Better than another front-page about Boris.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Better than another front-page about Boris.
Many people may already have immunity to coronavirus, German study finds!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ready-have-immunity-coronavirus-german-study/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ready-have-immunity-coronavirus-german-study/
Exactly that, unfortunately. Option B is for the entire planet to collapse and many more people to lose their lives through various fallouts of that, than would have died from the pandemic itself.
We know what they'd do. They'll take away their broadcasting rights. Boris said as much when they dared to make fun of him during the election, remember - it wasn't a conspiracy theory or a rumour, it was published in every major newspaper. Most people conveniently overlooked that because #getBrexitdone was more important.
Hopefully now a lot of people can see the truth. It doesn't have to be something as blatant as Kim Jong to be what it is. We live in a country just as corrupt as many we laugh at.
According to worldometers website
China with a population of nearly 1.5 billion have had 3339 deaths to date and 82000 cases.
USA with a population of about 331 milliion have 18761 deaths and over half a million cases
Its either China are liars of the highest order or USA just didnt take this seriously at all and are now paying the price and Trump doesn't care as long as it democrats that are dying.
I think its somewhere in between.
China with a population of nearly 1.5 billion have had 3339 deaths to date and 82000 cases.
USA with a population of about 331 milliion have 18761 deaths and over half a million cases
Its either China are liars of the highest order or USA just didnt take this seriously at all and are now paying the price and Trump doesn't care as long as it democrats that are dying.
I think its somewhere in between.
I don't follow, is Covid-19 a conservative virus?
Side note but worldometers really isn't reliable. I note that John Burns Murdoch has stopped using it as even a secondary source in his daily graphics due to concerns about their data quality.
It is unreliable, the good thing though is that they share the links to the sources.
Is it going to be a bad news story everywhere when they come out of lockdown?
Is permanent lockdown the only way out of this Wibs?
This crisis has done wonders for European leaders, the next general election in Germany is scheduled for October 21, so quite far away still, but if Merkel wanted to she could probably easily reverse her retirement:
approval:
What do you not follow -
it supposedly started in China in a country of over a billion and they are **reporting** a relatively small number of deaths compared to other countries?
So are they lying?
Its killing thousands a day in the USA now so should they have took it seriously instead of listening to their orange leader who dismissed it as a democrat hoax?
At which point does this virus particularly kills democrats? You wrote "...as long as it's democrats that are dying".
61% approval rating for Boris? This country deserves to be mired in this shit for as long as possible. Their handling of this has been nothing less than shambolic and shameful.
You must be a Trump supporter. Read the sentence again and try to understand the context.
Vaccine could be ready by September. Say they are 80% sure it will work.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...x?shareToken=5c44cb95d1a1017e3edf50902b993be0
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...x?shareToken=5c44cb95d1a1017e3edf50902b993be0
I cant understand it myself - he was advocating herd immunity 4 weeks ago. Totally cavalier approach.
I'm asking you to explain the context, because the sentence is a bit daft. And no I'm not a Trump supporter, I'm not even sure about what this has to do with Trump, the US is a federation most of the issues that we are seeing are the fruit of state policies and management. Trump is a feckwit but let's not give other politicians and civil servants an easy ride.
I think that's human nature though. The death figure gets so large we can't really quantify it, so it just becomes a grim statistic.
I went to the supermarket for a first time in nearly two weeks yesterday and it makes you paranoid as hell that you've become infected.
Reckon we might need to go through several more weeks of this too.
80% of the time it works every time.
A few key points there:
1) She says she's 80% sure it will work. There's a lot of room for mistake in that 20%.
2) As she says, having it "ready" for September would depend on the government beginning mass production before it has actually proven to work. Which would be a questionable decision, to put it mildly.
3) I find it hard to imagine that a vaccine developed that quickly can have been tested and trialled to the usual standard. Which presumably increases the risk of potential negative health impact from the vaccine itself?
So I wouldn't hold my breath.
I'm not surprised completely. Media has been largely non-confrontational with them in terms of challenging them on technical details of this crisis. Boris is liked by a lot of people already and the pandemic's had an effect of galvanising people's support for him and his party (think it happens quite often in most crises?). I don't think most people know about the reality of the situation in hospitals and how much of the death toll is directly attributable to government's mishandling of this crisis during the delay phase.
Sad thing is I think I think that percentage will remain static regardless of how many people die in this country and whatever their party does during and in the aftermath of this or whatever healthcare workers say this has been handled.
Yeah there does seem to be brazen rather cautious optimism from the medical representative. But maybe she's holding some stuff back and the results are really good which she has shared with the government who, the penny pinchers that we know they are, are willing to back this horse.
There was mention in the article that flu vaccines still only have a 40/50% success rate after decades of study.
Mass vaccinations in September would and should scare the shit out of us all much more than Covid-19.
That would be what? Mass production at the point where humans have been studied for a matter of weeks.
I wonder if there'll be any scope for a post-event inquiry into the UK government's handling of the situation? Or other countries government's for that matter?
In other words, will we actually see governments which made drastic errors being officially held to account? Or will it be down to the public to judge then through votes at the next GE, whenever that is?
In other words, will we actually see governments which made drastic errors being officially held to account? Or will it be down to the public to judge then through votes at the next GE, whenever that is?
That's because we continuously have a handful of strains doing the round and they all evolve. That rate is actually good in that context.
This is how the Zombie apocalypse happens....
That is a good article. Be intriguing to see how the government would answer this one, if someone were to actually grow a pair and ask.
Journalist: "Mr Raab, I'd like to know your personal opinion on immigration workers".
Raab: "Well thank you and that's a very good question which I will pass over to Dr Whitty who is best placed to answer this"
There has also never been a successful vaccine for a virus belonging to the coronavirus family before.
So for them to rapidly develop the first ever successful Coronavirus vaccine, have it be as effective as we need it to be in a way that some other vaccines aren't, somehow avoid it carrying any serious health risks despite the extremely limited testing and research and successfully mass produce it despite not actually knowing any of the previous qualifiers are actually the case when production starts.....
Think people are just looking for good news. Which is fine, just not something to depend on.
The problem with that is that unless you have a very centralized organization, most of the issues are very localized and the decision makers that failed aren't at government level. While we can lambast governments because they are the figurehead, it's a bit worrying that many people that are directly responsible are given the opportunity to hide behind them.
Also how do we determine what is a drastic error from governments?
The Times has consistently been gung ho when it comes to potentially positive news throughout the crisis.
Their front page splash about every home getting thumb prick tests 'in days' last month was quickly airbrushed out of history.
They've consistently been predicting lockdown ending more quickly than expected too.
Oh dear, is it really that unlikely? It's not that long ago that we had an inquiry into a cervical cancer scandal in Ireland. I would have hoped that it would be relatively standard to have one into the government's handling of a public health emergency of this scale. Especially for a country like the UK if (as feared) it ends up being one of the worst impacted countries in Europe. But for other countries as well.
It's a normal response to a crisis.
Most people just want to support the people in power in a time of crisis. There's enough problems already so they don't see the value in creating new ones. They don't really care who's in power. They just think it's helpful to be supportive and united. The time for criticism comes after.
Hmm, this is a good point. I was thinking of it from an Irish perspective (which has one of the most centralised states in Europe) but for other countries it would be a lot more complex and would presumably take a long time.
Though surely there'll be some pressure on governments to at least be seen to put measures in place to prevent a crisis on this scale again? Which I would have thought would require instigating some sort of analysis, report, findings and recommendations from someone.
The media will have absolutely no appetite to call for it. Even if we end up with the worst record in the developed world, Boris and his team will be hailed for their incredible efforts in a circumstances that are unique to the UK.
It's a normal response to a crisis.
Most people just want to support the people in power in a time of crisis. There's enough problems already so they don't see the value in creating new ones. They don't really care who's in power. They just think it's helpful to be supportive and united. The time for criticism comes after.
I think going forward that the economy will be the most important part of the fall out to most people. The vast vast majority of people won't be hospitalised from the virus and the number of people that have lost younger and healthier members of their families will be in a small number. Nearly everyone will be touched personally in some way by the economic fallout. I think a lot of people are also pleased with the government have handled the economic side of things so far with the 80% of wages and so on. At least that is the feedback I get on a purely anecdotal level.
I wonder if Alexander Lebedev's name comes up at all in the Russia Inquiry that we will also never get to see.