I don't have any articles but what are you thinking of here?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I don't have any articles but what are you thinking of here?
Yeah that’s one of the biggest unknowns here. Why the extremely wide range of disease severity (over and above the usual stuff around age/co-morbidities) Apparently people with blood group O do much better than those with A. Bound to be other, more subtle, genoytpical differences which have profound effects.
Basically are Freddos going up in price again?
However bad we think it is, for soem it is worse.
I've had a lot of criticism for the guardian in recent years, they lost their way on many things, but they had done a good job with the pandemic stuff, looking beyond the bluff and bluster to see what is actually going on.
Clapping for the NHS is all well and good, but they need much more than that.
I've had a lot of criticism for the guardian in recent years, they lost their way on many things, but they had done a good job with the pandemic stuff, looking beyond the bluff and bluster to see what is actually going on.
Clapping for the NHS is all well and good, but they need much more than that.
Probably, yes.
This is where I draw the line.
Its not like the govt is going to accept that the lockdown hasn't worked. People have to die in large numbers (in Indian terms) for govt to accept anything. A few 100s dying randomly is just going to be brushed under the carpet.
Our prime minister has basically said he doesn't expect lockdown to be loosened at least before Autumn and likely not in 2020 at all. If anything they'll bring stricter measures for Summer (apparently only allowing people for occasional visits to do shopping and walk the dog a few times a day).
I don't really know how Europe will pull through this.
I don't really know how Europe will pull through this.
Does anybody know why the PCR testing was so hard to ramp up and is still used rather rarely? We already mass produce all the reagents for PCR. The only novelty is the specific primer sets forthe virus, but surely that can't be the hold up? Or is the problem at the detection/measurement of the RT-PCR end?
The fact that it's from France makes it even worse because Jerome Salomon has been repeating it during the official daily reports it's not a secret and it's not supposed to stay that way, the regional health agencies have registered those covid19 death, when it was possible, and the figures for care homes(EHPAD) should be available this week(it's supposed to be tonight). The reason people know that they aren't in the current count is because the government told them that it wasn't in it that they were going to publish them this week.
It's going to be a long year and one to remember for sure. Hopefully we never go through this again and those not born yet will not be able to get their heads around it.
Low confidence on the percentage of population infected so far! 1.88% to 11.43%!
All this could have been avoided if flights from China were banned when the virus started spreading there but Europe & US were too concerned about economic impact. It wouldn't have been 10% of what it will be now, and you can be sure China will not be allowing any Americans or Europeans without quarantine for a long while.
After all, it's not like Europe's leaders have a centuries-long history of viral diseases to learn from, in order to prepare & protect the public against them...
I don't really think anyone has any idea what they are doing right now, to be fair.
What you are suggesting would have changed nothing for Europe and the US, I don't really get why people keep making that point when it's incredibly weak. Banning flights from China alone would have made next to no difference, you would need to ban flights from everywhere because flights/ships from China go everywhere and they also use the same airports that other destinations will use. The only thing that could have prevented it was for China to close it's own borders and let no one leave.
We've been through far, far worse than this. It's going to a difficult year and there is still a long way to go, but we will come out of it. In 10 years we will look back and remember this time but we won't still be rebuilding from it.
In the UK, local authorities tend to run out of grit for the roads...every single year, as if Winter is a shocking and new development. As with this particular crisis, the answer seems to be: they're reluctant to spend money.
We are still dealing with the repercussions of the 2008 financial crisis. Difficult to see how we're going to have recovered from a bigger recession in less time.
Yep. Italy banned all China flights but that didn't stop it. They think it came via Germany and probably arrived whilst we still thought it was little more than a season flu that couldn't be passed between humans.
easy to say in retrospect. there's no way the entirety of Europe and the US was going to immediately ban all flights from China, when, at the time, no one had any idea of what was to come.
I was thinking more along the lines of the two world wars.
Every historical event will have influence on future life but it's a stretch to say we are still rebuilding from 2008, the stock markets, employment figures, and pretty much all economic indicators have been strong for years now.
@adexkola someone finally carried the story, it' true
https://www.politico.com/states/new...ral-aid-in-favor-of-medicaid-redesign-1269446
http://www.businessnews.lk/blog/202...mits-suicide-over-coronavirus-crisis-worries/
Hadn't seen this anywhere on news.
The pressure some politicians must be under (especially Finance ministers)?
Hadn't seen this anywhere on news.
The pressure some politicians must be under (especially Finance ministers)?
I think I’ve confused you. The figure I saw when estimating the percentage of 30s that required hospital treatment after contracting the virus was 3.2%. Of that 3.2% 5% required intubation.
I can’t for the life of me find this study now. I think this figures though sound about right though. If 50% of those tubed die we arrive at a CFR of 0.08% for that age group.
all in all it makes this virus quite a bit more deadly for the young than flu. But again many of the deaths will be in vulnerable groups.
Yes I am really concerned about your country. I saw a video of a doctor from India yesterday. According to him the hope was in the temperatures, that maybe the Virus would not thrive as much in the heat.
Watching all the long columns of emigrant workers walking home to their villages and hometowns, seems like a recipe for disaster
I hope I am wrong. But you are so many people, living so crowded.. And can not possibly get enough ventilators etc.. :/Actually I think Europe will be one of the continents less damaged by this when this all is over. Africa, mid-east, India, the poorer crowded nations of different parts of asia and South America will propably fare less well. China will be interesting, as to how they will keep the infections from flaring up again until the vaccine comes along.
I'm not sure what it's like now but historically China has always strictly limited the movement of people within its own borders. If they still maintain some level of control over that it may limit the spread of the disease within the country.
I personally find statements with such hindsight always problematic. Even if they would have banned flights, what about travel by land or sea? What about the huge amounts of goods that arrived daily in the European ports until just recently? Anyone who thinks that cutting off China from the entire rest of the world and all of its lasting (especially economic) consequenses before the virus arrived in Europe of the US would not have been met with immense outrage by the people and corperations is kidding themselves. There are still people who are too stupid to follow simple guide lines with Corvid killing thousands of people on the European mainland. Measurements as drastic as this without the understanding of the gravity of the situation in the population have little to no chance to succeed.
There have undoubtly been costly mistakes by governments around the globe. Johnson and Co. sitting on their thumbs while the virus was already running rampant in Italy and Spain or the Buffon in the White House first massively downplaying the danger and then flip flopping between war rhetoric and stumbling over his own words every sentence being two prime examples, but to think that the whole thing could have been largely prevented is just unrealistic.
Even then it’s doubtful it would have worked considering so many infections are asymptomatic and it’s therefore likely there were thousands of carriers around the world before the virus was identified.
That is probably right. Without knowing current outcome which is bound to get much worse it would have been hard to justify it.
That's true to some extent but if I'm not mistaken asymptomatic carriers are far less contagious. And the point was more about China's borders being the only borders actually relevant but you are correct nonetheless, even in the case of China from mid December it was already way too late.
Yes you are propably correct. They do have this Grid system and the reporting system (although it did not work in Wuhan due to local govt being afraid of Beijing). But all of this relies on the same error from Wuhan not being repeated. I guess Beijing have told the local governments what will happen to them if they fail to report though
The likes of James O'Brien show are a tough tough listen right now. Money isn't really anything in the grand scheme of things but i hope there's a big bonus coming our medics way after this.
Some of the front line stories shared on it of deaths caused (or potentially caused) due to delays in how to treat suspected patients and PPE confusion. Awfully harrowing.
Some of the front line stories shared on it of deaths caused (or potentially caused) due to delays in how to treat suspected patients and PPE confusion. Awfully harrowing.
Lombardy just posted the lowest number of new cases since 13th March. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
8300 doctors infected and 63 dead, although for anybody reading this and working in hospitals, an awful lot of these cases/deaths seem to be family GPs, at least the ones that get reported.
8300 doctors infected and 63 dead, although for anybody reading this and working in hospitals, an awful lot of these cases/deaths seem to be family GPs, at least the ones that get reported.
Hopefully this continues.
https://opros.co.uk/
It's quite stark how the three big cheek-kissing countries in Europe (Italy, France and Spain) are suffering so badly.
The UK numbers are still awful, but seem to be slowing down. I don't want to get my hope up too much. There's a bit of a levelling off in the last few days, but the same thing happened about a week ago.
It's quite stark how the three big cheek-kissing countries in Europe (Italy, France and Spain) are suffering so badly.
The UK numbers are still awful, but seem to be slowing down. I don't want to get my hope up too much. There's a bit of a levelling off in the last few days, but the same thing happened about a week ago.
The president of the German Medical Association expects first schools to reopen in May while those in Corona hotspots will have to remain closed much longer. More interstingly, he claims that by Easter, Germany will have enough capacity to treat 5.6 million infected patients.
Edit: Seems he now longer holds that position. He is the chairman of the World Medical Association now.
Edit: Seems he now longer holds that position. He is the chairman of the World Medical Association now.
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Germans seem quite good at coronavirus.