pedantic and forceful with the lockdown measures.
@Penna
I don’t doubt your sister saw that, but like I said there’ll be people flouting the rules. And if you you’re selective enough you can find examples. I worked in Finsbury Park a few weeks ago and there were lots of people trying to dick about at some point in the day but for the vast majority of the day it was fine and most are obeying.
it's like a parallel universe.
Honestly some people seem to have a fettish for a full lockdown, it's bizarre!
Me and my friend have/had a long term plan to set up a life for ourselves in either Portugal or Spain, we are now both in full agreement that the latter is well and truly off the table now solely down to the extreme lockdown measures, it's inhumane denying a person fresh air and natural light.
An Ireland without pubs. Dear god.
Yes, I think you are correct unfortunately about what's happening. Too many British people are stubborn and a bit selfish about this, thinking that it won't happen to me. Quite a few people have said to me that they'll do what they want, regarding being outside, with the attitude of I'm being careful so I'll be okay. There are more than I thought too with this irresponsible stupid behaviour.
Near to us there is parking for up to two hours, and the amount of people who park up, go for walks and use the park for those full two hours or more is very high. The lack of traffic wardens giving tickets also is leading to people staying in our park here for as long as it suits them it seems.
Selfish people in a little bubble of their own lives, or just completely unaware and uncaring of others or the country. It's the me, me, me, I, I, I attitude that has taken over lots of people nowadays.
Mini rant over
Minutes of New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) 21 Feb: corona threat "moderate"
minute 2.4 on page 5: https://app.box.com/s/3lkcbxepqixkg4mv640dpvvg978ixjtf/file/640968322003
PH asked the committee if anyone thought that the PHE risk assessment should change. No objections were raised however after the meeting, JE emailed to say that he was online but for some technical reason could not be heard. JE believes that the risk to the UK population (in the PHE risk assessment) should be high, as there is evidence of ongoing transmission in Korea, Japan and Singapore, as well as in China.
https://mega.nz/file/rxs3CaJJ#8wth6thR2bmsu9HwOdAz82F4Z6n8l2d3hyG-fAKJBwE
minute 2.4 on page 5: https://app.box.com/s/3lkcbxepqixkg4mv640dpvvg978ixjtf/file/640968322003
PH asked the committee if anyone thought that the PHE risk assessment should change. No objections were raised however after the meeting, JE emailed to say that he was online but for some technical reason could not be heard. JE believes that the risk to the UK population (in the PHE risk assessment) should be high, as there is evidence of ongoing transmission in Korea, Japan and Singapore, as well as in China.
https://mega.nz/file/rxs3CaJJ#8wth6thR2bmsu9HwOdAz82F4Z6n8l2d3hyG-fAKJBwE
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Always the way. Social distancing is too effective in the fight to let it get knocked back every weekend
I don't think true lockdown is realistic. It isn't enforceable in most places, we just don't have the resources.
Cheers but it's saying that file/link has been removed. Still interested to read it if you have another source.
My message to your brother in law would be that his skillset will very much be in demand once we're out of this, albeit, he may have to rebuild his business upto its former level. I'm desperate for a haircut, and know many of my friends and family are in the same place (social media is full of men gradually looking like cavemen). Once lockdown measures are able to be relaxed in a way that businesses can operate using social distancing etc, barber shops will have record business given the backlog and people preferring shorter cuts in summer months. I predict it will be a nightmare being able to get an appointment.
Also, its very good that he cares for his employee's but that can't be at the cost of his family's basic needs. Also, isnt that what the Governments furlough scheme was about?
Some Americans. Ugh.
Strange. I just tried again and it work for me. Try from here:
https://mega.nz/file/rxs3CaJJ#8wth6thR2bmsu9HwOdAz82F4Z6n8l2d3hyG-fAKJBwE
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Unfortunately the people they will ultimately infect don't. These people are enough to make your blood boil.
Communist Britain
People are doing exactly what they're being told to do, at least around here. That's probably why we've only had one non-fatal case of Covid-19 in the village, despite the high number of very old people who live here (and we also have a large nursing home right in the centre).
Honestly, I'll never be able to become an Italian citizen because my language skills aren't up to the required standard, but I'm quite proud to be living here right now.
Any countries could have developed "remdemsivir" or "whatever the medicine" if they wanted, it's such an emergency and special case it's not hard to build a factory for mass product (assuming the raw ingredients isn't scarce).
If the patent holder opens up their secret and recipe that is
Good post!
I disagree personally. I think if they could, they would. They would have had this conversation in my eyes. Just my opinion obviously.
I was there in 2009 during the height of the swine flu outbreak, they were very on the ball. My work-mate got back from there in February and said they were also very on the ball, testing left right and centre.
Nice one, got it open now thanks. Will have a read.
There is absolutely differences in areas based on whether people are knob heads. Maybe that's a bit harsh, but it's good you live in a nice area. Some of the differences between certain shops is eye opening. I had a horrific experience in co op in a dodgy area where 20-30 people were inside the store with no management enforcing social distancing, and we're talking a small local type shop!
That's bad. The people round here aren't well-to-do, but they seem to work together well. In the pharmacy, you can queue inside if you want, but people very quickly took it upon themselves to wait outside. It's certainly better for the pharmacist as she then only has one person in the shop at any one time.
was thinking about this the other day. How on earth could you enforce it even if you limit the amount of people in? Drunk people gravitate to each other. That’s before we talk about the pokey toilets and disgusting bathroom habits. They’d be a hive for all kinds of virus. Safer getting the cans in