SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Truth is nobody knows at this point unless we can say with confidence how many have it without any symptoms. Could be that you need to multiply the number of cases by 20 to get to correct number, could be that the amount of symptomless cases is small and the numbers are right. It’ll be a while before we know. Hopefully the former is true.
We don't know the exact number, but scientists have been trying to estimate the number of asymptomatic cases since the beginning, and almost all say it's less than 1/3 of patients (most of them are in the link I've posted above). [The media has been running the Oxford story as a feel good narrative, but they clearly state they just wanted to model what would happen if only 0.1% of infected people get very sick].
 
Supposedly at least 5 houses in our estate have had medics in hazmat suits removing people.
I am not leaving the fecking house
A nursing home where a friend of my mam works in has possibly been infected after one of the carer's came in for OT after being off all week with the "flu", this carer hasn't been seen since the OT which was last weekend my mams friend is in isolation now, but her husband has cancer. If it's positive there will be a lot of deaths.
 
Meanwhile in Tampa...
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/fl...fter-pastor-promises-he-can-cure-coronavirus/
Apparently they think they have 13 machines they kills every virus. Last miracle device I saw bought off the Internet was Uncle Rico and his time machine.

Not just religious idiots either. Tampa riverwalk and Davis Island park were packed today.

Con men like that Pastor should be arrested for preying on the desperate and the stupid at a time like this.
 
1000 deaths a day in the US? Surely not.

It'll be chaos.

Are his statistics. Usually I found them a bit off so I don't think so neither in just 3-4 days. But for sure US, if they keep following their current policies, will surpase 1000 and even 2000 deaths per day eventually

Italy and Spain are almost there and they have 7-8 times less population than US
 
Are his statistics. Usually I found them a bit off so I don't think so neither in just 3-4 days. But for sure US, if they keep following their current policies, will surpase 1000 and even 2000 deaths per day eventually

Italy and Spain are almost there and they have 7-8 times less population than US
that's a steep curve (daily death rate). Grim

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
 
If it is air borne, I doubt if it will just be coughing and sneezing.
To see what you normally can't see, people's breath, watch cold weather breathing or vaping videos.
Moist breath travel more than you may think.

Agreed but distancing will vastly reduce aerosol mediated infections. Good hygiene will help to reduce contact infections.
 

It's incredible to be able to watch this unfold like this, however you want to look at it. It is the first time in history that the public have been able to see this kind of insight into the spread of a virus like this. Scary and fascinating in equal measures.

I wonder how much impact Spanish Flu would have had in 1918 if the world had the same kinds of communication technology we have today. Makes me wonder if this is worse or not given it seems to be the comparison being drawn all the time.
 
But we had immunity to some degree the second time around in 2009. That said the Spanish Flu may have killed so many due to the poor and crowded conditions but it seems likely that the lack of immunity played a big part.
Not clear if the Spanish flu in 1918 was novel or not. There are some theories that H1N1 was with us before that (and could be a reason why it targeted less the old people).

Agree about your other point about the immunity in 2009. In fact, the flu shot is to protect against 3 different flu viruses (avian influenza viruses H1N1, H3N2, and human virus influenza type B). I don't know for sure, but I guess that 2009 version was just an ultra-contagious strain of H1N1, but the virus has been infecting us for at least a century, so we have good immunity against it be it cause of vaccines, or for having been infected in the past.
 
Not clear if the Spanish flu in 1918 was novel or not. There are some theories that H1N1 was with us before that (and could be a reason why it targeted less the old people).

Agree about your other point about the immunity in 2009. In fact, the flu shot is to protect against 3 different flu viruses (avian influenza viruses H1N1, H3N2, and human virus influenza type B). I don't know for sure, but I guess that 2009 version was just an ultra-contagious strain of H1N1, but the virus has been infecting us for at least a century, so we have good immunity against it be it cause of vaccines, or for having been infected in the past.

I'm also really hoping that this virus rapidly evolves to be less harmful as often happens.
 
It's incredible to be able to watch this unfold like this, however you want to look at it. It is the first time in history that the public have been able to see this kind of insight into the spread of a virus like this. Scary and fascinating in equal measures.

I wonder how much impact Spanish Flu would have had in 1918 if the world had the same kinds of communication technology we have today. Makes me wonder if this is worse or not given it seems to be the comparison being drawn all the time.
You are right. I am a bit obsessed with it since January, so much numbers and analisis
 
Why? We have been using a variant for a couple of weeks

I don't think that any measure of control that most likely will stay is a good idea. And yes, I know we already have instruments of control, but I don't want even more
 
Once the F1 teams starting getting involved you just knew some solutions would quickly emerge -

 
Although they are very efficient sadly they cost 3.6 million quid each ;)

Definitely worth it though considering from the point you arrive in the hospital, to the point you have your clothes off, gown on, mask on and cannula in your arm, the nurse is zig zagging you down the corridor to keep the trolley tires warm as you join the rest of the grid in under 6.4 seconds.
 
The primary method of spread is almost certainly droplets from coughs and sneezing (rare symptom with Covid-19) with aerosol and contact infections being much rarer BUT still highly important to protect against.

In terms of asymptomatic people being infectious I think it is safe to say they are even if they are less of a risk due to not coughing but they will also be more likely to be out and about shopping etc during which they can touch things and potentially infect others.
In addition, just realized that these people could also have seasonal allergies that leads to sneezing - I know my allergies have already started since last week.
 
We've been able to reopen our Port Harcourt office and warehouse this evening after closing it on Thursday when one of our Loaders started with with a crazily high fever.

The Croatian Doctor who works for one of our biggest customers there, assures us that our colleague's symptoms which caused us to close it as a precaution are '' only malaria ''

Anyone who's ever had a bout of malaria might disagree with the word '' only '' but without proper testing facilities it's only a conclusion rather then actual proof, although at least malaria is treatable, Thank Goodness.
Malaria gave me the worst fever headaches in my entire life so far, it's a shit diseases but like you said, very easily treatable.
 
X-axis: Number of infected per 100,000 inhabitants
Y-axis: Number of deaths per 100,000 inhabitants
Numbers above the flags tell how many days number of infected/deaths recently needed to double

 
Taiwan already uses it. People wonder how they managed to keep it under control despite being right next to China, this is how.
The authorities have been using anonymised data to track where people are gathering, but there are worries that it's not too hard to "unanonymise" it. This article's from 11 days ago.
Vodafone Group Plc said in a statement that it is handing Italian officials anonymized customer data relating to the movement of people in the Lombardy area. In this region, where the effects of COVID-19 have been especially virulent, some lockdowns have been in place since February 21.

In Austria, the nation's largest telecommunications network operator Telekom Austria AG has said it's giving anonymized cell phone data to authorities. In neighboring Germany, health tsar Lothar Wieler said Deutsche Telekom was offering up data on whether people are heeding pleas to remain home as much as possible.

Wieler, who is president of the Robert Koch Institute, said on Wednesday: "If people remain as mobile as they were until a week ago, it will be difficult to contain the virus."

The Israeli government began deploying cellphone-monitoring technology to track its citizens on Tuesday after issuing directives to the public to stay at home.

Emergency regulations that enable the Shin Bet internal security service to tap into cellular data to retrace the movements of people infected with COVID-19 were approved by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet.

Meanwhile, China, Taiwan, South Korea, and Vietnam are all using data derived from cell phones and apps to keep tabs on the locations of people who have tested positive for COVID-19.
https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/coronavirus-triggers-location/
 
Interesting video how this New York doctor says most get covid19 through touching their face after touching surfaces or shaking hands and not airborne droplets, it's droplets that have landed or have been put on things like door handles.


I've been really careful from the start and wear gloves out to the shops, this reminds me to not touch my face, not worry about the amount of hands and coughs on the shopping trolley handle and I can also slide the gloves off when getting into the car and not cross contaminate the steering wheel, gear stick and handles, keys etc and leave food packages for days or clean them or open with scissors. Hand sanitize is like rocking horse shit.

Of course the NY doctor says standing close to someone for a sustained time you can get this.
 
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The authorities have been using anonymised data to track where people are gathering, but there are worries that it's not too hard to "unanonymise" it. This article's from 11 days ago.

https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/coronavirus-triggers-location/
Interesting. Here's the article I read a few days ago, they use it to keep track of all arrivals and to enforce the mandatory quarantine. Seems like there's no anonymity at all!

I did not expect two police officers to come knocking at my door at 08:15 when I was still asleep in my bed on Sunday morning.

My phone briefly ran out of battery at 07:30, and in less than an hour, four different local administrative units had called. A patrol was dispatched to check my whereabouts. A text was sent notifying that the government had lost track of me, and warned me of potential arrest if I had broken quarantine.

I returned to Taiwan last Thursday to experience the island's zero-risk take on coronavirus.

Since I was coming back from Europe, I am subjected to a mandatory 14 days home quarantine. Before I had my passport checked, I had to pass through a booth set up by the Ministry of Health and Welfare. I filled out a document detailing places I had visited in the last fortnight, my phone number, landline and address. They notified me that my phone would be "satellite-tracked" for enforcement.

The level of precaution taken in Taiwan is nothing like what I saw in Europe.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52017993
 
My best friends grandmother has been in the hospital for a few days now. She's 89 and has corona. In the service flats she lives in, +20 people were infected, 4 have already passed away. Crap. Doesn't look good.
 
Italy and Spain are near that. I’d be surprised if US are not double that at some point.

And the rest. Italy's daily new case record is 6,500, Spain's is 8,500. The US is routinely adding 20,000 a day and they're only just getting going. They will be far worse.

The only way they're not is if they start fiddling the numbers somehow.
 
And the rest. Italy's daily new case record is 6,500, Spain's is 8,500. The US is routinely adding 20,000 a day and they're only just getting going. They will be far worse.

The only way they're not is if they start fiddling the numbers somehow.

Well it all depends how well they protect their elderly, Italy especially and even Spain are some of the worst places for that due to the fact that people leave home on average aged 30 in Italy for example.
Keeping the elderly isolated is the biggest key here to keeping the death rate down.
 
Interesting video how this New York doctor says most get covid19 through touching their face after touching surfaces or shaking hands and not airborne droplets, it's droplets that have landed or have been put on things like door handles.


I've been really careful from the start and wear gloves out to the shops, this reminds me to not touch my face, not worry about the amount of hands and coughs on the shopping trolley handle and I can also slide the gloves off when getting into the car and not cross contaminate the steering wheel, gear stick and handles, keys etc and leave food packages for days or clean them or open with scissors. Hand sanitize is like rocking horse shit.

Of course the NY doctor says standing close to someone for a sustained time you can get this.

Thanks for sharing the video. One of the most clear and knowledgeable piece of info posted in this thread.