Obviously, because if they didn't they wouldn't be at work.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Obviously, because if they didn't they wouldn't be at work.
So what are me and the Mrs supposed to do with the kids when we are both at work? Leave them at home by themselves? I'd have no house left.
The military and the Police could easily enforce lockdowns in major cities and towns.
No government have the stomach to impose the measures needed.
The guy you initial quoted has made it very clear that if he doesn't work he can't feed his kids.
Ultimately there's more chance of kids dying on the way to school than there is of the virus.
If they don't get fed, they're dead within weeks.
Fine, you go back to work then.
I can see a lot of people milking this and being "unfit to work" due to the mental scarring from the pandemic, obviously some will be affected, but a lot of wasters will try milking it too, just so they don't have to goto work.
Right, all the young vulnerable kids die, or you don't get your food. You choose.
You don't get it, the world is not going back to how it used to be.
We either build a new society with new ways if doing things or it will evetuallt collapse into anachy.
How do you know you had the same viral load?Viral load doesn't necessarily equate to symptoms. You can give the same cold virus to 2 people in the same household, both will have the same viral load but one might sneeze once and the other has 1 week in bed. I know this because I'm always the latter
Symptoms are about how your body is responding to the virus rather than it being the virus itself causing them.
It's why it scares me what will happen. If the government ever decided they wanted to implement martial law into this country it really won't be that hard to get a significant number on board. Right subtle words at the right time, the correct context on graphs all off a sudden people who swore they would never give up their liberty's are signing up as volunteers to enforce the new law.
When do you ever see a time this will happen ?
We need a cure, that isnt likely to happen.
So the alternative is?
. Everyone go back to work, vunerable kids and people die.
Thankfully, he's a long way from that happening. It's a good business which I believe will be fine once the restrictions are lifted but it's a horrible waiting game now for so many people out there.
I don't think there's a final strategy in place at the moment, they have mentioned the five key indicators which I think they will use if they need to extend the lockdown.
I am not really sure what to expect in three weeks time, I am guessing certain businesses may start operating again as we need a bit of normality in life.
I work in IT for the one of the supermarkets and there was a big push to get the business setup for home working, there's no way we did that for six weeks of home working. Social distancing policy will stay in place for a while so I think most of us who work in an office will continue to work from home for now and I can't see nothing wrong with this, anyone who works in a manufacturing will probably return to work as well assuming the workshop layout has changed and people can work two meters apart.
Those in the retail and social industry will suffer the most as I can't see shops, pubs, bars, restaurants opening for a while. Some will adapt their business and survive but we are going to see so many broken people at the end of this this.
The papers are wrong.
My local schools have already told Year 11 that they’re never coming back. The final year of infant school has been cancelled too.
This must surely be the case in many other towns/counties.
Schools may start taking children in, butI would expect that to be a surgical decision by region, down to town and village level. Restrictions on catchment area - no travelling more than X miles to get to school would be a huge consideration.
You’ve got to contain and manage. Some will be dealt a worse hand than their friends at school, but that’s how it needs to be.
No you're the one who isn't get it.
The approach you want to take (going all out to stop the virus but not worry about anything else), will cause more problems than this virus could dream to cause. It will ease one problem and intensify a further 10.
There's not just the problem with people feeding their kids, who the hell will pay the taxes to keep the NHS running if no one works?
Civilization is constantly evolving. The world now is nothing like it was 50 years ago. The world is full of randomness and as humans we react and adapt. Always happened. This virus may spurn more rapid change in a particular direction and the world will never be the same way again, but that would be true without this pandemic. The world was always going to be unrecognisable in 50 years, regardless of whether this pandemic happened or not.
Yeah, there's nothing that indicates that a cure is unlikely to be developed.
I hate this government man but what keeps me optimistic is this...... without us, they don't get their money. That is all that drives them. To get their money, they need the economy. The economy doesn't exist if we're in lockdown. So they will release it ASAP. Martial law = no economy = no money for them. But yeah it's scary how easily manipulated people can be. Scared people are easy to control, and a lot of people are incredibly scared at present. Rightly so but there's a five line between concern and hysteria and something like this reveals just how 'on the edge' a lot of people are mentally.
A lot of schools of course remain open for key workers children etc
It may be that we see some increase in the children they take over the coming weeks?
I mean they could open in a month's time and remain open over the normal summer holidays and catch up all the academic learning for pupils potentially which would be good I think
I thought we just had to put our grown up pants on?
Nah it definitely won't happen now, Rishi Sunak's presence alone would see to that if the unthinkable was being considered.
But ultimately a high number of this public are a dream for some Kim Jong-Un wannabe, all it will take is one complete wrongun getting into power.
Fair point and obviously a high viral load means that your body is not fighting the virus efficiently and it may last longer.
However, viral load isn't necessarily a direct indicator of symptoms as it is the body causing the symptoms not the virus. Fever is a good example - that is your body deliberately raising your temperature to fight the virus, so somebody with a fever may have a low viral load and their body has responded as it should. The same can happen in reverse if your body doesn't notice the threat as it should.
Are the moderators following this thread at all? No problems at all with what is being posted?
We went into lockdown with a handful of cases.
Open backup and the cases will surge.
Where will the country and the economy be when its is fully exposed to this virus?
Yeah, I keep reading schools are closed, but many are not as you say. They are open for children of key workers but also those vulnerable because of their needs or their families, which in some areas amounts to a substantial number.
Apparently 596 new deaths?
There isn't too much wrong at the minute, a few are having a bit of a discussion on different sides of the outcome and lockdown, it's not personal attacks, and it's not misinformation?
That looks brilliant till you remember it's Sunday.
Is there anything to be said for just going on Twitter and doing a little more arguing about the sustainability of people not paying for journalism, albeit under the guise of discussing Covid? I feel like we’re close to solving this one.
This is my biggest problem with the UK's response. You are not in lockdown. People are still allowed out pretty much as and when they please, and it's barely being enforced. That's very different to what has been going on in other countries and it seems to be giving everybody a false sense of security.
Viral load also relates to the time it takes for the virus to reach a specific level in your blood. Unless you know that both of you took in the exact same quantity there's no way to know that you weren't exposed to a much higher initial dose and therefore the virus propogated in your bloodstream faster. Some indications suggest this is what is happening to nurses and why a lot are getting very sick.
If this was a less serious topic and here wasn't a highly busy forum I'd question if one of them was doing it themselves to spice things up.
Happened on a forum I use to visit, a mod got caught out creating a ridiculous soc account to try and boost activity, was working for months until he accidently posted a comment meant to be by the WUM from his own account.
Thats my worry. Folks arent running out to shops thats open now due to better knowledge of social distancing etc so God knows why people think simply opening up more businesses will get the public flowing to them. The only reason why Boris will open them back up is to see them fail in the reality of the new climate so they cant claim as much as they do now. The lockdown is saving a lot of wages that the workers dont know is gone yet
Social distancing will kill a lot of jobs on its own
Yes, thats why the paper is worrying. It backs up previous studies indicating asymptomatic people will spread this, perhaps just as well as the really sick since viral loads are equivalent.
I just had a quick look and this appears to be specific to each virus and likely patient population.
This was Berlin on Wednesday:
Similar scenes in my city yesterday. The parks were full of people picknicking, drinking and enjoying themselves.
Not saying that is right either but it's obvious the situation is very far from "civilsation ending" or "collapsing into anarchy". Such rhetoric does not really help anyone and the one think I give at least the German government credit for (regardless of what I think about each individual measure) is using adequate language that doesn't downplay the threat this thing poses while at the same time outlining a way out of this. You cannot talk about building a new society when this one seems to be coping alright under the circumstances and the shops are reopening tomorrow.
I'm a Singaporean. I have no idea why you doubt the statistics. It's not making us look good at all. Anyway, what I was trying to say is that the virus spreading like wild fire smoking among the foreign workers living in dormitories show that temperature isn't as big a factor, and that goes that the virus will go away automatically in the summer is quite misplaced.
5,850 is the most cases we've had in a day since April 5th, and the second most overall. We've managed to almost double testing since then but still...that's a bit shit.
300 less deaths than yesterday. This usually happens though ona weekend doesn't it, we'll probably have lower numbers reported again tomorrow then a climb on Tues-Thurs. Our peak last week was lower than the peak the previous week so I'd hope to see the same again this week.