SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[One Night Only]

The problem there is, what happens when the rules are relaxed and people start going back to work and school etc, then the infections rise again, sharper this time. Obviously it'll be lockdown again or just ride it out. Either way, you're either going to cripple the economy or cripple the NHS. So what do we do? Let everyone out, go the herd immunity route, face a massive influx of patients into hospitals, struggle and crumble under the strain, leading to maybe hundreds of thousands of deaths, lots of people sick and off work? It's a tough choice, and the economy is going to suffer either way.

Well key workers are still having to goto work, people can still work from home too (this could be massive for the future tbh, working from home). Also it's shown a lot of the "vital" jobs in workplaces aren't even vital. Managers in meetings all day, no meetings now and nothing is different.

The things companies are doing to help can still be done at other places too I'd think, you're obviously going to struggle at bars, and clubs.

Restaurants might be able to do something with table space, just means less customers per sitting?

Cinemas usually not even full anyway, can have 2 seats between groups, and a row or 2 between also?

Drive in cinemas should make a comeback.

There's also going to be a ton of jobs where social distancing is going to be near impossible.

It's a hard thing to juggle, but we are going to have to at some point with a vaccine being so far away.

 

[Member 90887]

Marcon just said that french people are gonna have to stay at home for 4 more weeks.

France is gonna stay locked down till the 11th of may.

 

[Jippy]

Because no-one is asking any serious questions anyway.

I stopped watching these briefings. Unless things have changed in the past few days the papers have been like they are owned by Boris and his ministers.

I've watched the last two briefings -the first I've seen in yonks. The questions were decent tbf...the answers less so. Raab took a visible intake of breath when asked about Patel's non-apology (then ignored the question in his answer) and someone asked Vallance about his 'all going to plan' comment, querying if potentially the highest death toll in Europe was 'part of that plan'.

 

[BluesJr]

I've watched the last two briefings -the first I've seen in yonks. The questions were decent tbf...the answers less so. Raab took a visible intake of breath when asked about Patel's non-apology (then ignored the question in his answer) and someone asked Vallance about his 'all going to plan' comment, querying if potentially the highest death toll in Europe was 'part of that plan'.

They’d do well to watch how Sturgeon approaches her briefings and question answering.

 

[Jippy]

Thing is, you can still keep to social distancing if this happens, and it's totally upto you. Shopping would be difficult, but I think shops could still enforce it as they have been, but other than that, it's your choice to goto a pub, it's your choice to goto the park, it's your choice to do whatever.

The struggle will be for those who are working and can't socially distance, however I think companies will try their hardest to social distance in the work place for a good while yet.

Personally I'd probably take a risk of going golfing, but would stay away from the pubs and restaurants for a good while. Probably wouldn't have people round the house either for a while.

What about the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, who rely on public transport to get to work?
There are also loads of jobs for which social distancing won't work.

 

[One Night Only]

What about the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, who rely on public transport to get to work?
There are also loads of jobs for which social distancing won't work.

I think I brushed on that in my next post?

The rest of the world cant stop because some people rely on public transport? Those that do may need to consider other options? Hopefully work from home, work at a different location? Maybe the London tolls should be scrapped for now?

What do you suggest? Everyone just stays home forever?

 

[JPRouve]

I think I brushed on that in my next post?

The rest of the world cant stop because some people rely on public transport? Those that do may need to consider other options? Hopefully work from home, work at a different location? Maybe the London tolls should be scrapped for now?

What do you suggest? Everyone just stays home forever?

I could be wrong but these "some" represents the majority?

 

[One Night Only]

I could be wrong but these "some" represents the majority?

Maybe, I'd think the majority then, such as London, Manchester the other big cities, some of these jobs could actually be done from home? Or other offices / locations maybe?

We can't just say "don't go back to work" full stop, that's ridiculous, we have to try and figure how to get the country back to semi functioning work, while still having a decent attempt at social distancing.

For example, my town, we are basically the grunts of the country, power plants, food factories, steel production and the like. Public transport is mainly used by old people / kids. Obviously others uses it, but I'd say the majority are those. I could see my town managing to go back to work with a decent effort at social distancing.

Atleast then that's less people on furlough, means the countries funds are slightly better, and back to more people paying the tax to extend the furlough for all Ionger for those that need it?

I could just be being completely thick mind, maybe I am just not adjusting well and want the normality back, but it's unrealistic for a total lockdown for too long.

 

[Pagh Wraith]

Wanna have a fight in times of social distancing? Use wood laths!

 

[sullydnl]

What we will likely see is some measures continuing indefinitely while others are eventually eased. You'd expect different countries to have different approaches in terms of when they ease different measures, though you'd imagine all countries will prioritise removing the restrictions that cause the most societal & economic pain.

The key point seems to be what's raised in that German tweet, which is the organisation and supplies that will need to be in place for lifting lockdown to be successful. Countries like the UK & Ireland will really need to have heavily ramped up their testing & contact tracing programs before exiting lockdown becomes a possibility.

It's also hard to imagine that sporting events will be anywhere near the top of the list when it comes to what's allowed.

 

[Jippy]

I think I brushed on that in my next post?

The rest of the world cant stop because some people rely on public transport? Those that do may need to consider other options? Hopefully work from home, work at a different location? Maybe the London tolls should be scrapped for now?

What do you suggest? Everyone just stays home forever?

I posted before I saw your second post on this.

No idea how you tackle this in a major city where the majority use public transport - up to 5 million passenger journeys on the tube a day.

Agree we can't stay home forever, but without a vaccine feck knows how we avoid second, third and so on waves of this.

 

[SteveJ]

Bless him and bless all those ho died with Covid19, many of them have worked hard all their lives contributed to the country rather than growing dependent on will faire .

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Let's all take a moment to bless all the ho's who died of COVID-19. They're truly doing God's work in these dark times.

Let's also say a little prayer for Will Faire, who seems unfairly maligned on Twitter.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

My generation is absolutely fecked. People who graduated in 2006-2009 in the middle of the great recession somehow built a career out of scraps, jumping jobs, learning new skills just to stay on the treadmill. Now just as these people are beginning to get out of student loan debt, looking to buy a house or start a family, a second and possibly deeper recession hits. What's the fecking point in picking up the pieces anymore? Life is terribly deflating.

 

[Carolina Red]

My generation is absolutely fecked. People who graduated in 2006-2009 in the middle of the great recession somehow built a career out of scraps, jumping jobs, learning new skills just to stay on the treadmill. Now just as these people are beginning to get out of student loan debt, looking to buy a house or start a family, a second and possibly deeper recession hits. What's the fecking point in picking up the pieces anymore? Life is terribly deflating.

Preach bro. HS Class of 2007 and “uni” Class of 2010 here.

It’s been nothing but rays of sunshine.

 

[Carolina Red]

#winning

 

[Dumbstar]

Sorry Dumbstar, it's not in the news. I happened to see the report on the HCQ, and also got the info on the trials from the inside.
It's just a trial as obviously nothing is open yet but in Asia and in India the front line staff or at least some are taking it in low dosage to protect them.

This is what happens.

In February, a research group led by virologist Manli Wang of the Chinese Academy of Sciences found that chloroquine successfully stopped the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in cultured human cells. Preliminary reports from China, South Korea and France suggest that the treatment is at least somewhat effective in treating human patients, and some hospitals in the U.S. have begun administering the drug. In addition, the FDA is organizing a large clinical trial to formally assess the drug's effects.

Why are we not exploring plasma treatment with the same gusto? E.g.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/pakistan-awaits-clinical-trials-for-covid-19-treatment/1802977

 

[Prometheus]

I've watched the last two briefings -the first I've seen in yonks. The questions were decent tbf...the answers less so. Raab took a visible intake of breath when asked about Patel's non-apology (then ignored the question in his answer) and someone asked Vallance about his 'all going to plan' comment, querying if potentially the highest death toll in Europe was 'part of that plan'.

Thanks. I may rewatch the highlights then.

 

[Jippy]

Thanks. I may rewatch the highlights then.

Yeah I was pleasantly surprised by the questions, if not the answers. Was half-expecting shite ones about Boris's recovery etc...

 

[sullydnl]

My generation is absolutely fecked. People who graduated in 2006-2009 in the middle of the great recession somehow built a career out of scraps, jumping jobs, learning new skills just to stay on the treadmill. Now just as these people are beginning to get out of student loan debt, looking to buy a house or start a family, a second and possibly deeper recession hits. What's the fecking point in picking up the pieces anymore? Life is terribly deflating.

Yep. Two "once in a generation" economic crises in the space of twelve years. Lucky us.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Yep. Two "once in a lifetime" economic crises in the space of twelve years. Lucky us.

You were lied to. These things happen every decade or so.

 

[sullydnl]

You were lied to. These things happen every decade or so.

Actually meant once in a generation rather than a lifetime.

Though when was the last time two entirely separate global economic crises of this sort of scale occured within a 10-15 year period of each other?

 

[Drifter]

Oh dear.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Actually meant once in a generation rather than a lifetime.

Though when was the last time two entirely separate global economic crises of this sort of scale occured within a 10-15 year period of each other?

Black Monday (1987) and the Dot Com Bubble Burst (1999) were 12 years apart.

 

[Rado_N]

Oh dear.

You just have to laugh.

 

[sullydnl]

Is this a new story about the PPE? Could've sworn we already knew that earlier in the week.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Video called my dad and his wife in Australia and had to politely end the call quickly before I exploded. They're apparently going to pop down to the beach even though it's closed because she "can't walk near our house as the hills are too steep" and they've had family over for coffee but it's ok because they were six feet apart on the veranda, none of them have colds, all the usual bullshit. I told them that just because the curve is going down doesn't mean it can't come back to hit them in the arse so stay indoors and stop having people over, but it fell on deaf ears because apparently their health service is a million times better than ours.

My dad has fecking Parkinson's and he's in his seventies ffs. Told them "don't have anyone over, make the smart choices and stay safe" and ended the call.

 

[sullydnl]

Black Monday (1987) and the Dot Com Bubble Burst (1999) were 12 years apart.

Well there you are, shows what I know.

 

[Foxbatt]

Why are we not exploring plasma treatment with the same gusto? E.g.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/pakistan-awaits-clinical-trials-for-covid-19-treatment/1802977

They are but the problem with it is the numbers. With what is going on in Korea( it could be bad testing) but with some who had shown negative now showing positive is the confusion on it. So many clinical trials going on now. The Chinese are in phase 2 of a vaccine now. The first phase was done in March. This was to check if it's safe for humans. It's completed already and now the second phase is for the effectiveness.
Let's hope it works.

 

[Brwned]

You were lied to. These things happen every decade or so.

Isn't that a bit flippant? The 2008 recession hit harder and longer than any of the crises post-WWII in most of the world, and the initial signs suggest this crisis will have hit harder and quicker than anything in your lifetime. It might bounce back equally quickly, all we have are projections now, but what we know already sets this apart as something distinctive.

 

[T00lsh3d]

Black Monday (1987) and the Dot Com Bubble Burst (1999) were 12 years apart.

What was their impact in comparison to the 2008 financial crisis? Tbf I could just go and look it up, but I assume they weren’t as deep and long

 

[TheGame]

 

[JMack1234]

My generation is absolutely fecked. People who graduated in 2006-2009 in the middle of the great recession somehow built a career out of scraps, jumping jobs, learning new skills just to stay on the treadmill. Now just as these people are beginning to get out of student loan debt, looking to buy a house or start a family, a second and possibly deeper recession hits. What's the fecking point in picking up the pieces anymore? Life is terribly deflating.

Preach!

The young have been well and truly shafted this crisis.

 

[Charlie Foley]

What was their impact in comparison to the 2008 financial crisis? Tbf I could just go and look it up, but I assume they weren’t as deep and long

That’s what she said

 

[Skills]

What we will likely see is some measures continuing indefinitely while others are eventually eased. You'd expect different countries to have different approaches in terms of when they ease different measures, though you'd imagine all countries will prioritise removing the restrictions that cause the most societal & economic pain.

The key point seems to be what's raised in that German tweet, which is the organisation and supplies that will need to be in place for lifting lockdown to be successful. Countries like the UK & Ireland will really need to have heavily ramped up their testing & contact tracing programs before exiting lockdown becomes a possibility.

It's also hard to imagine that sporting events will be anywhere near the top of the list when it comes to what's allowed.

Yup, from everything I've read - the entire point of lockdown is to get us back to the start of this fight. The lockdown is just giving you an opportunity to catch up on your testing capacity, improve your contact tracing & also workout what are the biggest bang for your buck social distancing measures.

I genuinely, you need to be able to test somewhere between 1-2% of your population per week to pull this off - possibly more if you've let it spread more severely. You're going to need systematic testing in work environments/schools & put measures in place to test people who use public transport.

 

[One Night Only]

I posted before I saw your second post on this.

No idea how you tackle this in a major city where the majority use public transport - up to 5 million passenger journeys on the tube a day.

Agree we can't stay home forever, but without a vaccine feck knows how we avoid second, third and so on waves of this.

I'm not from London, only been once, but I'd expect a fair portion of tube traffic is tourists / shoppers / day trippers. Still I'd reckon a mammoth amount would be workers still.

It's the major cities which will be the problem coming out of lockdown for sure. It's going to be interesting to see how they eventually cross that bridge when they come to it.

 

[Raoul]

 

[adexkola]

Let's all take a moment to bless all the ho's who died of COVID-19. They're truly doing God's work in these dark times.

Let's also say a little prayer for Will Faire, who seems unfairly maligned on Twitter.

What a shame.

Any pictures?

 

[T00lsh3d]

That’s what she said

Ah, if you’re asking her, she’ll tell you it’ll be over in no time and we’ll be back in the pub in time for last orders

 

[One Night Only]

Just a weird one here but, my company gave away our PPE to somewhere, cant remember where but it wasn't a hospital. Then guess who ended up not having the PPE to do our jobs? good intentions but a bit short sighted.