good luck with that. once this all settles, people are still going to prefer buying things made cheaper due to globalisation.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
- Start date
good luck with that. once this all settles, people are still going to prefer buying things made cheaper due to globalisation.
Yet, in early Feb, Tedros was still telling the world not to ban international travel.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-not-needed-to-beat-china-virus-idUSKBN1ZX1H3
Meanwhile in Illinois https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/07/us/illinois-mayor-wife-gathering-police-trnd/index.html
"These are very serious times and I'm begging you to please stay at home," Brant Walker, mayor of Alton, Illinois, said in a briefing on Friday.
Less than 48 hours later, police broke up a gathering at Hiram's Tavern in downtown Alton. Among those in attendance: Walker's wife.
"These are very serious times and I'm begging you to please stay at home," Brant Walker, mayor of Alton, Illinois, said in a briefing on Friday.
Less than 48 hours later, police broke up a gathering at Hiram's Tavern in downtown Alton. Among those in attendance: Walker's wife.
938 today
Not goodThe WHO issued a statement on 14th Jan that Chinese authorities found no evidence of human to human transmission.
It isn't very likely that they had no evidence as the transmission rate and rapid spread were both indicating it had to be.
There is a massive difference between a virus you catch from close contact with sick animals and one you catch person to person.
If this will end up as actually correct, 3 month long total and universal lockdown might turn out to be the only solution.
that's on WHO. i agree they have been shite too.
The virus was first spotted in Wuhan. We don't know if it originated in Wuhan. Wuhan tried to cover it up. We don't think China covered it up, but it might have. China placed the whole country in an unparalleled lock-down, but the virus already spread beyond it's borders. China, Italy - hell, everyone - underestimated the virus and didn't take quick, decisive action. So the virus spread to almost every country.
Now we're all pissed off. Who are we going to blame? China obviously.
Somehow I don't find this surprising. Infuriating, yes. But not surprising.
Now we're all pissed off. Who are we going to blame? China obviously.
Somehow I don't find this surprising. Infuriating, yes. But not surprising.
a few days later a revised statement was produced. see my earlier post showing that by the end of January loads of papers had been published.
Just out of curiosity did all of the papers give the same responses and answers as such?
When this thing is over I would think there will be enough people in this world who's lives and families have suffered a massive blow because of this. Tapping into that emotion with some negative propaganda regarding the purchasing Chinese products would not be a difficult thing to do.
I honestly don't know. What do you reckon? Do you think, for example, the Huawei deal will go ahead now?
You've been told why multiple times earlier in the thread.
Has any country surpassed 1000 deaths in a single day?
This should really be the only conclusion. I remember the BBC clip where a bloke was interviewed coming through a UK airport having returned from Wuhan itself in mid January. Even he was slightly appalled that he hadn't been tested or screened in any way. Trying to claim that Western countries like the UK were taking serious measures is a bizarre rewriting of history. As are any attempts to absolve or ignore the mistakes of the Chinese government.
USA
Sadly the only ones I could find have no proper packaging. Just a small sleeve.
Gosh that's interesting, where have you seen that? Sources please.
no idea. the nature article just says that several of the papers contained estimates of how rapidly the virus spreads, the length of its incubation period, and some other studies focusing on the virus’s structure and genetic make-up. some of it was peer reviewed too. the fact Chinese scientists even bothered to publish in English (to help fascilitate communication) is frankly a credit to them, and certainly is a counter argument to the Chinese cover up agenda.
all this isn't to say China doesn't deserve any blame - of course they do. but it's wrong (albeit expected) to pin everything on them.
Generally speaking, those ones that feel like it's made of paper (even if 3 or 4 layers) are supposed to be used only for 4-8 hours.
USA was close to 2000 in a day in the last report I heard. Very tragic.
Completely agree.
Just be interesting to be able to appreciate which information anyone should have relied upon.
I'll try and dig out the clip if I can but it might be a struggle now given all the other millions of Wuhan related stories out there. But yeah, people were coming back with no screening at all at the time.
Not aimed at your post specifically, but to try and argue China were totally open and transparent displays a complete lack of understanding of their standard way of operating. They will try and hide anything that makes them look bad, but if it gets beyond their control they will quickly switch to be as open and helpful as they can and often attempt to profit from it somehow. I lived there for years and it was always the way. Floating pigs, baby milk, tainted food, lots of examples spring to mind.
Like you say though, it is not their fault that the West still did nothing after they had switched to the helpful stage.
I remember that as well, somewhere in Feb. I'll post a source if I come across it again, but if you scroll back in this very thread, you will probably find it being mentioned.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-travel-ban.html
Passengers entering US were only asked if they've been to China or Iran. This was in March, well after the outbreak.
More like partially true.
Funny, sad and true.
The West's response to this has been a shambles (some countries did better than others, but none of the big countries really did this right). Of course, that does not give amnesty to China lying for the majority of January (and WHO lying for them too). Also, while I believe that China acted much better than Western countries, I also think that they hid (and still hid) numbers. Otherwise, some things just don't match (adding new measures like closing cinemas after declaring that they won and there are no new cases for several days).
Of course, some politicians (see Trump) are blaming China in order to excuse the US' pathetic response until mid-March. But I think we can blame both our leaders for being clueless (in your case, Merkel did a much better job than most Western countries) and also blame China for lying and hiding the truth until the 20th of January. And also, don't trust their official numbers. I mean, it is an autocratic country with no free media. Their numbers are whatever numbers the party wants.
There's 649 pages that I'm not going to bother scrolling back.
To claim there have been no serious attempts when the public and various organisations have attempted to do their best with the limited equipment and limited and sometimes conflicting information is degrading at best, at worst it is cynical and disgraceful however if you have expected more from various governments then perhaps that could be more accurate but still with conflicting information and each own bureaucracies to contend which might be less harsh.
It's a shame but I've run out of free views but anyone would admit that as I've said numerous times, the responses have been incoherent across many countries.
We're talking about airport screening, not their healthcare workers' efforts. I also remember reports about Chinese tourists being able to freely enter Italy without any (or limited) screening
Good summary of everything.
China lied, some people died; the west screwed up, lots more people died.
FFS. This is dengue fever like.
So am I, The US ain't everywhere yet. Italy has been in lockdown for over a month now.
The entire world was unprepared, regardless of whether china downplayed the situation back in jan or not. Even during the worst of the outbreak, most governments were still touch and go with their decisions. Personally I think this has been a valuable learning experience, so that we are well prepared for something even nastier like ebola or another SARS.
They also were much lethal (and made people sick ASAP), which meant that the carriers struggle to spread the virus. SARS was killing 10% of the infected, and making everyone really sick very fast. Bird flu (H5N1) was killing 61% of people who caught it, and there were only a few human to human transmissions.
This fecker is an extremely intelligent virus. It can go totally undetected by not giving any symptoms to people, who can infect many others in meantime. And even when it makes people sick, it happens a few days after the infection, giving time to these people to spread it to further hosts.