SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I listening, what were you saying?
Not you, the people I've been talking too. Some of the brightest guys I know don't agree with me. If they did, it would be easy to pass up word to the government.

If they don't agree with me, then I can only imagine the higer-ups don't either, which means that if I am right, wrong policy choices are being taken.
 
The only other alternative explanation is that I have undiagnosed bipolar disease and am going through mania.
 
The only other alternative explanation is that I have undiagnosed bipolar disease and am going through mania.
Now I am really getting scared. And it's not because of the virus.
 
I feel like those crazy scientists in the beggining movies like Armageddon that no one listens to.
I was literally just saying to a mate that this will one day be made into a movie and around now is the part where a scientist in a lab coat some place somewhere is looking out the window dramatically saying "look..look at these ordinary people going about their lives.. they have no idea what's about to happen."

Ah we're probably fine though.
 
@Arruda you make a valid point but I still don't think its reached a point where need to panic. Or where you feel like you're a mad scientist.

I mean, I argued vociferously earlier that we needed a lockdown asap and I felt the same to be honest.
 
It's what the public are interested in. If we wanted to hear about canoes, the media would be loving that instead.

Whilst I do think the media are milking this - you, and billions others, seem to have a very relaxed view on a situation where a country of 1 billion completely shutdown for a few weeks.
 
@Arruda you make a valid point but I still don't think its reached a point where need to panic. Or where you feel like you're a mad scientist.

I mean, I argued vociferously earlier that we needed a lockdown asap and I felt the same to be honest.

I am not panicking exactly. Heck, I still go out to get drunk everyday.

I'm just excruciatingly mad about the foolishness around me and that avoidable deaths will occur from that.
 
Christ i know the Tories are more than happy for poor people to die but i didn't expect Johnson to argue there's a case to just take it on the chin and let this spread. The people actually impacted by this are his voter base after all.

Right out of the anti-terrorism playbook.

It's like their biggest concern is avoiding panic rather than the health of their citizens.
 
Some studies mentioning that the virus could potentially attach itself to surfaces for as long as 9 days. Some say 72 hours. WHO say just 2 hours. There's still a lot of unknown.

Not 'unknown' as in no-one-has-a-clue-this-is-what-A-claims-and-this-is-what-B-claims. Time dependent on temperature, surface material, humidity, light and certain other factors. So far observed to survive between two hours and nine days depending on those many factors.
 
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So I've just been sent home, working remotely for the rest of the week at least.

One of the two from the supplier who I had to host the last couple of days from Slovakia has fallen sick the last 24 hours and is now being tested for the virus. Myself and anyone who was involved in any direct meetings etc. in my workplace has been ordered to work from home until results are out.

Best case scenario, I get to WFH a bit and he tests negative.
 
There is a zero chance Sanders loses the elections if he survives the primaries.

I'd actually say there is a zero chance he loses the primaries if he's in play for a few more weeks. Which he is, isn't?
 
Well Boris did say we could "take it on the chin".

I think Boris is a bit plonker but even saying we could take it on the chin is just more less saying we'll deal with whatever is to come. However, Trump is saying that people could go to work with this is completely bizarre. He obviously doesn't grasp how it affects those with comorbidities the worst. He obviously doesn't realise that we have global problem with undiagnosed hypertension etc. Someone should do back of a napkin equation for him and tell him that 1 in 4 Americans suffer from preexisting conditions. That's roughly 80 million Americans. If 80% of those people get infected, which they will if he doesn't change his bizarre stance on this, we're looking at an absolute catastrophe. I'm mean, I'm just some guy off the internet and even I can see the potential disaster and I'm sure everyone else here can, so why in the hell does someone not pull him aside and tell him to wisen the feck up? :wenger:
 
I think Boris is a bit plonker but even saying we could take it on the chin is just more less saying we'll deal with whatever is to come. However, Trump is saying that people could go to work with this is completely bizarre. He obviously doesn't grasp how it affects those with comorbidities the worst. He obviously doesn't realise that we have global problem with undiagnosed hypertension etc. Someone should do back of a napkin equation for him and tell him that 1 in 4 Americans suffer from preexisting conditions. That's roughly 80 million Americans. If 80% of those people get infected, which they will if he doesn't change his bizarre stance on this, we're looking at an absolute catastrophe. I'm mean, I'm just some guy off the internet and even I can see the potential disaster and I'm sure everyone else here can, so why in the hell does someone not pull him aside and tell him to wisen the feck up? :wenger:

I agree. He's a twat and Americans should blame those who elected him. They're twats too.

On another note, where the feck is our 2pm update?
 
I agree. He's a twat and Americans should blame those who elected him. They're twats too.

On another note, where the feck is our 2pm update?

If there's one silver lining to come out of this, is that this crisis will highlight how truly unfit for office this man is.

And what update are you talking of? I just periodically check BBC and Twitter to be honest.
 
My conceptualization takes form.

An analogy:
- Europe is China
- Italy is Wuhan
- London, Madrid, Paris, etc, are just Xanghai, Beijing, Honk Kong

Events almost overlap, about 6 weeks later in Europe than China.

Why wasn't this fecking obvious to everyone from the start? (including me)
We think of Europe as several countries, when epidemiologically it is just one big country. We just missed the forest by focusing on the trees.

My Doomsday scenario: We will be hit a lot harder
- We didn't quarantine Italy (neither they did it there) with nearly the same speed or effectiveness that the Chinese did in Wuhan
- Our other major cities did nothing, even the slightest prevention measures (football games, masses), unlike Beijing, Xanghai, Hong Kong

We're fecked. In a matter of days, not weeks.

Acting way behind the pace of information.

I'm hoping that your analogy falls down when you consider population density. Although I'll admit that I haven't the foggiest how densely populated Wuhan is. You should also consider that for all that the European authorities have been dithering and sitting on their hands, they're still a hell of a lot more prepared than China was, when the epidemic really kicked off there. They must have had months and months of completely uninterrupted spread before they realised what they were dealing with. Plus Chinese people fecking constantly spit all over the place...
 
Whilst I do think the media are milking this - you, and billions others, seem to have a very relaxed view on a situation where a country of 1 billion completely shutdown for a few weeks.
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Weren't you the one criticising China for not doing enough? And now you're saying they completely shut down.
 
I'm hoping that your analogy falls down when you consider population density. Although I'll admit that I haven't the foggiest how densely populated Wuhan is. You should also consider that for all that the European authorities have been dithering and sitting on their hands, they're still a hell of a lot more prepared than China was, when the epidemic really kicked off there. They must have had months and months of completely uninterrupted spread before they realised what they were dealing with. Plus Chinese people fecking constantly spit all over the place...

Italy has 60 million population with country's size being roughly 302,000 square miles.
Hubei has 55 million population with province's size being roughly 186,000 square miles.
 
Our college has challenged us with preparing to shut the whole place down and let the students and staff all work from home. Fortunately we have the infrastructure to do this but most importantly it's good to see that nobody is fecking about here. They can decide at any minute to send us all home and they've said that they won't wait until they get a confirmed case from one of us before they do it, they'll take the recommendations of local authorities.
 
If there's one silver lining to come out of this, is that this crisis will highlight how truly unfit for office this man is.

And what update are you talking of? I just periodically check BBC and Twitter to be honest.

Theres meant to be an update from PHE or some other healthy authority regarding the number of new cases in the UK. So far, all we know is that there have been 3 confirmed cases - 2 in Scotland and 1 in London, I think.
 
Theres meant to be an update from PHE or some other healthy authority regarding the number of new cases in the UK. So far, all we know is that there have been 3 confirmed cases - 2 in Scotland and 1 in London, I think.
That's every Friday isn't it?
 
I'm hoping that your analogy falls down when you consider population density. Although I'll admit that I haven't the foggiest how densely populated Wuhan is. You should also consider that for all that the European authorities have been dithering and sitting on their hands, they're still a hell of a lot more prepared than China was, when the epidemic really kicked off there. They must have had months and months of completely uninterrupted spread before they realised what they were dealing with. Plus Chinese people fecking constantly spit all over the place...

There are a lot of contributing factors that will add up to make it worse and others to make it better, I just estimate the ones that will make it worse here are bigger. Wild guess, I know, hence "doomsday scenario".

Although in relation to the bold part, why would you think this? Unless it was a much less virulent or infectious strain it doesn't make sense given what we know of the virus so far. I remind you that at some point 40% (or was it 60%) of the (hudreds of) infected in South Korea were all from the same religious gathering. A virus like this doesn't just spread slowly and invisibly for months in a dense town in a relatively modern country (which China definitely is).
 
There was an interesting post by a doctor in public health on reddit yesterday which raised a good point. The air quality and smoking rate in China is much higher than average, which has resulted in extremely poor lung health for the general Chinese public. This is likely to have increased their death rate about what the rest of the world would have