SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Pogue Mahone said:
I got a PM from someone called @fellwin re an interesting bit of research in Denmark. They tested everyone who donated blood and found 1.5% of them were producing antibodies. So they can extrapolate from that a similar % of the overall population is probably positive. Which is many more times higher than the official number of cases. Obviously, a long way short of herd immunity though, unfortunately.
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@Pogue Mahone

Could be worth google translating this: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/ny-studie-2-5-av-stockholmarna-bar-pa-viruset

But the quick run down. 773 random people tested in Stockholm between 27th March - 3rd April, 2.5% tested positive. This isn't an antibody test of course, so this was people bearing the virus there and then. With the time between now and then that'd give between 5-10% actually bearing the virus.

The health ministry will put this into their model and hopefully tomorrow give us an idea as to how many are likely to have had the virus in the Stockholm region. Watch this space!

Next week they will start a nation wide test.
 
I wish journos would shut the feck up about this ‘exit strategy’. All it does is cause impatience amongst the idiots who want out of lockdown.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


Speaking of stupid people. FFS.

(No need for “shouldn’t they have been on duty?” jokes. The twitter thread is already full of them)
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They need to face punishments for things like that. Police here are allowed to issue fines that can enter the thousands. People actually pay for their stupidity.
 
horsechoker said:
4204 new cases in Italy (3836 yesterday)
610 deaths (542 yesterday)

Fewer cured than yesterday also

Hopefully this is just a exception to the gradual decline, there are fewer people in intensive care compared to yesterday.
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Numbers always spike around Thursday and Friday as cases catch up from the previous weekend. It's been that way since the beginning, and by Sunday the numbers start dropping again.

The Health Minister said today for the first time the R0 has dropped below 1.
 
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Alabaster Codify7 said:
How is Peru doing in general?
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We're currently coming to the end of a 4 week quarantine and curfew which has now been extended to 6 weeks.

The government here needed to act much earlier as the healthcare system is non existent.

I suppose that's one advantage to living in the future, they can see what is coming from the other side of world by least 6 hours.
 
Seen reports of caravans heading for Cornwall today in their dozens. Source - Plymouth Herald.
 
The Cat said:
Seen reports of caravans heading for Cornwall today in their dozens. Source - Plymouth Herald.
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I don't see why it's the government's fault if people are idiots. People in the UK have been told the right way to behave for weeks now.
 
BluesJr said:
I wish journos would shut the feck up about this ‘exit strategy’. All it does is cause impatience amongst the idiots who want out of lockdown.
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They should have an exit strategy even if they don't yet know when to start implementing it. I don't think Raab understands the question
 
Maybe im deluded, but i thought that tonight's briefing was fairly positive. Particularly regarding rates of people entering critical care. Ive been fairly impressed throughout by the way each person takes time to answer the questions as fully as possible.
 
The Cat said:
Seen reports of caravans heading for Cornwall today in their dozens. Source - Plymouth Herald.
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Seems to be a theme - lots of reports from Ireland of affluent Dubliners fleeing to their holiday homes in Kerry and West Cork.
 
11101 said:
I don't see why it's the government's fault if people are idiots. People in the UK have been told the right way to behave for weeks now.
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But this behaviour was totally predictable, hence the responsibility of government to implement suitable counter measures.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
They should have an exit strategy even if they don't yet know when to start implementing it. I don't think Raab understands the question
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I can understand why they are not saying what will happen yet. Still too many variables plus, the minute people get any hint of restrictions being lifted some numpties will take the piss and potentially put us back
 
Utd heap said:
Anyone not following the rules should be made destitute?

Interesting way to resolve society in a crisis mate.
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If the whoppers are willing to spread the virus and cause potential manslaughter then why not, you actually need something to make people realise this is serious. The thought of then losing their money / home / car etc should be enough to make people actually do what they're told.
 
Utd heap said:
Anyone not following the rules should be made destitute?

Interesting way to resolve society in a crisis mate.
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There's always been small but sizeable part of the population who love going around judging and denouncing their fellow citizens and by being as petty and spiteful as possible.

As this thread shows, they are having the time of their lives right now.
 
Just found out my uncle died this morning. Didn't even know he had it. NHS doctor.
 
Adisa said:
African Americans are more predisposed to pee-existing conditions...hypertension, obesity, diabetes and poorer access to healthcare.
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Intriguing that poor access to healthcare is considered a pre-existing condition. :angel:
 
Passport Office told to go back to work

Anyone see this before it got bumped off the BBC front page? HMPO planning to send their workforce back into offices to clear non-urgent applications which have built up because they sent everyone home a couple of weeks ago but didn't turn the online application route off. Staff being told that they have to come in, but aren't designated as key workers so can't access childcare/justify their travel to the police. The HO expert claiming on an All Staff Call that being in an office for 8 hours is no riskier than sitting at home or going to the supermarket. Staff cohabiting with people in risk groups have been told that it will up to their line manager to decide if their personal circumstances are serious enough to disqualify them from having to come in, otherwise they'll have to take annual leave.
 
Skills said:
From the BBC:

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This is intereting. The occurrence of diabetes is fairly high in the British South Asian community.
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It's not very scientific to count Asians as a group, NE Asians and SE Asians or Middle Easterns differ more in DNA makeup than NE Asians v Europeans
 
jeff_goldblum said:
Passport Office told to go back to work

Anyone see this before it got bumped off the BBC front page? HMPO planning to send their workforce back into offices to clear non-urgent applications which have built up because they sent everyone home a couple of weeks ago but didn't turn the online application route off. Staff being told that they have to come in, but aren't designated as key workers so can't access childcare/justify their travel to the police. The HO expert claiming on an All Staff Call that being in an office for 8 hours is no riskier than sitting at home or going to the supermarket. Staff cohabiting with people in risk groups have been told that it will up to their line manager to decide if their personal circumstances are serious enough to disqualify them from having to come in, otherwise they'll have to take annual leave.
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Feck knows what they're thinking. Why do people need passports if the country is on lockdown anyway? Cant see people busting to get their passports anyway.
 
The Cat said:
Seen reports of caravans heading for Cornwall today in their dozens. Source - Plymouth Herald.
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In Germany, the Higher Administrative Court of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania today overturned a travel ban for Easter issued by the state government. Residents of the state are free to travel to the coast and the islands in the Baltic Sea now.

Seems the courts are going to be busy with this stuff. There is another lawsuit by a medical lawyer who issue a 20-page statement in which she explains why the current measures are unconstituational. Which is fine but then she also called for nationwide demonstrations. Now the criminal police is investigating her for incitement to commit a crime.
 
worldgonemad said:
Maybe im deluded, but i thought that tonight's briefing was fairly positive. Particularly regarding rates of people entering critical care. Ive been fairly impressed throughout by the way each person takes time to answer the questions as fully as possible.
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Raab actually goes back to the asker to make sure they're satisfied with the answer.Amazing.
 
One Night Only said:
I'm down for that too.
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Actually I don't mind what the Philippines president has said. If they break the curfew ( they have a curfew) and if they create trouble, shoot them. That will stop all these caravans and parties and booze ups and getting together that creates more infected people.
 
One Night Only said:
If the whoppers are willing to spread the virus and cause potential manslaughter then why not, you actually need something to make people realise this is serious. The thought of then losing their money / home / car etc should be enough to make people actually do what they're told.
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I’ve seen this word batted around this thread a lot.
I don’t think they fully comprehend what they’re saying .
 
Foxbatt said:
Actually I don't mind what the Philippines president has said. If they break the curfew ( they have a curfew) and if they create trouble, shoot them. That will stop all these caravans and parties and booze ups and getting together that creates more infected people.
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Stop people dying by shooting people, that’s A novel idea.
 
Adisa said:
Just found out my uncle died this morning. Didn't even know he had it. NHS doctor.
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My condolences. My brother in law is a consultant in the NHS and I try to text to him everyday too. He said it's a war and he never expects to come home unscathed. He said he is resigned to whatever may happen. His job is to save lives he said as is what everyone else is doing. He is worried that NHS staff is only tested if they show symptoms but he has so many positive cases under his care. His colleague is already down and in quarantine. The heroes are the health workers yet the politicians and pundits will take the credit.
 
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