SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Regulus Arcturus Black said:
The only "cure" will be vaccine pal, and that's a long long long way off.

Now it's all about protecting the risk groups the best we can, that's how you keep the death toll down.
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Unfortunately, the best way to protect at risk groups is to try and keep transmission as low as possible in society as a whole. You can’t just stick all the elderly/hypertensive/obese/smokers in a cave somewhere for 18 months. They’re going to be interacting with people who are less at risk, day in, day out. Realistically, I think we’re going to have constant relatively manageable social distancing for the next year or two with periodic lockdowns if it ever looks like getting out of hand again.

I’m not actually sure what the “relatively manageable social distancing” looks like but I’m hoping this will mean a a return to amateur (outdoor) sport, re-opening of most shops, allowing people to travel freely around the country, maybe even allowing restaurants to open (with strict conditions around seating etc) I don’t see pubs, night clubs, cinemas, theatres, indoor gyms etc opening any time soon and I certainly think large gatherings (concerts, professional football matches etc) won’t happen again for a long time.
 
Ian Reus said:
My dad and about 6 different mates all
claimed to have had this particular virus back in december. So where's all the dead people or was the first batch of infections not dangerous?
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Not claiming to know anything but could they just have been filed under death from pneumonia or flu? Considering it was flu season?
 
My dad was absolutely adamant he had it (I don't believe it), but around Dec / Jan he was struggling.
The doctors couldn't actually put a finger on it. They prescribed him some antibiotics and they didn't work, so they gave him two more to take at the same time. I wouldn't say they worked as such, but he did eventually get over it.

He was having a bad chest and breathing problems throughout. Lacked energy and constantly slept through the day (He always does, just more than usual)

That being said, my dads 72, has Type 1 Diabetes, overweight, had a hart attack and also COPD.... I cant see this virus being kind to him, hence me thinking it isn't that

This is the UK btw
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Unfortunately, the best way to protect at risk groups is to try and keep transmission as low as possible in society as a whole. You can’t just stick all the elderly/hypertensive/obese/smokers in a cave somewhere for 18 months. They’re going to be interacting with people who are less at risk, day in, day out. Realistically, I think we’re going to have constant relatively manageable social distancing for the next year or two with periodic lockdowns if it ever looks like getting out of hand again.

I’m not actually sure what the “relatively manageable social distancing” looks like but I’m hoping this will mean a a return to amateur (outdoor) sport, re-opening of most shops, allowing people to travel freely around the country, maybe even allowing restaurants to open (with strict conditions around seating etc) I don’t see pubs, night clubs, cinemas, theatres, indoor gyms etc opening any time soon and I certainly think large gatherings (concerts, professional football matches etc) won’t happen again for a long time.
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I think some of those things can open. Pubs, Cinema's, Gyms can open as long as there is strict enforcement of the number of people in them & carefully management of crowds gathering outside. Maybe you'll have to make a booking to go into a pub or gym (so you don't queue up outside), limit group sizes etc.

Theatres I can't see opening because the risk is to the actors & production staff, who are often working in small spaces quite close together.

There are ways to manage them but it'll take a lot of competence in executing this.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
That being said, my dads 72, has Type 1 Diabetes, overweight, had a hart attack and also COPD.... I cant see this virus being kind to him, hence me thinking it isn't that
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Not really.
Elderly couple (93 and 88) overcame Covid-19 in India
101 year old man in Italy also overcame the virus recently
 
Sandikan said:
Don't virus strains normally come back as a weaker version?
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Normally, but not always. Increasing lethality is not good for a virus. Spanish flu came back more deadly in a second wave but it killed people off too quickly and died out itself after a couple of months.
 
Skills said:
I think some of those things can open. Pubs, Cinema's, Gyms can open as long as there is strict enforcement of the number of people in them & carefully management of crowds gathering outside. Maybe you'll have to make a booking to go into a pub (so you don't queue up outside), limit group sizes etc.

Theatres I can't see opening because the risk is to the actors & production staff, who are often working in small spaces quite close together.
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Cinemas and gyms maybe but there’s not a hope in hell of punters keeping up social distancing in pubs once the booze starts to flow. Mind you, they might still open, I just think that would be a very bad idea.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Cinemas and gyms maybe but there’s not a hope in hell of punters keeping up social distancing in pubs once the booze starts to flow. Mind you, they might still open, I just think that would be a very bad idea.
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I know, hahaha.
I guess they'd have to put a limit of something like 40% usual capacity and have bouncers imposing that rule. But yeah, that's not going to be adhered to. I think restaurants would actually be a bit easier to monitor - they can only book 50% of their tables at any one time, can't have back-to-back bookings etc and no walk-ins maybe?
 
Why does even make any sense to him?! Surely if things get that bad, lad, you're gonna have way bigger things to worry about than whether Joan from Church Street is buying 5 boxes of tissues...
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
Not claiming to know anything but could they just have been filed under death from pneumonia or flu? Considering it was flu season?
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I'm not buying that either. Too many people have come out of the woodwork to claim they were infected back in December. Flu or not, none of their relatives died or anybody they knew.
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Pogue Mahone said:
You do realise that a shit-load of people catch flu every December. Why would last December be any different?
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The hospital and death rates. Was anything reported as unusual in terms of this back in December?
Surely if 50 people on my Facebook claimed to have had it, then surely that would equate to hundreds of thousands of infections by March? No?
 
Ian Reus said:
The hospital and death rates. Was anything reported as unusual in terms of this back in December?
Surely if 50 people on my Facebook claimed to have had it, then surely that would equate to hundreds of thousands of infections by March? No?
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I’m not sure 50 people on your Facebook claiming to have it would meet the diagnostic criteria for a SARS-COV2 cluster.
 
Ian Reus said:
There's over 10 million people living in Lima and every supermarket has 3-4 cops in it or outside it. Works fine over here.
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What exactly are they policing, mate? Genuine question.
What business do they have there? Is it restricting numbers of people inside at any one time?
 
The idea of opening pubs any time soon is mental, as if drunks are going to abide by social distancing.

Open restaurants and hope they abide by half service. You want a social drink have it with a nice meal.
 
Smores said:
The idea of opening pubs any time soon is mental, as if drunks are going to abide by social distancing.

Open restaurants and hope they abide by half service. You want a social drink have it with a nice meal.
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Yeah definitely, pubs are going to be one of the last things to resume. Some will break the pact though, in quieter places where they mainly just attract regular locals.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
When you’re trying to convince stupid people to stop being stupid, you might have to say stupid things.
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No you don't. Stupid people will do stupid things regardless. All you do is make normal people think that their police force is being run by a muppet who is going a bit mad. Keeping the public on side is key to maintaining the lockdown.

horsechoker said:
This. Maybe they can use the license fee vans to detect if people are at home watching TV or not.
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Don't go giving the Derbyshire Chief Constable ideas... please.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
What exactly are they policing, mate? Genuine question.
What business do they have there? Is it restricting numbers of people inside at any one time?
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I think support for shop workers too. I was leaving the supermarket yesterday when it was due to close and there was a few fellas trying to convince the young man to let them in to shop. But one of the cops stepped in and they backed away.
Maybe in a volatile country like this, looting is more prevalent in desperate times.
 
If the virus was circulating in December we would have been the first European country to be affected, not Italy.

Doesn't make sense that it has taken 4 months for us to break critical care capacity considering it only has a 2 week incubation period.
 
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People are stupid and that's why these tough measures come into being. I saw in the news that in Western Canada it started to expand from a snowmobile event. Now during this Easter weekend they ( private people) are planning to have an ATV event. This is why it's needed.
It expanded in a cock fight in the south Philippines.
 
4204 new cases in Italy (3836 yesterday)
610 deaths (542 yesterday)

Fewer cured than yesterday also

Hopefully this is just a exception to the gradual decline, there are fewer people in intensive care compared to yesterday.
 
Ian Reus said:
I think support for shop workers too. I was leaving the supermarket yesterday when it was due to close and there was a few fellas trying to convince the young man to let them in to shop. But one of the cops stepped in and they backed away.
Maybe in a volatile country like this, looting is more prevalent in desperate times.
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For sure, man. If items are being restricted also, how is a small female cashier supposed to deny a bunch of blokes from panic-buying and snatching up everything in sight. You definitely need some kind of backup in place.

How is Peru doing in general?
 
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