SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

The UK is one of the most heavily surveilled countries in the world and has been for years. 1000s of private companies have access to "personal" data like this:



South Korea were just more competent, prepared and proactive in dealing with the threat than the UK were, nothing to do with culture. Doubly so for the US.


Maybe you are right. But this is general data and not person specific. I doubt in USA you can use for example my GPS to monitor where I'm going and enforce isolation.
 
Does anyone follow Dr John Campbell on youtube?
I used to, at the start, and I recommend him. Makes some mistakes (which he usually humbly acknowledges and corrects on the following day, after feedback from viewers). It's mostly a simple and quick way to get up to par with things every day, specially for laymen. I think he's objective, and most of his points are consensual. Only reason I don't watch him as much is because he doesn't add much to what I can already gather on my own.

A big plus is that he has been doing this for quite a while, was one of the earliest, not one of those guys that woke up to this two weeks ago.
 
I know we have not got numbers for everyone who has covid 19 but 1019 deaths from 17089 positives means nearly 6% death rate. That is seriously worrying.
 
The author concludes "The failure of vitamin C supplementation to reduce the incidence of colds in the general population indicates that routine vitamin C supplementation is not justified, yet vitamin C may be useful for people exposed to brief periods of severe physical exercise."

So when you say it does have some effect particularly for people carrying out intense exercise might it not be more accurate to say only for people carrying out intense exercise?

Its hardly a cure but the data is quite clear that in supplementation trial there is a small improvement for all people.

In adults the duration of colds was reduced by 8% (3% to 12%) and in children by 14% (7% to 21%)
 
I don't actually think I'm a pigeon you know, to base your entire argument on that is a bit daft. It's also daft to not use a bit of common sense when you can go two weeks without showing any symptoms. I know it's difficult for you to understand that because, as you've already asserted; you think I think I'm a bird.

It's EXTREMELY daft to get so uppity about the whole thing as well so I recommend you spend a couple of weeks thinking about why you're so defensive all the time on this forum. Preferably indoors and maintaining six feet of distance between you and others.

Six is the number after you've counted all the fingers one hand, just in case you're struggling. Again; I'm not an actual bird. Please try and remember that.
You...you don't ?
 
I know we have not got numbers for everyone who has covid 19 but 1019 deaths from 17089 positives means nearly 6% death rate. That is seriously worrying.

But fairly meaningless given the 17089 is almost certainly a small fraction of the actual number infected, and or course represents nearly all the most serious cases.

There are I suspect about 1m people who actually have the virus in the UK and the death rate will likely be about 1%.
 
I know we have not got numbers for everyone who has covid 19 but 1019 deaths from 17089 positives means nearly 6% death rate. That is seriously worrying.

OK. I have good news and bad news for you.

Good news is death rate in your example depends on denominator which is likely falsely low and would depend on how many you are testing.

Bad news is death rate does not matter much, because if you are unlucky enough to get it, while odds are you will do fine, if you are further unlucky to get sick enough to need mechanical ventilator not much can be done other than hope and wait.
 
Very likely that the Belgian lockdown will be extended until 3 May - announcement imminent apparently.

The parties once this will all be over are going to be ridiculous. Not sure that's a good thing.

Parties next year will be tempered by the mere thought of Covid-20
 
I've always believed in ID, and having to carry it, but in normal non-virus times I know very few on the Caf would agree with me.
Portuguese ID cards are awesome. Almost impossible to hack and fake. If you lose your key codes, the only chance is to request a new card.

The chip is amazing. As a doctor, for example, I can use it to make electronic prescriptions on computers with a card reader. All that was needed was for our GMC equivalent to send the info to our government. It was such a complicated process a few years ago.

It's very confusing to me that there are countries where ID cards are not a thing. I mean, we live in a society with taxes, voting, etc. A proper and modern card using current technology makes all those things so much simpler. It replaces a shitload of documents, driver's license and passport being the noteworthy exceptions.
 
It's still around a further 7k tested in UK, they're not testing more yet.
 
I don't actually think I'm a pigeon you know, to base your entire argument on that is a bit daft. It's also daft to not use a bit of common sense when you can go two weeks without showing any symptoms. I know it's difficult for you to understand that because, as you've already asserted; you think I think I'm a bird.

It's EXTREMELY daft to get so uppity about the whole thing as well so I recommend you spend a couple of weeks thinking about why you're so defensive all the time on this forum. Preferably indoors and maintaining six feet of distance between you and others.

Six is the number after you've counted all the fingers one hand, just in case you're struggling. Again; I'm not an actual bird. Please try and remember that.
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Maybe you are right. But this is general data and not person specific. I doubt in USA you can use for example my GPS to monitor where I'm going and enforce isolation.

The US has some of the fewest privacy constraints in the world and definitely hundreds, likely thousands of irrelevant marketing companies have that kind of information about you as an individual. Over two weeks your location data might be shared over 5,000 times and the depth of it is unimaginable.

That's genuinely irrelevant marketing companies. Of course the government could do it. It's just a choice about law enforcement approach, not about capabilities.

We'll never know what the US and UK would've done in that situation because they didn't respond to it as well as South Korea did. We should recognise their work was so successful simply because it was exceptionally executed. The main thing they had in their favour was previous experience with SARS. It's normal that people took it much more seriously with that being so prominent in recent memory.
 

Riots in Hubei after a police force in a neighbouring area wouldn't let the people from Hubei return to work in that province.
 
A genuine concern that has crossed my mind is how Ireland will handle the eventual re-opening of pubs.

In pretty much every other area I can see us being sensible as lockdown measures are gradually lifted but social distancing is kept in place. People will stay relatively well disciplined, I suspect.

In the particular case of the pubs though, I can't even imagine that happening. As soon as they open their doors there will be an absolute pile in. Which is a problem given this will presumably happen before a vaccine is available but also at a point where there is still a large swathe of the population yet to be infected.

The lockdown itself is absolutely fine but handling things post-lockdown will be much trickier.
 
The cnut next door is having people over, she's having other kids over to play with hers. She's a mega twat.

I mean, my instinct is to tell the cops.

...but then, what if she's looking after children whose parents are in hospital with Coronavirus?

Then again, she can always tell that to the cops.
 
It’s more so him stating we need draconian measures etc, asking for manslaughter and premeditated murder charges, it was quite an emphatic stance to take. But then hes returned from a country that was put on the high risk and gone out shopping straight away. Wasnt anything to do with what you’ve said.
Yeah, that’s a fair point. It’s an OTT stance to take, but having followed orders and returned home I assume the man needs to eat. Hopefully he followed procedure ie washing hands, 2metres etc but needs must - we can’t completely avoid certain essential trips.

Wasn’t aware Thailand is any higher risk than here, though?
 
I know we have not got numbers for everyone who has covid 19 but 1019 deaths from 17089 positives means nearly 6% death rate. That is seriously worrying.

We are only testing those who end up in hospital... They are the people who are seriously ill from it.
 
I know we have not got numbers for everyone who has covid 19 but 1019 deaths from 17089 positives means nearly 6% death rate. That is seriously worrying.

You can't put the death rate as a percentage against those tested who need hospital treatment. That is not an accurate representation of the death rate for the disease as a whole
 
I've just had a look at middle Eastern countries affected. Their deaths are negligible or single digits. Could be lack of management of the issue but then Iran seems to buck that trend and then some. What's going on there then (not Iran, we know about them)?
 
A genuine concern that has crossed my mind is how Ireland will handle the eventual re-opening of pubs.

In pretty much every other area I can see us being sensible as lockdown measures are gradually lifted but social distancing is kept in place. People will stay relatively well disciplined, I suspect.

In the particular case of the pubs though, I can't even imagine that happening. As soon as they open their doors there will be an absolute pile in. Which is a problem given this will presumably happen before a vaccine is available but also at a point where there is still a large swathe of the population yet to be infected.

The lockdown itself is absolutely fine but handling things post-lockdown will be much trickier.

Pubs & Restaurants should be one of the last things to open tbh
 
Call the police.
Call the police.
Report that shit straight away.
According to a message on Facebook another neighbour is going to (or has done), which is good, she's absolutely awful and would make living next to her unbearable for the one that reported her.


I mean, my instinct is to tell the cops.

...but then, what if she's looking after children whose parents are in hospital with Coronavirus?

Then again, she can always tell that to the cops.
AFAIK, she's had other adults over too, not just kids, like their parents and stuff.

Call the midwife.
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According to a message on Facebook another neighbour is going to (or has done), which is good, she's absolutely awful and would make living next to her unbearable for the one that reported her.



AFAIK, she's had other adults over too, not just kids, like their parents and stuff.


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If she's that bad, I would leave 'em to it. Let nature do its work.
 
Pubs & Restaurants should be one of the last things to open tbh

Tbf restaurants seemed to manage social distancing a lot better than the pubs did. But yeah, they definitely will be the last to open. I don't think either we or the UK have the restraint to see pubs re-opening as anything other than a cue for a piss up.
 
Where did that new case figure come from, @Samid? I'm seeing on La Repubblica that today there's 3,651 new positive cases, as opposed to 4,401 yesterday.

The number of recovered is 1,434 (589 yesterday).
I think these are new active cases. If you subtract the deaths and the recovered from the newly infected you get La Repubblica's number.