There isn't but it's probable that the likelihood will be known soon, and given the behaviour of other diseases immunity could well be found. Your point is valid in the meantime of course, albeit a deflection of my question, I feel. Would you, or I, volunteer to help out in crisis if required? I'm not sure, personally.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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It's maybe not dumb, but rather the arrogance of an idiot.
I understand what you're saying, and in many ways I feel the same...
But at the same time, every power structure does crumble - and because we view it through the lens of our own life-span (as in, 'forever' being the time that we've experienced / will experience in our individual life), added to the fact that the crumbling of huge Power structures / Empires can take a few Generations (or more) to actually happen - it can feel like 'the way things are' will always be the same, even though logically we know such a stance is insane - change is really the only constant.
I personally believe that we're well into the beginning of the current Global Power structures crumbling. Peak oil, climate change, Queen soon to pass away, widespread broken political systems, Pandemics, complete disconnect between Government, Far-Right rise - Brexit etc, spree shootings exponentially rising.
We're collectively (the World's population) like a teenager that's realized that their parents (World Governments) are insane and dangerous - yet, they still have the power to ground us / cut off our pocket money etc.
There will definitely come a time when we 'leave home', and new Power structures that are more aligned with what matters to us are formed. It might not happen in our natural life-spans, sadly, and it will certainly take more falling and crumbling of the current order until it happens. But it will happen.
History tells us, emphatically, that eventually all great power structures fall. And the current ones in place, are all showing great signs of failure and disharmony.
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Seems that's the plan to combat this virus in the US going forward. At this rate United States will become the new epicentre for Covid-19.
Theres a very interesting publication on reddit which shows the effectiveness of "proactive" school closures during the 1918 Flu pandemic.
If we were both immune, that would be a different matter! In that case I'd be happy to do my bit as a general dogsbody, which quite honestly would make more sense for me - I've been out of clinical practice for a long time, but I know how hospitals operate and can wash people and change beds.
I'd just have to turn up and do what someone told me to do! I'd like to think I'd help but I don't know to be honest. I'll hide behind being an old git for now I think.
Ah cheers, comforting and yet scary to read at the same time.
This is why I disagree with the healthcare professionals or CDC who tell people not to bother with masks. It's the unintentional transmission is the issue especially during incubation period.
That would clash with the the belief that he is immortal.
This story is one of a few like this. They are inept. Sigh.
Can you post it? Did it help?
I wonder if this is going to be the point when having such an incompetent leader and governement will come home to roost? Same applies to the UK of course. If ever there was a point where strong leadership is needed this is it. You need someone strong enough to take measures to prevent the spread but also eloquent and confident enough to lead without causing a panic.
China and Korea exhibiting more control - new cases in China isn't growing anymore and Korea has a 0.6% mortality.
Did it help him embark on a school closure programme
Transmission rates by people without symptoms are now thought to be small, and the other reason for that advice is that there are not enough masks. If the whole population buys them there won't be enough for the healthcare workers who really do need them.
Did it help him embark on a school closure programme
Don't test me. I'll have every school closed in the country soon!
It's not so extraordinary really. The only change I've seen is school children being told to stay off school for a month. This doesn't affect them so much as they have all finished their exams and are on holiday in two weeks anyway. The local shopping centre is full of high school girls now during the day and the trains are still full every day. If you hadn't watched the news for a month, you wouldn't even know there was a problem.
Im not infused with sufficient caffeine yet it seems. Did they link the actual paper? I see a table.
He probably thinks there's no way the President of the USA couls be affected by something like that.
Either thay or he's about to shut himself in his room and we'll see nothing from him but tweets for a month.
Did it help decrease mortality? I suspect it did but under very different circumstances. That flu was harder on kids, and of course there were no 747s buzzing around or Utd City derbies.Did it help him embark on a school closure programme
From a review of all these studies...
Of 2579 papers identified through MEDLINE and EMBASE, 65 were eligible for inclusion in the review along with 14 identified from other sources. Influenza incidence frequently declined after school closure. The effect was sometimes reversed when schools reopened, supporting a causal role for school closure in reducing incidence. Any benefits associated with school closure appeared to be greatest among school-aged children. However, as schools often closed late in the outbreak or other interventions were used concurrently, it was sometimes unclear how much school closure contributed to the reductions in incidence.
School closures appear to have the potential to reduce influenza transmission, but the heterogeneity in the data available means that the optimum strategy (eg, the ideal length and timing of closure) remains unclear.
Again, kids aren't at much risk compared to the elderly and immunocompromised etc. I'm all for closing schools so long as other drastic measures are put in place.
Of 2579 papers identified through MEDLINE and EMBASE, 65 were eligible for inclusion in the review along with 14 identified from other sources. Influenza incidence frequently declined after school closure. The effect was sometimes reversed when schools reopened, supporting a causal role for school closure in reducing incidence. Any benefits associated with school closure appeared to be greatest among school-aged children. However, as schools often closed late in the outbreak or other interventions were used concurrently, it was sometimes unclear how much school closure contributed to the reductions in incidence.
School closures appear to have the potential to reduce influenza transmission, but the heterogeneity in the data available means that the optimum strategy (eg, the ideal length and timing of closure) remains unclear.
Again, kids aren't at much risk compared to the elderly and immunocompromised etc. I'm all for closing schools so long as other drastic measures are put in place.
Yeah, its there.
German man was first European to contract and transmit virus - doctors
I read on Vice that coronavirus related porn is starting to pop-up.
Great stuff, was looking for it 4 or 5 days ago and there was nothing. It's so cool how fast things happen these days.
Great stuff, was looking for it 4 or 5 days ago and there was nothing. It's so cool how fast things happen these days.
What is corona virus porn?
"sorry for sneezing on you"
"were in quarantine and there's only one thing we can do"
*porn music plays*
In the UK, we've moved to phase 2 - mainly delay.
Ah, coffee kicked in. Clicking on the table opens the paper. The study is beyond schools. Pretty much what I'm advocating for. The study looked at the impact of school closure; cancellation of public gatherings; and isolation and quarantine.
Nice to know we're actively waiting for it to get worse before taking appropriate action.
Yeah.
School closure and public gathering bans activated concurrently represented the most common combination implemented in 34 cities (79%); this combination had a median duration of 4 weeks (range, 1-10 weeks) and was significantly associated with reductions in weekly EDR. The cities that implemented nonpharmaceutical interventions earlier had greater delays in reaching peak mortality (Spearman r = −0.74, P < .001), lower peak mortality rates (Spearman r = 0.31, P = .02), and lower total mortality (Spearman r = 0.37, P = .008). There was a statistically significant association between increased duration of nonpharmaceutical interventions and a reduced total mortality burden (Spearman r = −0.39, P = .005).
Only the one case in Lagos(one of the most densely populated cities on earth) in almost two weeks. I find it suspicious.
Authorities have also failed to track down the people who have come in close contact with the confirmed case. Furthermore, thousands and Chinese have returned from holidays.
I am currently in Lagos and have been coughing like crazy over the last few days. I don't feel well.
I am scared of seeing my parents before I return to the UK. My father is 77 and although, very fit for his age, I don't want to take chances.
Authorities have also failed to track down the people who have come in close contact with the confirmed case. Furthermore, thousands and Chinese have returned from holidays.
I am currently in Lagos and have been coughing like crazy over the last few days. I don't feel well.
I am scared of seeing my parents before I return to the UK. My father is 77 and although, very fit for his age, I don't want to take chances.
HSBC evacuates its Canary Wharf office.
This is what causes panic.
If the government began small scale closures - that wouldn't indicate panic - we'd be witnessing quick acting solutions.
This is what causes panic.
If the government began small scale closures - that wouldn't indicate panic - we'd be witnessing quick acting solutions.
It's on the 10th floor. We're all a little panicky. I'm quite a few floors above so thankfully don't share the same lifts as those folk. I'm taking my laptop and going home. Feck this shit.
It's probably just flu rather than coronavirus but I hope they fire that guy or girl for coming in and costing the bank thousands on cleaning. How fecking selfish can you get when we're all given clear emails what to do when feeling ill. Stay at fecking home!!
I've never liked shaking hands anyway. When I was young it was regarded as quite old-fashioned and only old people did it, but as is the way with the world it came around again and all the young people started. I'll be happy to see it gone for a while. And as for this pretend cheek kissing don't even get me started, it's bad enough when it's a relative or close friend but it's got to the point where people who are almost strangers do it. Fecking horrible.
While I agree, I think (and hope) the number may end up under 1%. Apparently the early numbers skewed high because the only people being tested at the time were the ones having major effects from the illness which greatly skews the fatality rates.
Masks are for secondary level contacts.
You isolate the source and their 1st level contacts. The next level down, secondary contacts, you have them wear masks and manage them with temp readings several times a day.
The other problem is that there is a 14+ days incubation period before any symptoms show up. You could also be sneezing, coughing everywhere without realising that you have the virus -- after all, 83% of carriers will only exhibit mild symptoms. The masks are for unintentional transmissions onto the elderly and the chronics.
This is the self-responsibility that needs to be encouraged; and a component of the communication and education programme that the Gov't needs to do.
The other strategy is to track, map and isolate the sources and their contacts. Develop linkages and then map it out, contact those on the map, and home isolate them. Medic Trace contact teams together with police will be the key drivers.