SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

The World's Governments have failed in the single most important moment for them (or more accurately us).

Trump, Boris, Brexit, rise of the Far-Right throughout all Europe, Ecological crisis - and now this.

We're living through the collapse of it all.

And new power structures need to be formed that are actually in alignment with modern reality and what actually matters to real people imo.

There's no way things go on like this for another 50 years. Changes need to happen, it's so obvious.
 
If there's one thing I've learned from all this on a personal level is how incredibly difficult it is to go through a regular work day without touching my face and any surfaces that have been touched by tens of people.
 
ArmandTamzarian said:
If there's one thing I've learned from all this on a personal level is how incredibly difficult it is to go through a regular work day without touching my face and any surfaces that have been touched by tens of people.
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found this incredibly easy that’s what having crap skin in your youth teaches you don’t touch ya face
 
Rhyme Animal said:
The World's Governments have failed in the single most important moment for them (or more accurately us).

Trump, Boris, Brexit, rise of the Far-Right throughout all Europe, Ecological crisis - and now this.

We're living through the collapse of it all.

And new power structures need to be formed that are actually in alignment with modern reality and what actually matters to real people imo.

There's no way things go on like this for another 50 years. Changes need to happen, it's so obvious.
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If we elect these arseholes who quite openly and obviously do not give two craps about other people then is it really the Governments that are to blame?
 
Simbo said:
If we elect these arseholes who quite openly and obviously do not give two craps about other people then is it really the Governments that are to blame?
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Most people/politicians don't care too much about other people, they all have their own agenda and self interests. I hate to break it to you, but that is how it is. Most are completely incompetent to begin with, no matter who you vote for. Some are better than others and follow more important subjective topics, but they feck up sooner or later as a whole
 
@africanspur @Avatar you know anything about the situation in Egypt? Starting to see it mentioned more and more as a possible bad spot, despite official government denials.
 
Smores said:
By this logic it shouldn't circulate in office environments kept at say 20c?

I've yet to see anyone credible state that spring will help. I've seen officials say they don't know and it's too uncertain to say. MERS and SARS for instance weren't that impacted by the seasons.
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SARS was, MERS wasnt. Could go either way with this one although there hasnt been much in any hot countries yet (that are actually hot at this time of year).
 
11101 said:
SARS was, MERS wasnt. Could go either way with this one although there hasnt been much in any hot countries yet (that are actually hot at this time of year).
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Surely Iran is currently as hot if not hotter than most of the UK throughout spring and most of summer? Outside of our occasional heatwaves which to be fair are now routine

California might quickly disprove this theory.
 
Smores said:
Surely Iran is currently as hot if not hotter than most of the UK throughout spring and most of summer? Outside of our occasional heatwaves which to be fair are now routine

California might quickly disprove this theory.
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Depends which part of Iran, which is huge. Gulf coast will be starting to heat up now, but temperatures will still be cool throughout much of the country. Winters there can be quite bitter, with blizzards and lots of rain.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
The World's Governments have failed in the single most important moment for them (or more accurately us).

Trump, Boris, Brexit, rise of the Far-Right throughout all Europe, Ecological crisis - and now this.

We're living through the collapse of it all.

And new power structures need to be formed that are actually in alignment with modern reality and what actually matters to real people imo.

There's no way things go on like this for another 50 years. Changes need to happen, it's so obvious.
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So what changes would you like to see.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
Yeah, the proportion of hospitalised seems a lot higher than I thought too.
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Yeah not sure what to make of that, Italy has one of eldest populations in the world. So the figures might skewed by that based on the elderly fairing much worse than other groups.
 
horsechoker said:
591 new cases in Italy if I did the maths right.

https://lab.gedidigital.it/gedi-vis...alia/?ref=RHPPTP-BL-I250147512-C12-P3-S1.12-L

There appears to be 500 new cases everyday now. It's worrying because it's unclear how much the health services can take.
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587, but thats not of concern. The government has all but admitted the containment measures haven't worked, so it gives us some idea of what is required to keep it under control (being welded inside your house). Simply blocking off hotspots doesn't work.


Ekkie Thump said:
Yeah, the proportion of hospitalised seems a lot higher than I thought too.
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It's a little over 50% need hospitalisation, although only 10% are in intensive care. Italy's problem is as already said a lot of old people, but they are also old people who go out a lot and like to socialise. Plus, Italians in general are very relaxed about the whole thing compared to friends in Hong Kong and China. They don't take the precautions too seriously.
 
11101 said:
587, but thats not of concern. The government has all but admitted the containment measures haven't worked, so it gives us some idea of what is required to keep it under control (being welded inside your house). Simply blocking off hotspots doesn't work.
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Italy is going further with containment measures. I think it depends on people abiding by recommended separation guidelines.

 
horsechoker said:
Italy is going further with containment measures. I think it depends on people abiding by recommended separation guidelines.

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This only really works if people stay at home watching it. If they huddle together in pubs etc. you're probably no better off.
 
Singapore and Hong Kong have done good jobs at mitigating spread. China also has done an extraordinary job at attempting to mitigate spread. The speed with which China acted was remarkable. The virus began there and thus China was at a severe disadvantage in terms of being able to mitigate spread. But it has acted swiftly to minimize onward transmission by going to extraordinary lengths such as quarantining whole cities. The world may have to make similar decisions to limit spread.


-Michael Mina, MD, PhD
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Impressive from China.
 
horsechoker said:
Italy is going further with containment measures. I think it depends on people abiding by recommended separation guidelines.

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They also screwed up by not responding quickly enough. There are regions outside of the quarantine zones that are now far worse, but people are still allowed to move around freely from them.
 
Do we know how long the virus stays in the system after recovery? How long people carry it for and can transmit after they have overcome the actual illness phase?
 
Pexbo said:
Do we know how long the virus stays in the system after recovery? How long people carry it for and can transmit after they have overcome the actual illness phase?
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Some doctor/biologist is probably better placed to answer this, but for some reason I always thought the actual 'illness' or symptoms was actually just the body's defences fighting the disease/virus. So technically once those symptoms go, it means the immune system has re-set back to normal and the pathogen has been expelled.
 
Buster15 said:
So what changes would you like to see.
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Governments will need to change, and soon. Without doubt.

If you've ever read about Empires / Super-Powers crumbling, you'd be well aware that there are now numerous signs that realistically we're entering into such a period.

Actually caring about their public and putting that at least near the top of priority - re-prioritizing Health care is a must

Transparency as the social media era moves faster than Governmental campaigns can

Environmental issues need to overtake old economic systems

That's just my opinion.

What changes would you like to see, if any?
 
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Pexbo said:
Do we know how long the virus stays in the system after recovery? How long people carry it for and can transmit after they have overcome the actual illness phase?
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I don't think there is certainty but it has been found that people who have recovered do still have the virus. That said this may even strengthen the immune response apparently and I don't think we have any evidence that are carriers in the sense that they recover and then carry the virus long term infecting others without becoming symptomatic again.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-spread-after-recovery.html

All complicated by the different way the immune system deals with viruses vs bacteria and because viruses tend to "hide" inside cells making them harder for the immune system to detect and attack.

https://www.immunology.org/public-i...thogens-and-disease/immune-responses-bacteria
https://www.immunology.org/public-i...athogens-and-disease/immune-responses-viruses

People do carry viral diseases which can be spread when the carrier has no symptoms so it is possible in this case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymptomatic_carrier

And as this is a virus reinfection is also possible and has already been seen in at least one case.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wuhan-coronavirus-risk-of-reinfection-2020-2?r=US&IR=T
 
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I'm looking for an important piece of data for an infography I am preparing, but am having trouble finding it online.

On which day was the first case in the UK diagnosed?

If anyone knows I appreciate it. I'll keep looking for it myself, I thought it would be easier... with everything happening so fast something which was all over the news a few days ago gets lost in google so quickly.
 
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Wibble said:
I don't think there is certainty but it has been found that people who have recovered do still have the virus. That said this may even strengthen the immune response apparently and I don't think we have any evidence that are carriers in the sense that they recover and then carry the virus long term infecting others without becoming symptomatic again.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-spread-after-recovery.html

All complicated by the different way the immune system deals with viruses vs bacteria and because viruses tend to "hide" inside cells making them harder for the immune system to detect and attack.

https://www.immunology.org/public-i...thogens-and-disease/immune-responses-bacteria
https://www.immunology.org/public-i...athogens-and-disease/immune-responses-viruses

People do carry viral diseases which can be spread when the carrier has no symptoms so it is possible in this case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymptomatic_carrier

And as this is a virus reinfection is also possible and has already been seen in at least one case.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wuhan-coronavirus-risk-of-reinfection-2020-2?r=US&IR=T
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It is not clear if that is really the case, or they were just false negatives (essentially tested negative/fully recuperated, but had still the virus inside them). But it is very troubling if it can come back.
 
Arruda said:
I'm looking for an important piece of data for an infography I am preparing, but am having trouble finding it online.

On which day was the first case in the UK diagnosed?

If anyone knows I appreciate it. I'll keep looking for it myself, I thought it would be easier... with everything happening so fast something which was all over the news a few days ago gets lost in google so quickly.
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Yeah @VorZakone seems right - https://news.sky.com/story/first-two-cases-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-uk-11922375
 
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