SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

What im getting at is it seems like there are a lot of nice corporate buzz words being thrown around, and woolly, fluffy promises and initiative (great for PR), and not enough of people or organisations just putting their hands in their pockets and helping out in a more obvious and material way (doesnt necessarily just mean "money"). Seems to be a case of various groups saying "What can we do that looks really good, but doesnt actually cost or impact us much in the slightest?"

Regardless of the morals, the other businesses shouldn't be having to supplement for something which central government should be funding in the first place. It's great you're highlighting what they're not doing, but what should you think they should be doing?
 
From the BBC:

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This is intereting. The occurrence of diabetes is fairly high in the British South Asian community.
 
From the BBC:

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This is intereting. The occurrence of diabetes is fairly high in the British South Asian community.

Interesting, there was stats drawing a similar conclusion in certain states of the USA yesterday as well.
 
A group of researchers from Aalborg University have also designed and build an emergency ventilator the past 14 days and have put the design and instructions up for others to use (or they're just about to make them publicly available).
 
Can someone explain about Australia? I've noticed their numbers seem to be low so just wondered how they are handling it?


I know a lot of my Aussie friends are not happy on FB, because they've locked down 25million people over a few dozen deaths. They feel it's gone way overboard but their government is obviously taking no chances.
 
Call me a cynic, but im not convinced that that is really useful in the modern age where most providers give you huge data limits anyway. And the people who are actually still at work are probably the least likely to need all that extra data. I reckon they would prefer 50% off their bills, personally.

Similarly cynical, but the new Premier League players initiative that has been reported over the last day or two.... I have yet to see any actual figures or details on how they are helping and what this new fund is really going to do.

What im getting at is it seems like there are a lot of nice corporate buzz words being thrown around, and woolly, fluffy promises and initiative (great for PR), and not enough of people or organisations just putting their hands in their pockets and helping out in a more obvious and material way (doesnt necessarily just mean "money"). Seems to be a case of various groups saying "What can we do that looks really good, but doesnt actually cost or impact us much in the slightest?"

Due to the sums of data we consume these days and the way they're packaged up, this gesture wont hit as hard as it might have 18 months ago, for example. Knowing that companies don't like giving something for nothing (if they did, a cash credit on bills would be better as you said), it actually gives some interesting insight in to what the actual cost of data is to telecoms companies.

All that said, the Kevin Bacon EE NHS advert is doing the rounds on TV today and from what I'm hearing the take up has been huge this morning. The Website has gone down a couple of times.
 
In that situation, I hope he doesn't feel any sort of regret or responsibility. It wasn't really known in the same quantity back then and just because he may have been the first doesn't mean he was responsible for everyone or even the most.
I know it's not exactly an equivalence, but should the Chinese then be held responsible and made to feel regret?
 
Ah interesting.

I am 25 days in to shielding and thankfully I have relatives who can shop for me - as I know some have been struggling to get the supermarkets to recognise them as extremely vulnerable.

I have high nutritional requirements and drink plenty of full-fat milk to boost calories - so seeing dairy farmers literally pouring away milk due to a drop in demand from restaurants, coffee shops etc is frustrating. Hopefully they can come up with a way of redirecting the milk straight to consumers.

I just wonder what the government response will be when the initial guidance comes to an end. They’ve pledge to provide support for as long as people need it - but that could theoretically be needed until there’s a vaccine.
Good luck.
Since typing that I’ve received a letter from my gp this morning saying that I’m at risk. there’s a number I can ring for my local council to arrange shopping, pharmacy delivery etc. Feeling relieved now even though im good for a few weeks
 
Updated graph of English deaths by day of death (last 5-6 days will see significant upward revision):
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Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. 765 new deaths as of 5pm yesterday, down from 828 the day before:

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Orange is a 5 day trailing average with the last 5 days omitted as they are bound to have significant upward change. Still no idea what happened on 31st of March.
 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

Police had to shut down 660 parties in Manchester last weekend alone. Adherence to the lockdown iss going to continue to get worse.

It will if the government maintain this softy softy approach in not supporting the police. Smack a 1k fine on these people and publically announce numbers fined and you might suddenly find that the number of those having parties quickly reduces.
 
These people's names should be put on record and should be denied entrance to all festivals and clubs for the next 3 years.
Sounds terrible, but they should be denied care or should have to pay for it. Our NHS is at breaking point and these people don't give a sh*t. Also why should the police get abuse for trying to do their jobs?
 
These people's names should be put on record and should be denied entrance to all festivals and clubs for the next 3 years.
Clamp them in those ankle bracelets and don’t allow them to travel outside their area as punishment once it’s back to normal
 
What all 1.3 billion of them?
Oh I'm not suggesting anything. But there's calls on here suggesting economic sanctions and the likes. Would that not have the same effect as shaming their entire population, besides also hurting them economically?
 
It was 31st of Jan when they made the statement of "For the time being, no obvious human-to-human transmission has been observed and no healthcare workers have been infected. The causative pathogen and cause of infection are still under investigation". Translated in a HK press release here: https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201912/31/P2019123100667.htm

Then This paper - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext#back-bib24
- Talks about a family admitted on 10th Jan that had clearly transmitted it between themselves. I guess it was these cases that caught the attention of the Chinese government and began the drastic lockdown measures.

I don't know what others are expecting but it all seems pretty quick to me and I'm yet to see any evidence of a cover up?

That one is from December
 
Good luck.
Since typing that I’ve received a letter from my gp this morning saying that I’m at risk. there’s a number I can ring for my local council to arrange shopping, pharmacy delivery etc. Feeling relieved now even though im good for a few weeks

Cheers, you too.
 
BBC
England reports 765 new coronavirus deaths
NHS England has recorded 765 new deaths in hospital from coronavirus.
It said that 140 of them occurred yesterday, while 568 took place between 1 April and 7 April.
The remaining 57 deaths took place in March, including two on 19 March and one on 16 March

Might make the numbers seem better but this could go for any released daily figures in Europe
 
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Wuhan is opening up but I feel that this is not a good idea. What if it comes back again? This is going to create a much bigger problem for the world.
 
Why's that?


Apparently we have to be in lockdown forever now, just in case covid19 comes back. It's a good job the world didn't think that way for pandemics in the past or else none of us would be alive today. It's fine to be concerned, we all are, but I just can't get on board with this fear of any country attempting to move onto the front-foot and get on with life.
 
I hope either we find a cure or it gets weakened enough not to kill so many people
 
it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. we just have to manage it.


Exactly, there is nothing wrong with being afraid right now, we all are to different extents. But this logic of just sitting behind closed doors indefinitely because of 'what might happen', is counter-productive. Eventually, the world has to go on the attack against this virus - we have to move back into a way of life that benefits us all, while also managing the virus as best as possible. It can, and will, be done.
 
Apparently we have to be in lockdown forever now, just in case covid19 comes back. It's a good job the world didn't think that way for pandemics in the past or else none of us would be alive today. It's fine to be concerned, we all are, but I just can't get on board with this fear of any country attempting to move onto the front-foot and get on with life.

I think you misunderstood what I mean. Even now the Chinese are being blamed for this. Even though in my opinion the countries who are getting it so badly got it because of the incompetence of their own politicians .
Now if China opens up Wuhan and it comes back and spread out again USA and UK could declare war on China. A war of some sort and not necessarily military.
 
I think you misunderstood what I mean. Even now the Chinese are being blamed for this. Even though in my opinion the countries who are getting it so badly got it because of the incompetence of their own politicians .
Now if China opens up Wuhan and it comes back and spread out again USA and UK could declare war on China. A war of some sort and not necessarily military.


I get you, yeah. We just have to hope that doesn't happen I guess.