Maybe.
One of the top medics over here mentioned yesterday that there's some evidence that improper and prolonged use can causes the virus to grow inside the masks and cause all sorts of issues.
Whether or not that's bollocks, I have zero idea.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Maybe.
One of the top medics over here mentioned yesterday that there's some evidence that improper and prolonged use can causes the virus to grow inside the masks and cause all sorts of issues.
Whether or not that's bollocks, I have zero idea.
m'uh turds!!
This is stupid, the word is thousands of years old. I hope Corona beer don't change their name because people think it's associated with the virus.
I see what you did there! I'm not against it, I do feel sorry for the key workers that have to work through this and then have to pay extra tax.
I'm a little over minimum wage so hopefully I wont be seeing a total of £100 taken out of my pay (I'm a mechanic, and seen as a key worker, even though no one can come to the garage...) and as @sun_rightly said, I think business will be paying for a lot of this too, my guess is vat will be set to 25 or 30% - and I doubt the government will reduce it after the pandemic bill clears.
"Big yikes."
The latest phrase I despise.
The latest phrase I despise.
That's a big yikes.
It is such an awful phrase, thanfully I have never seen it used unironically.
Potentially dumb questions. If suddenly masks are deemed to help prevent the virus spreading, why they are considered so poor at preventing the healthy from getting infected?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/start-wearing-face-masks-britain-urged-mzg9g27zc
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/start-wearing-face-masks-britain-urged-mzg9g27zc
And the poorest people in society that can’t afford to pay anymore than what they were? Are we going to have another Cameron/IDS style attack on ‘benefit thieves’ and more bedroom tax type nonsense? I get the impression that they were lucky people were stupid enough to fall for it the first time. Not sure how they can sell another round of austerity so soon after the last.
I’m not political point scoring I’m genuinely struggling to see how the impact of another economic crash can be spread out evenly. Tensions have been near at breaking point before this happened (riots in France, blaming EU/immigration, the situation in America).
I quite like corona beer and even though I know I am being stupid I have avoided it since this whole thing kicked off. If others are the same they may well feel the pinch
South Africa climbed exponentially after the 100th case. We're on 1300. There have been 30 odd new cases over the last 5 days.
Lack of testing.
SA doesn't represent the whole continent of course. But in SA - lack of testing.
Go check SA for a shock.
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
Because people mainly get infected from touching an infected surface... A mask does not stop you touching an Infected surface then your own face
A mask does stop an infected person coughing onto a surface or onto their hands and can prevent the surface becoming infected in the first place
Or at least that's my guess?
Austerity was always political. As per QE we're in a different world now with the central banks the money makers when needed, in this case they're turning on the taps and they have a lot of room to carry on doing so if needed.
The tax payers will only have to pay if we run out of fiscal room due to inflation going through the roof which seems unlikely. In any case it won't be this generation coughing up.
The Tories and Daily Mail will probably pitch back to household budgets though despite these concepts never actually applying. It's a great tool to rebalance wealth upwards.
It's just the fact the mask blocks it on the way out supposedly, if you cough, but not on the way in if someone coughs on you cos the tiny particle goes through the mask.
If you cover your mouth and nose with anything, it may help if someone coughs or sneezes near you (but wash it when you get home). I think that those of us who are re-using masks over and over again might as well just use a scarf, quite honestly.
Someone contracted corona in my village, getting very real now.
She was.The original KM was a doc I guess. And Gerry.
Don't forget #ClapforNHS @ 8.00 pm today if you guys are in UK!
I don't know why are you so railed up. I just tried to make some constructive discussion. help yourself mate
The primary opposition to face masks is essentially about compliance:
Public Health England said:
So as I understand it the major worry is about increased exposure to the virus, because people let it get under their masks when they take it off improperly or wear it inappropriately (trapping it at close quarters).
For the sick people it doesn't matter if they remove things improperly and the virus gets under their mask since they're already infected. Its function is primarily to prevent the virus spreading when you cough or sneeze. That's just a less onerous task for people as it only requires them to have the mask covering both their nose and mouth, without thinking about touching their face too often, taking it off properly.
There's still some increased risks that come from wearing a mask when sick, especially for those not used to it. They might wear it improperly and get complacent when coughing or sneezing, spreading it more carelessly, or they might take it off and pass on the infection to someone else. But on balance the amount of times it stops the spread by trapping the cough / sneeze makes it beneficial in the vast majority of cases.
For the healthy people the major unknown is how many people would misuse it and in which ways, because the cost / benefits aren't so firmly weighted in favour even when it's used perfectly. When it's used imperfectly, which they seem to worry would be often, it increases the number of risky behaviours while offering relatively little protection (if it's just the surgical masks).
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People with any underlying conditions do not live long enough, rest are ok. Secondly the population is very young in most cases any way.
The most bleak part for me was that you don’t see any disabled people in the working class because they rarely survive and are given less prority even in their own homes.
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It won’t be business paying that then. It will be us all over again.
Is there any good explanation for why mass testing helps ? I mean something that makes sense apart from the fact that Korea and Germany did it and it worked for them
Very sorry to hear this and hope you make a full recovery. All the best.
It depends on the seal, see below:
When you breathe in or out, if there is a good seal between the mask and your face, the air flow will be forced to go through the filter element. My understanding is that this will slow down the air sufficiently for the particles/droplets to become trapped.
Certainly without a good quality seal, you will inhale and exhale some air through gaps in the seal region, rather than through the filter element. High density (compared to air) particles/droplets which are ~1 micron (typically) and are already suspended in the air are excellent at following the air flow. There is no debate about this, it is well known that such particles/droplets, once suspended, follow air motion extremely well. So if there are any gaps in the seal, there is a risk you can inhale them, and also a risk you can exhale back into the atmosphere.
If you want to wear the mask as a means of preventing others from becoming infected, this is risky, at least for some masks. As the filter blocks particles/droplets, it can become more difficult to breathe through because the filter "clogs up". This idea that you can "clean" the disposable masks (and therefore allow you to reuse them) may not be true. I don't know how the masks are designed, but I believe the filter element of some of the masks may just be layers of fabric, so you may be able to clean the outer layer well enough but not the inside layers.
This idea that you "don't touch your face" makes sense in theory but in practice, you will still scratch an itch, rub your eyes (for half masks) and risk removing the mask incorrectly and therefore touching your face. You should not be using a mask for the sole intention to avoid touching your face. If this is someones motive, they are much better off just wearing latex/nitrile gloves.
These replies illustrate my view perfectly. Now who is right and who is wrong. The worry is that across the world the experts have not adopted a unified view so how the deuce are the rest of us supposed to sort the wheat from the chaff
If you know who has the virus and who hasn't then you isolate those who do and thus prevent more people getting infected. A lot of people are asymptomatic so they could be spreading the virus without knowing, if you do know you're infected then you know to take measures which prevent others getting the virus.
Considering how unsanitary the conditions are that they live in and how closely they live I would expect them to have a better immune system. They are very heavy smokers though, which is going to have an effect definitely.
I've seen tissue masks or covers being unadvised by pneumologists. Arguably the virus can easily be breathed in through them (too large pores) so even if someone coughs into you you can still "suction it", plus they will provide a wet and warm environment that can prolong the survival.of the virus.
Mind you this is not based on evidence, it's merely their conjecture.
It's not bollocks. But if they existed in enough numbers it would make sense to advise it's use and make campaigns teaching how to use it, just like they do with hand washing.
VAT is a horrible tax (apart from its easy to collect), I hope not. Maybe a chance for a government to have a proper look at wealth taxes, even if initially on a one off basis. To be honest with the oil price crashing and more people not driving I don't know why Rishi hasn't stuck 10p a litre on the price of fuel for the next year.
I´m worried that cure could involve shooting people.
Indeed.
And the latest research shows that a cough pushes out droplets for up to 4m.
And a sneeze up to 8m.
I have seen many pictures of face masks which do not fit tightly around the side of the face, at the cheeks.
As soon as the wearer breaths in, that is exactly where the air will be drawn in.
Dumb question - why would that be the case? The particles are the same size regardless of what direction they're coming in.
It’s only been 3 weeks but I already feel some people are going insane. After the incident 3 weeks ago which I mentioned on here (a guy beating up his wife on the street which I interruped), yesterday a drunk taxi driver who lives next to me hit a tree next to my apartment and then tried to beat up his wife but she wouldn’t let him in, and today while walking my dog I’ve seen a young woman crying loudly and kicking every bin and road sign. She was the only person on the street so it was a bit like I was in a zombie film.
Totally agree.
He really should have done that in his Budget where he froze the tax level.
Regarding VAT, I believe that the governments should reduce the level from 20% back to at least the level prior to the global financial crisis; 17.5 in the UK.
This would be a good way to stimulate demand.
It makes quarantine measures more effective. For example, as I've already said earlier, we have lifted quarantines of assymptomatic patients after 14 days which later turned out to be positive and infect other people. If they had been tested before, and were positive the quarantine would have been reset and longer.
Quarantined positive cases are also monitored more actively, which allows for earlier care in cases of more serious disease, which will obviously be better for survival than if we reach them only when they're nearing a critical state, so it may lower mortality.
I also think it allows for more accurate public health measures, such as severe lockdown of higher prevalence areas.
Most of this post is speculation, it's my impression.
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And not only Africa. The Pakistani prime minister, Imran Khan, stated on Pakistani telly that they cannot afford closing down cities, as starvation would cause deaths than the virus.
Tories going into full blame Paul Pogba mode it seems.
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