SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)


UK Dates​
UK Deaths​
Italy Dates​
Italy Deaths​
Spain Dates​
Spain Deaths​
France Dates​
France Deaths​
March 8th​
3​
Feb 23rd​
3​
March 5th​
3​
March 2nd​
3​
March 9th​
5​
Feb 24th​
7​
March 6th​
8​
March 3rd​
4​
March 10th​
6​
Feb 25th​
11​
March 7th​
10​
March 4th​
4​
March 11th​
8​
Feb 26th​
12​
March 8th​
17​
March 5th​
7​
March 12th​
10​
Feb 27th​
17​
March 9th​
30​
March 6th​
9​
March 13th​
11​
Feb 28th​
21​
March 10th​
36​
March 7th​
16​
March 14th​
21​
Feb 29th​
29​
March 11th​
55​
March 8th​
19​
March 15th​
35​
March 1st​
41​
March 12th​
86​
March 9th​
30​
March 16th​
55​
March 2nd​
52​
March 13th​
133​
March 10th​
33​
March 17th​
71​
March 3rd​
79​
March 14th​
196​
March 11th​
48​
March 18th​
104​
March 4th​
107​
March 15th​
294​
March 12th​
61​
March 19th​
144​
March 5th​
148​
March 16th​
342​
March 13th​
79​
March 20th​
177​
March 6th​
197​
March 17th​
533​
March 14th​
91​
March 21st​
233​
March 7th​
233​
March 18th​
638​
March 15th​
127​
March 22nd​
281​
March 8th​
366​
March 19th​
833​
March 16th​
148​
March 23rd​
335​
March 9th​
463​
March 20th​
1,093​
March 17th​
175​
March 24th​
422​
March 10th​
631​
March 21st​
1,381​
March 18th​
244​
March 25th​
468​
March 11th​
827​
March 22nd​
1,813​
March 19th​
372​
March 26th​
578​
March 12th​
1,016​
March 23rd​
2,207​
March 20th​
450​
March 27th​
759​
March 13th​
1,266​
March 24th​
2,696​
March 21st​
562​
March 28th​
1,019​
March 14th​
1,441​
March 25th​
3,434​
March 22nd​
674​
March 15th​
1,809​
March 26th​
4,145​
March 23rd​
860​
March 16th​
2,158​
March 27th​
4,858​
March 24th​
1100​
March 17th​
2,503​
March 28th​
5,690​
March 25th​
1331​
March 18th​
2,978​
March 26th​
1,696​
March 19th​
3,405​
March 27th​
1,995​
March 20th​
4,032​
March 28th​
2,314​



So the number of deaths in the UK has gone up by 43% over the last 2 days. That's both depressing and frightening.
 
I think a) a vaccine is likely to be at least a year away, b) pubs and other businesses aren't going to remain closed for an indefinite amount of time that could also last quite a bit longer than a year and c) at whatever point measures start being lifted pre-vaccine there will still be a lot of people yet to be infected, assuming people can't also be re-infected.

In that sense I'm not sure what "out of the woods" means in this context. Obviously we have to get past this oncoming peak but the problem doesn't go away after that, nor will the world stop until it does. Which means we face some difficult planning in terms of eventually easing current measures.

What I mean is that the pubs aren't going to be opened if we are still in a situation where the health service would be overwhelmed by the remaining people in the country being infected.

They'll be one of the last to open. It would have to be closely managed but they could relax the restrictions in less populated areas first say.

If it takes a year then yes I think the pubs will stay closed for that long. The govt's priority is to save as many lives as possible and ensure the health services can cope. I don't think they'll just drop the restrictions if it means all hell will break lose as far as the health services are concerned regardless of how long it takes.
 
Rich people mainly.

I know you're taking a swipe, but Is there some truth in this? Ie are all the pro sport players that will have been tested be included in the stats, all the ones who pay Harley street type clinics be included? I might be naive, but I just find the positive numbers low when the 'average Joe' test must be been restricted to those most likely to have it.
 
France take the death numbers past 30k.

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Wtf is going on with just three people recovered in Netherlands? Especially compared to Belgium who have similar number of confirmed cases.
 


Hmmm, not sure about this. South Korea are the poster children for extreme testing, is their health system that underdeveloped compared to the UK?

I think she’s being quoted out of context. When I watched yesterday, she was responding to an implication that all of the WHO’s comments are directed specifically at the UK. The point she was making is that their guidance is very general and cannot possibly be tailored to the current situation in every country.
 
We live in an area with no confirmed cases, yet my wife has been experiencing shortness of breath for the last 3 days. She doesn't have a cough and also not a fever. Weird. Yet, we now worry she might have it.

Strange times.
You're in SA yeah? Joburg as well? Be safe man. Remember confirmed does not equate to infected.
 
I'm intrigued what happens if the results come back and rather than bringing medics out of self-isolation it results in even more needing to self-isolate.
It wouldn’t work like that with antibody testing - your body develops antibodies 7-10 days at best after contracting most common viruses, so it would effectively be testing if you’re immune or not.

Testing positive would basically mean you’re unlikely to contract the illness, since you’ve already had it. Testing negative (whilst asymptomatic), would just mean you’ve not caught it yet.

Testing negative (whilst symptomatic) would likely warrant another test, as you might just have not developed the antibodies yet.

Once again, this is all assuming we develop a high sensitivity and specificity test.
 
Ive absolutely no problem whatsoever with foreign workers and welcome them if we need them, however you’ve got to ask how we can’t fill 90k jobs at a time when businesses are shutting left right and centre.
A lot of people wouldn't want to pick fruit, because it's minimum wage (if you're lucky) and hard outside work. Things may change.
 
Could somebody explain who they are testing in the UK at the moment? Less than 20 % who have been tested actually have it, yet testing must be been restricted to those most at need, and likely to have it.
We are only testing possible cases who are being admitted to hospital.

If I think a patient could manage at home, we’re not swabbing them, even if it’s a barn-door clinical diagnosis. This seems to solely be because we don’t have the facilities to run a large amount of tests, and would result in further delays in confirming admitted patients.
 
I've just had a look at middle Eastern countries affected. Their deaths are negligible or single digits. Could be lack of management of the issue but then Iran seems to buck that trend and then some. What's going on there then (not Iran, we know about them)?

This is from an Egyptian:

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May be applicable for much of the region, although Turkey, Israel, Lebanon and the Gulf states appear to be relatively transparent (Turkey after reporting nothing for ages) while the likes of Syria, Iraq and Yemen may be a little too chaotic right now for any kind of accurate surveying.
 
I don't actually think I'm a pigeon you know, to base your entire argument on that is a bit daft. It's also daft to not use a bit of common sense when you can go two weeks without showing any symptoms. I know it's difficult for you to understand that because, as you've already asserted; you think I think I'm a bird.

It's EXTREMELY daft to get so uppity about the whole thing as well so I recommend you spend a couple of weeks thinking about why you're so defensive all the time on this forum. Preferably indoors and maintaining six feet of distance between you and others.

Six is the number after you've counted all the fingers one hand, just in case you're struggling. Again; I'm not an actual bird. Please try and remember that.

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant :lol:
 
This is from an Egyptian:

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May be applicable for much of the region, although Turkey, Israel, Lebanon and the Gulf states appear to be relatively transparent (Turkey after reporting nothing for ages) while the likes of Syria, Iraq and Yemen may be a little too chaotic right now for any kind of accurate surveying.

Some of these places almost certainly don't have the levels of testing required for semi-accurate numbers.
 

UK Dates​
UK Deaths​
Italy Dates​
Italy Deaths​
Spain Dates​
Spain Deaths​
France Dates​
France Deaths​
March 8th​
3​
Feb 23rd​
3​
March 5th​
3​
March 2nd​
3​
March 9th​
5​
Feb 24th​
7​
March 6th​
8​
March 3rd​
4​
March 10th​
6​
Feb 25th​
11​
March 7th​
10​
March 4th​
4​
March 11th​
8​
Feb 26th​
12​
March 8th​
17​
March 5th​
7​
March 12th​
10​
Feb 27th​
17​
March 9th​
30​
March 6th​
9​
March 13th​
11​
Feb 28th​
21​
March 10th​
36​
March 7th​
16​
March 14th​
21​
Feb 29th​
29​
March 11th​
55​
March 8th​
19​
March 15th​
35​
March 1st​
41​
March 12th​
86​
March 9th​
30​
March 16th​
55​
March 2nd​
52​
March 13th​
133​
March 10th​
33​
March 17th​
71​
March 3rd​
79​
March 14th​
196​
March 11th​
48​
March 18th​
104​
March 4th​
107​
March 15th​
294​
March 12th​
61​
March 19th​
144​
March 5th​
148​
March 16th​
342​
March 13th​
79​
March 20th​
177​
March 6th​
197​
March 17th​
533​
March 14th​
91​
March 21st​
233​
March 7th​
233​
March 18th​
638​
March 15th​
127​
March 22nd​
281​
March 8th​
366​
March 19th​
833​
March 16th​
148​
March 23rd​
335​
March 9th​
463​
March 20th​
1,093​
March 17th​
175​
March 24th​
422​
March 10th​
631​
March 21st​
1,381​
March 18th​
244​
March 25th​
468​
March 11th​
827​
March 22nd​
1,813​
March 19th​
372​
March 26th​
578​
March 12th​
1,016​
March 23rd​
2,207​
March 20th​
450​
March 27th​
759​
March 13th​
1,266​
March 24th​
2,696​
March 21st​
562​
March 28th​
1,019​
March 14th​
1,441​
March 25th​
3,434​
March 22nd​
674​
March 15th​
1,809​
March 26th​
4,145​
March 23rd​
860​
March 16th​
2,158​
March 27th​
4,858​
March 24th​
1100​
March 17th​
2,503​
March 28th​
5,690​
March 25th​
1331​
March 18th​
2,978​
March 26th​
1,696​
March 19th​
3,405​
March 27th​
1,995​
March 20th​
4,032​
March 28th​
2,314​





Are you doing this table?

If so, would you mind to include Germany?
 
I think Bolsonaro is becoming politically isolated. Most governors are ignoring him and now a Federal Court forbade him from applying measures against social isolation.
 
This is from an Egyptian:

EUM59CFWoAAAh4E


May be applicable for much of the region, although Turkey, Israel, Lebanon and the Gulf states appear to be relatively transparent (Turkey after reporting nothing for ages) while the likes of Syria, Iraq and Yemen may be a little too chaotic right now for any kind of accurate surveying.

We’ve been extremely transparent (Kuwait) and have been dealing with it excellently. I can categorically say that public opinion of the government at the moment is by far the highest it’s been since I was born (I’m almost 30).

They’ve set up a website that gets updated daily:

https://corona.e.gov.kw/En/
 
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I think Bolsonaro is becoming politically isolated. Most governors are ignoring him and now a Federal Court forbade him from applying measures against social isolation.

He is ridiculous, he makes Trump look like Einstein. Very upset for Brazil.
 
I don't actually think I'm a pigeon you know, to base your entire argument on that is a bit daft. It's also daft to not use a bit of common sense when you can go two weeks without showing any symptoms. I know it's difficult for you to understand that because, as you've already asserted; you think I think I'm a bird.

It's EXTREMELY daft to get so uppity about the whole thing as well so I recommend you spend a couple of weeks thinking about why you're so defensive all the time on this forum. Preferably indoors and maintaining six feet of distance between you and others.

Six is the number after you've counted all the fingers one hand, just in case you're struggling. Again; I'm not an actual bird. Please try and remember that.
:lol:
 
I don't actually think I'm a pigeon you know, to base your entire argument on that is a bit daft. It's also daft to not use a bit of common sense when you can go two weeks without showing any symptoms. I know it's difficult for you to understand that because, as you've already asserted; you think I think I'm a bird.

It's EXTREMELY daft to get so uppity about the whole thing as well so I recommend you spend a couple of weeks thinking about why you're so defensive all the time on this forum. Preferably indoors and maintaining six feet of distance between you and others.

Six is the number after you've counted all the fingers one hand, just in case you're struggling. Again; I'm not an actual bird. Please try and remember that.
:lol:
 
Are you doing this table?

If so, would you mind to include Germany?

I was playing around with the data earlier and you can see it here as a graph or table, and switch between total cases, active cases and deaths. It's those 4 European countries + USA, Iran and South Korea for balance.
 
I don't actually think I'm a pigeon you know, to base your entire argument on that is a bit daft. It's also daft to not use a bit of common sense when you can go two weeks without showing any symptoms. I know it's difficult for you to understand that because, as you've already asserted; you think I think I'm a bird.

It's EXTREMELY daft to get so uppity about the whole thing as well so I recommend you spend a couple of weeks thinking about why you're so defensive all the time on this forum. Preferably indoors and maintaining six feet of distance between you and others.

Six is the number after you've counted all the fingers one hand, just in case you're struggling. Again; I'm not an actual bird. Please try and remember that.

:lol:
 
We are only testing possible cases who are being admitted to hospital.

If I think a patient could manage at home, we’re not swabbing them, even if it’s a barn-door clinical diagnosis. This seems to solely be because we don’t have the facilities to run a large amount of tests, and would result in further delays in confirming admitted patients.

At the risk of sounding an idiot, if you are turning away 'barn-door' cases from testing, and only testing those who are been admitted in to hospital becasue they are suspected of having it, and deemed so serious they need hospital care, then why are 80 % plus testing negative, what are they actually suffering from instead?
 
At the risk of sounding an idiot, if you are turning away 'barn-door' cases from testing, and only testing those who are been admitted in to hospital becasue they are suspected of having it, and deemed so serious they need hospital care, then why are 80 % plus testing negative, what are they actually suffering from instead?

For a large part it's people with complications due to the flu.
 
At the risk of sounding an idiot, if you are turning away 'barn-door' cases from testing, and only testing those who are been admitted in to hospital becasue they are suspected of having it, and deemed so serious they need hospital care, then why are 80 % plus testing negative, what are they actually suffering from instead?
A 50 year old with no past medical history presenting with the symptoms, a classic CXR and the expected blood results is 99% COVID-19.

An 80 year old with several comorbidities including severe COPD is more complex - for example, it’s difficult to tell from the scans and bloods whether it’s only a bacterial pneumonia that’s causing the increased O2 requirement, or whether there’s a super-added viral infection that’s kicked it off.