Why do you say that?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Here you have to wear plastic disposable gloves in the supermarkets.
You don't know who has washed their hands before they go around touching all the food and packaging in the store. If you make everybody wear gloves at least you know those grubby hands won't be placing the virus on a tin of beans where it can sit waiting until the next person picks it up. Even if you wash your hands when you get home and after unpacking everything, the virus could still be there when you take the can out of the cupboard to eat it.
Ouch. And we reckon Johnson is bad. It could be worse, Macron might be in charge. BBC are reporting that French death figures are underestimated. Reason is that Covid 19 deaths that occur in hospital are recorded in daily figures but not those dying in care homes/retirement homes. Indications are that French figures have been seriously under reported. Very sad and worrying. Does highlight that it is almost impossible to compare data between countries.
Sounds like a false sense of security to me. People are going to contaminate the gloves putting them on. Some will still touch their face etc.
Spain +812 in the past day to a total of 7,340 deaths.
Confirmed cases +6,398 people since Sunday. 85,195 total cases now.
Confirmed cases +6,398 people since Sunday. 85,195 total cases now.
Just to bump this again. This video is excellent for explaining the agency you have in not catching the coronavirus, whilst not downplaying the significance of the pandemic, nor downplaying the complications you could get if you develop COVID-19. It goes through everything from hand sanitising, wearing any sort of mask both out and about, as well as when self isolating in the home.
Follow the rules and you and your family should be fine.
This video is excellent for explaining the agency you have in not catching the coronavirus, whilst not downplaying the significance of the pandemic, nor downplaying the complications you could get if you develop COVID-19. It goes through everything from hand sanitising, wearing any sort of mask both out and about, as well as when self isolating in the home.
Follow the rules and you are massively pushing the odds in your favour that you and your family should be fine.
The UK could be the same. When the UK Department of Health report the total deaths, they state "Of those hospitalised in the UK, x have sadly died."
I guess countries might only report those who died in hospital because they would still need to test those who died outside for Corona which could take extra time?
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The poster he quoted said “people will forget about it in two weeks”, regarding the virus. 3 months ago. He’s also admitted he was very wrong.
This guy is just recycling a pathetic jab that 3 or 4 others have already done to him. Nothing worthwhile.
Comparing mortality with other known killers is a really flawed way to put this in perspective. Yes, more people will be killed on the roads. Yes, more people will die from heart disease. So what? Those people will still die. What this pandemic means is that a bunch of people - including young people - will die who would otherwise be fine.
I do get your point about agency. There are measures to be taken which can reduce the chance of being infected. I hope everyone will take them.What annoys me though are young people who think that being infected poses no significant risk. This is just wrong. Plus it feeds into the shitty, selfish attitude that saw so many young people still gathering in groups and cramming into pubs for as long as they possibly could. Feck those guys. If they're shit scared now that's great. Took them far too long but I'm glad they got there in the end.
What's the policy of the care homes there once a patient gets it?
You could well be right mind you were coffins turning up at care homes in the UK in the sort of numbers as they are being reported in France I reckon we would have heard about it by now. I do accept though, given we are a few days behind France that we sadly might catch up
Fair enough.
Cummings in self isolation after becoming symptomatic: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...navirus-live-rate-infection-lockdown-covid-19
Also Tom Hanks.
Also Tom Hanks.
So has Tom Hanks caught it again?
You can get weekly figures here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...nalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
Not sure if there's a resource for the daily figure.
Edit - You can get historical daily data for the years 2015 through 2018 here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ilydeathsenglandandwales2015to2018occurrences
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What a weird post. People dying outside of hospitals aren't diagnozed immediately(if they are at all), it's the case everywhere, so logcailly you can't have accurate daily figures. That particular stat should be available this week. And by the way it has nothing to do with Macron or Johnson.
No idea.
The body representing nursing homes are meeting with the health minister today in advance of specific measures being introduced for that sector, so hopefully that has an impact.
Hearing rumours of a few cases in Wuhan too.
Not that I can see.
In the UK, if a patient gets it they won't take them to hospital as they will just send them straight back. So the staff will treat them with injectables and fluids but won't obviously have ventilators (unless the nursing/care home have them but doubtful), so unless they can fight it on their own they'll be left to die. My Father-in-Law is in a nursing home due to having a couple of really bad strokes and has been in hospital with chest problems a fair few times. I'm dreading it getting in the nursing homes here, it's a ticking time bomb.
Some will, but none of the measures in place anywhere in the world are aimed at completely eliminating reproduction. It is just trying to layer these measures on top of each other to reduce it below 1.
Being slightly picky with this, I thought the germs lasted longer in a hard surface (gloves) for hours but only 5-10 minutes on skin.
It’s more likely people will Keep their disposable gloves on Too long and actually be carrying all kinds of germs and virus on them.
What I’m trying to say is, even though those in The supermarket are wearing gloves I’d say that’s no better THan not wearing gloves, possibly worse.
I put hand gel on before I put the gloves on.
No. He flew back to the US a couple of days ago and is in the same isolation as everybody else.
The most important thing with gloves is to make sure your hands are freshly washed and you haven't touched anything else before putting them on. Most people don't seem to get that they are putting their germs all over the gloves when they put them on..
Thanks, ends on 13 March, be interesting to see the data for upto now, the deaths upto 13 March appear to be average, but that was roughly the start of all this for us?
If everybody puts gloves on when they enter the store the virus doesn't find its way on to the packaging in the first place. It's a barrier between you and whatever you touch, in both directions. Plus, with weird plastic gloves on you are far less likely to touch your face.
By the same logic, why wear gloves at all? Even in a hospital.
Nah, lost it and taking time to get replaced due to the virus. Take 999 calls. M&S have already said they’ll let me in with my blue light card, which is fantastic, but that’s the most expensive one.
I don't think this issue is thought about enough. All very well making a shit-load of ventilators but you might as well be making vacuum cleaners for all the good they'll do without properly trained, qualified personnel to use them.
I'm sure that I've seen some maching that goes into a room and uses UV light to sterilise the whole room in minutes. Did I dream that or is it viable tech? Can UV be made portable and put into devices that can be used widely?
Americans should be listening to him. He and his wife have had it, know it isn't a joke and are now being sensible about staying indoors..
I work in construction and have sites in and around London and the south east. Like many other industries we are in turmoil but we seem to be caught between the devil and the deep blue because we are being encouraged to continue working.
I am receiving emails this morning informing that different sites are both closing and remaining open. One has even closed and then reopened a few days later.
50% of our eastern European workforce, approx. 30 men, flew home 2 weeks ago and we're not sure they'll ever come back. Those that have remained have been travelling into work on busy tube trains and we now have approximately 5 men self isolating. The remaining workforce continues to work in central London but are asking for much more money for all day parking. I have told them I can't afford to pay it (Approx' £25-30 per day par man). I suspect they will try to get back to their countries of origin.
A consultant surveyor I have known and employed for years caught the Virus about two weeks ago and has been in a coma in hospital for ten days. His condition has slowly deteriorated to the point where he now has multiple organ failure.
Many people in the industry in London are either infected or carrying the virus. This should have been stopped weeks ago but the Government failed to act and unbelievably the sites are still open.
It feels like the Government have left us to get infected and to infect others.
I am receiving emails this morning informing that different sites are both closing and remaining open. One has even closed and then reopened a few days later.
50% of our eastern European workforce, approx. 30 men, flew home 2 weeks ago and we're not sure they'll ever come back. Those that have remained have been travelling into work on busy tube trains and we now have approximately 5 men self isolating. The remaining workforce continues to work in central London but are asking for much more money for all day parking. I have told them I can't afford to pay it (Approx' £25-30 per day par man). I suspect they will try to get back to their countries of origin.
A consultant surveyor I have known and employed for years caught the Virus about two weeks ago and has been in a coma in hospital for ten days. His condition has slowly deteriorated to the point where he now has multiple organ failure.
Many people in the industry in London are either infected or carrying the virus. This should have been stopped weeks ago but the Government failed to act and unbelievably the sites are still open.
It feels like the Government have left us to get infected and to infect others.
But it will find its way on the packaging. As soon as that person wearing gloves picks their nose or wipes their mouth or coughs into gloved hand
Gloves may stop you personally getting something on your hands but it sure as shit doesn’t stop the spreading of it
Edit: also, am I right about it lasting Hours or days on hard surfaces (gloves) and only 5-10 minutes on skin. I can’t find where I seen that Info now, there’s so much about.
What’s your thoughts on that
My next door neighbour (who works for the NHS) continues to drive to places to go for walks, despite the fact we live right next to so many great walking locations. She's thick as mince.
That's a shame, he has underlying health issues too.
So lucky to have the wilderness on your doorstepI use single use gloves when I go to buy food. Only so that when I am finished, I take of the gloves and throw them in a bin, and if I then forget myself and touch my eyes (which is an old habbit of mine) then I at least do not have anything on my hands. Other than that, little use for the gloves.
Here in Norway nobody have been able to buy personal PPE or hand sanitizer since this began, it was hoarded in one day and we produce so little ourselves, having outsourced so much of our industries. I think it would have made a huge difference if people could actually get their hands on protective equipment.
For me the only risk is when I go to the supermarket, otherwise many healthcare workers aming my relatives so I do not see my sister or brother etc.
When it comes to the Covid-19 not being airborne. Yes, not airborne. BUT.. it is kind of borne on air. Studys have earlier showed that air in closed small compartments like toilets etc, where an infected has been can be contagious, also that other cases can appear where covid-19 aerosols can be blown up and into the air, from for example a toilet being flushed or other different scenarios. Of course hospitals have the worst of these scenarios with all the respirator equipment and infected patients, but I do think one should be really careful in small shops with air circulation keeping the air moving, or small compartments like small toilet rooms at gas stations and shops.
When it comes to shopping, we all know Covid-19 can survive for a long time on plastic, and most foodproducts are packed in plastic so disinfecting those, especially when living in a really conatimated area, should be done imo. Also fruit. Some people do touch the fruits to turn them over and see if they are rotten or have marks. So I avoid fruits, if they are not packed in bags. In my local shop they now pack oranges in plastic bags to avoid this. Apples though, not, so I have stopped buying them.
I also found out that I am allergic to soap perfumeHad to buy new soap, since all the washing made my hands look like a crater
I am so lucky to live in the outskirts of my town below the forrest and mountain here, so during the summer I am going to spend a lot of time in the wilderness, picking berries and mushrooms and spending a lot of time out in the wild with my son, camping in tent, fishing etc. No people to meet far out in the wilds. Just have to wait for the snow to begone and the temperatures to rise a bit
Nearly all Poles I know who work in UK have now returned home to get free medical help here if needed. They'll stay here until late May at least It kind of annoys me because they are the same people who look down at those living here permanently bragging about their amazing British salaries (usually inflating them by 50% minimum when speaking about it). Now all of a sudden they all feel like they belong here again because their amazing salaries is not enough to afford a basic medical package in England.
Yea totally.