Hope he pulls through ffs.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Hope he pulls through ffs.
My German in-laws reckon he knows something around the German death rates being massively understated - people dying through COVID-19 are having their cuase of death stated as being whatever was their existing / underlying health problem and which explains the almost unbelieveble low death rate there.
14.3% in the US (age 20-49) as of March 23rd according to this: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21190033/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-age
Is testing going up to 25k/day next week or will we have to wait until middle of April for that?
Yes, he made a particularly unpleasant and sexist comment about a Eurovision contestant.
They're also cnuts
I can't bring myself to check the Express, just so I can tut at them.That’s down to selection bias. People who have severe symptoms are much more likely to be tested. To know the true % of those who were hospitalised you’d need to know how many people actually have it not just those who tested positive.
Presumably they’re mainly testing people who are coming in with symptoms though surely? I can’t see why that would or could give you an artificially inflated young person number.
They are putting the death rate according to the bbc at between 0.5% and 1%.
Some countries are much higher because they only test the people who have it bad.
Eh? What are you on about? Nothing I’ve said is remotely hysterical. I’m stating facts. I’m not sure where you got your stats, I think they’re a bit off but whatever, let’s assume they’re correct.
If you’re not frightened about catching a virus that gives you roughly 1 in 20 (using your stats) chance of ending up so fecked you need to be admitted to a (completely overwhelmed) hospital and hooked up to oxygen, to keep you alive, then that’s fine. Well done you.
My advice to anyone else of your age would be that it’s ok to be scared about that sort of risk. It’s normal. So don’t listen to idiots who try to tell you that your rational fear is “hysterical doom-mongering”.
I think every country would do well to randomly select a reasonable sample of its population and administer tests on them. That's pretty much the only way to getting reliable and consistent data to use in epidemiological models.
I don’t think young people with mild symptoms are going to the hospital to be tested in the UK. The advice is to stay at home and self isolate.
You will be remembered for your posting during this.
My wife takes an ACE inhibitor called Lisinopril. Does this mean that she is automatically in a higher risk group? I've told her to contact her doctor ASAP to find out but thought I'd ask here too seeing as we have experts.
@Arruda
@Arruda
I'm 30 and I'm terrified of this thing. No matter which way you swing it, my chances of being extremely sick have significantly increased because of this thing. The faster we develop a vaccine for this thing the better.
Read this:
https://www.escardio.org/Councils/C...cil-on-hypertension-on-ace-inhibitors-and-ang
To my knowledge, their position on this hasn't changed. I'll let you know if I find otherwise.
He's clearly not one of the forum's sharper minds is he bloody hell!
You know it's bad when you're the one giving out to the WUMs.
Yeah exactly.
Two big schools in Michigan that probably just had a lot of students go to Florida for spring break. All those returning would go through Detroit.
I'm pissed off with the amount of Americans I know on Facebook not taking this seriously and bringing up Swine Flu all the time.
Wouldn't count on it. They said about a month ago we were going to be testing 10k a day.
That's interesting, and the replies from @Arruda and @Pexbo , thanks both. I take an ACE inhibitor, and a calcium blocker too. They keep my blood pressure low and stable, so I'll settle for that until told otherwise. My hypertension is hereditary, I've gone through every lifestyle/diet option, it takes medication to lower it.
Yes thanks, I'd read something else like that. I guess what I'm wondering is even with using the medication I assume she is higher-risk just because of her condition? I don't know much about hypertension whether there are levels of it or you just have it or you don't.
Biased by testing. The countries that have good testing stats suggest it is low risk.
no not 1 in 20. 5% of the 3.2 % end up tubed.
Hope so, it'll help me show I've been right.
The 13 deaths in a Würzburg nursing home were all 80+ and for sure all had underlying other problems...
If you want to find a reason...
In Germany only 1200 females and 1300 males that were/are tested infected are 80+!
Until now Germany did very well to keep the virus spreading into that age group. And there is no big city that seems to be a hotspot for the virus.
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I doubt that we can take the numbers of China to judge projections about deaths in Europe - just take as example obesity rates in different coutries. Or acquired immunity to different kind of drugs.
In general I think the problem with hypertension is when people don't know they have it, or it's known but can't be treated. Hopefully Mrs Grins has it under control. Happy to be corrected by the likes of @Arruda though.
You mean if I'd just called her an obese cnut I wouldn't have had the five points ??
I'll know next time....
The stats I used were from Ireland, which has much higher testing per capita than the UK. I'm not sure what you mean by "good testing stats" in that context.
Yes it's definitely under control thanks to the medication. Like you it's hereditary but being over-weight is something she can control so I think this virus is abaout as good a motivator for a diet and exercise programme as one could hope for. I'm running and doing a bunch of exercise myself so I'm taking it seriously.
There are grades of hypertension, which determine the treatment. And most pre-existing systemic condition like diabetes, hypertension, etc, will make the person higher-risk.
How to stratify it and quantify it is the problem, and will likely take some time until research can start ironing out tgese things. Presumably someone with well-controlled hypertension will be at lower risk.
I must state that I have little clinical experience in comparison with most doctors, as I have spent most of my short career in Pathology (cancer - and other selected diseases - diagnosis). I'm also not very up-to-date in Covid-19 treatment or other clinical aspects of the disease. I've mostly focused on epidemiology and Public Health policy.
Started working last Friday on vigilance teams, so as I get more and more in depth (and "insider") knowledge of the situation in Azores, I also have less time to focus on global aspects of the disease.
I appreciate your efforts as do the rest of us.
Like I said, I've stressed that she contact her own doctor to find out what her risk-level is. It sounds to me like it's not something to stress about.
Jaysus man, know when to wind your neck in
You're right.
My sense of humour isn't always on the same wavelength as some of the Mods....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52035604
To be tested in Ireland now you’d need to have two major symptoms so there’s likely thousands of people with mild cases who were never tested and recovered. I’ve also read that potentially 20-50% of cases may be asymptomatic.
Studies reveals that Covid-10 is found in urine, feces and blood. Although at this stage nobody knows if you can get high enough viral loads to get infected through any of these, it seems it can't be ruled out either.
A statement in a Norwegian newspaper about the topic:
"Doctor and specialist in medical microbiology, Péter A. Csángó, believe it is important not to rule out the dangers of the possibility that the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2 can infect via feces. A thorough scientific approach is required. If the virus infects via feces, one must look to what extent it infects through water, says Csángó. ..And - if it does infect via water, just imagine the consequence, he adds."
I add the norwegian article as source to verify that this is not something I made up, also another link from JAMA that shows they have found Covid-19 in urine, blood and feces.
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/finner-viruset-i-avforing/72295964
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762997
Still a lot we do not know about this virus. Hopefully viral loads is not high enough to infect through water contamination etc, but one should at least be very wary of toilets, imo.
A statement in a Norwegian newspaper about the topic:
"Doctor and specialist in medical microbiology, Péter A. Csángó, believe it is important not to rule out the dangers of the possibility that the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2 can infect via feces. A thorough scientific approach is required. If the virus infects via feces, one must look to what extent it infects through water, says Csángó. ..And - if it does infect via water, just imagine the consequence, he adds."
I add the norwegian article as source to verify that this is not something I made up, also another link from JAMA that shows they have found Covid-19 in urine, blood and feces.
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/finner-viruset-i-avforing/72295964
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762997
Still a lot we do not know about this virus. Hopefully viral loads is not high enough to infect through water contamination etc, but one should at least be very wary of toilets, imo.
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Yes, that is the case since the 25th. The stats I posted were released on the 26th, collated from all the tests prior to the change in criteria.
What's happened to Italy's stats after the 20th?