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The tens of thousands of dead older folk might disagree.Preach!
The young have been well and truly shafted this crisis.
The tens of thousands of dead older folk might disagree.Preach!
The young have been well and truly shafted this crisis.
Yup, from everything I've read - the entire point of lockdown is to get us back to the start of this fight. The lockdown is just giving you an opportunity to catch up on your testing capacity, improve your contact tracing & also workout what are the biggest bang for your buck social distancing measures.
I genuinely, you need to be able to test somewhere between 1-2% of your population per week to pull this off - possibly more if you've let it spread more severely. You're going to need systematic testing in work environments/schools & put measures in place to test people who use public transport.
Too bad Boris doesn't have crazy fan following that some leaders in the world have. Else it would have been called resurrection
Isn't 50% the goal, then the decline starts ?
Does a single person here think we (the UK) will be able to effectively do these measures?
Hope I'm proven wrong but it's not seeming likely.
The tens of thousands of dead older folk might disagree.
I didn't even get into blame my objections were to the gaslighting and dishonest rhetoric of the government. They're so focused on avoiding blaming that they're spinning that there's no issue at all.
The lack of PPE under these circumstances isn't unprecedented though. We spent money and effort in assessing preparedness for these events in 2016 and identified it as a risk, what mitigations were formed?
We knew about this in January and have we sufficiently ramped up plans for the manufacturing industry to produce PPE? Considering the health secretary only started making public calls for it towards the end of March and manufactures were being turned down with equipment sold offshore instead then I'm going to say not.
Isn't that a bit flippant? The 2008 recession hit harder and longer than any of the crises post-WWII in most of the world, and the initial signs suggest this crisis will have hit harder and quicker than anything in your lifetime. It might bounce back equally quickly, all we have are projections now, but what we know already sets this apart as something distinctive.
What was their impact in comparison to the 2008 financial crisis? Tbf I could just go and look it up, but I assume they weren’t as deep and long
Actually meant once in a generation rather than a lifetime.
Though when was the last time two entirely separate global economic crises of this sort of scale occured within a 10-15 year period of each other?
They’d do well to watch how Sturgeon approaches her briefings and question answering.
I haven't read any analysis, but my hope has been that the nature of this recession will lend itself to a much quicker and different kind of recovery.Isn't that a bit flippant? The 2008 recession hit harder and longer than any of the crises post-WWII in most of the world, and the initial signs suggest this crisis will have hit harder and quicker than anything in your lifetime. It might bounce back equally quickly, all we have are projections now, but what we know already sets this apart as something distinctive.
Fair enough. Being early thirties, I tend to think of there only being one major financial crisis of my lifetime (with this potentially being number 2)Generally speaking the consensus is that the recovery for Black Monday and the Dot Com Bubble were fairly close in duration and only about six months shorter than the 2008 crash. That being said the bad times weren't as long but took almost as long to recover from.
Preach!
The young have been well and truly shafted this crisis.
Who genuinely thought this would happen within the next 25 years other than the likes of Bill Gates and a few conspiracy theorists?
Indeed- that's what I was saying.They aren't mutually exclusive are they?
The elderly are vulnerable to succumbing to the virus.
The young are more vulnerable to the catastrophic economic consequences.
They haven't as they're mostly not the ones who are actually, you know, dying from this.
Everyone is getting screwed, business owners who have put in decades of work, will end up with nothing. Zero hour contract workers with families to feed could have no money to buy food almost immediately. Part time workers, cleaners, plumbers, decorators, restaurant owners and all the support staff etc. all with an immediate halt to their income. Anything where you have to be physically present is in trouble.
The majority of the age range you're referring to, will be lucky enough to be living from a family home and forge a career in a world where this is a known quantity. Some are unable to retrain, unable to change
We'll all have to pay for it though, my 3 year old will probably end up paying towards it until retirement, which is terrifying.
No one is lucky here, but everyone is getting screwed by this virus no matter your age, some with far harsher consequences than others.
Fair enough. Being early thirties, I tend to think of there only being one major financial crisis of my lifetime (with this potentially being number 2)
Absolutely, the economy has been obliterated and they young will have to live with that longer than the old.
The young are going to be unlucky enough not to have secure job or their own home and we will be paying extortionate rents for the rest of our lives because of the decisions the government have taken.
Well, of course the young will have to live with it longer than the old. That's the nature of young and old.
Which age range has a secure job now? Rent was extortionate before this, nothing has changed there.
There have been lots of conversations in here about government delays, Sweden, South Korea, Germany and the like about what could and should have been done, but literally no one knows what the best course of action is, no one knows about reinfection rates, vaccines and immunity.
Everyone is getting a buttfecking here, let's not say it's easy on the oldies as they're not going to be around long enough to pay for it, when there's a bucket load of old people homes (and those at home alone) infected and will likely die because of it.
(I have no skin in the game with the over 70s)
I guess all I'm trying to emphasise here is that the younger of us, will have time to adapt, they'll have higher tax most likely, but tax has always been a bitch (boomers got mightily fecked on interest rates 30 odd years ago)
Does it skew with your mind?The stats in me cringes at the mention of "nice normal distributions"
All I can say to that is if the government had spent a fortune on PPE back on 2016 I can imagine the headlines if it had all gone out of date and thrown away whilst millions had been spent. Let’s not act like this should have been well planned for years ago. Who genuinely thought this would happen within the next 25 years other than the likes of Bill Gates and a few conspiracy theorists?
And as for preparing in January I suppose more could have been done at that time but I didn’t see much done by the rest of Europe. I guess they were naive to believe this wouldn’t have impacted Europe as much as it has.
How about everyone?
https://www.who.int/influenza/preparedness/en/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...id-chiefs-warning-global-flu-pandemic-threat/
or more specific to the UK:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pandemic-influenza-response-plan
I don't understand this desire to let the people who could potentially have been responsible for hundreds to thousands of deaths off without any kind of scrutiny.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article
So, according to a new research, Wuhan's R0 was not 3, but rather 5.7
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article
So, according to a new research, Wuhan's R0 was not 3, but rather 5.7
Does it skew with your mind?
The tens of thousands of dead older folk might disagree.
Bush Jnr and Obama both made speeches about being prepared for a global pandemic.Who genuinely thought this would happen within the next 25 years other than the likes of Bill Gates and a few conspiracy theorists?
Sucks for themSucks for them, but the millennials as a generation will suffer the aftereffects of this the most.
Bush Jnr and Obama both made speeches about being prepared for a global pandemic.
Likewise exercise cygnus and project 201 were also very recent simulations for an unprecedented pandemic.
No conspiracy theorists in any of that.
Today’s Trump press conference was next level batshit crazy delusion!!And Trump did disband the pandemic response team even if a few employees were retained in other divisions if the department. But the only false news is Republicans claiming that is wasn't disbanded, just streamlined. O bullshit as those of us on planet earth call it.
Sucks for them
I think perhaps looking after everyone as best we can might be the best idea.
And the best way to get everyone's lives back on track is suppressing the spread of this virus until we have treatments and a vaccine. That might allow for a gradual lessening of restrictions but exactly what that will look like is hard to know at this stage.