SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Damn.

Someone was posting earlier that a lot of people are aimlessly hanging out in supermarkets to the point where some people are getting banned by shops.
It needs to be tightened up, we are only allowed to go into shops on our own. If someone else drives you, they have to stay in the car - it's been like that since early on in the quarantine in Italy. You get your shopping as quickly as you can and get out, no-one's wandering around.
 
Yep. I wonder how many of those out 'clapping' last night voted for the party that has regimentally stripped this NHS to its bare bones over the past decade? But at least they'r doing their bit, right, out clapping in the street? Part of something. Part of a cause. Don't make me fecking laugh.

I saw a good tweet earlier, 'in germany we applaud our health service by adequately funding them' or similar. Boris out there clapping was an absolute travesty. A complete travesty.
My missus had a right go at me last night because I said that quite a few of the people clapping last night were hypocrites for voting Tory. She was adamant that we all should clap to show our appreciation as quite a few members of my extended family are nhs staff.

They're still hypocrites though.
 
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Just a quick question/s. How bad can a virus like this get without a vaccine being available to the masses? If the whole world carried on and no isolation measures were put in place would covid19 eventually kill millions and send the world into a major depression?

Also would influenza do the same given we didnt have a vaccine?

Are these viruses capable of wiping us out and that's why we simply have to quarantine until a vaccine is found?
 
"Mr Varadkar says he is reluctant to use the term 'lockdown' to describe the measures.

He says they are "very restrictive" measures, and there is not much more beyond this they could do.

On the 2km radius - beyond which people cannot travel from their homes - Mr Varadkar says there will be an element of people having to comply with it, but gardaí will be available to police it"

Just say you don't have a supermarket within 2km of your house to get food?


The 2km was about non-essential travel.

Obviously you can travel as far as it takes for food.

They don't want people to actually starve. Is this a serious question?
 
I thought Ireland were already in lockdown

It was in semi-lockdown, with inessential shops closed and people advised to stay at home as much as they can. Now it has just been made more strict, with people only going to work for specific essential jobs, told not to go more than 2km from home and the elderly being cocooned.
 
:lol: :lol: What would you say if I was right?

I kind of just assumed you were having a bad day with the whole situation like me. :lol:

(To be honest I need a break from this thread/the news for a bit, if it's even possible).
 
Well yeah I mean I was absolutely fine except I lost my sense is smell, had a fever and was lethargic for a couple of days.



The 2km was about non-essential travel.

Obviously you can travel as far as it takes for food.

They don't want people to actually starve. Is this a serious question?

Though as I just said to my mom in an extended argument, if you can shop locally you should rather than travelling into the city centre just because you prefer Tesco's milk.
 
I kind of just assumed you were having a bad day with the whole situation like me. :lol:

(To be honest I need a break from this thread/the news for a bit, if it's even possible).

I'm having a bad day with the whole media 'no underlying health issues' push.

Look the girl up on Facebook. Go through her photos and some of the comments...I might be completely wrong and I'm fine with that. I'm not a professional, but I know what my opinion is and I'm comfortable with the fact I could be fecking wrong.
 
It was in semi-lockdown, with inessential shops closed and people advised to stay at home as much as they can. Now it has just been made more strict, with people only going to work for specific essential jobs, told not to go more than 2km from home and the elderly being cocooned.
Caught up with the UK then
 
Trump will surely get covid19 very soon given he has to meet so many people.

His age, obesity and other underlying health problems must surely make him one of most vulnerable people on planet?

I’ve never wished anyone dead and won’t start now. I’m just saying ...
 
Mostly schools/non-essentials closed. Restaurants are take out/delivery only.

Parts of the country will be able to weather it easier than others, but the places with busy airports (Atlanta, Denver, etc) will have problems and NYC, Louisiana, and Detroit (for some reason?) are fecked and their hospitals will be strained to the max if they aren‘t already.
Being such a large country some places will escape the worst but as you said, the densely populated areas are in for a heavy hit.
Almost everything is closed, and while people are supposed to stay home, I don't think it is as strict as in Italy for example.
Unfortunately some people still refuse to take this seriously all over, not just America.
 
So back from Thailand.

Just went out to shops for first time and was quite startled how people were looking very suspiciously at each other, actively avoiding each other when walking, and generally being very careful.

Of course it’s good that Government requirements are being met, but I am intrigued/worried about the longer terms effects of this new enforced behaviour. It feels like the first stage on one of the zombie movies.

Who knows how this will play out!
 
Trump expects 100k new ventilators to be built over the next 100 days. Probably not gonna do much for this wave, but it should help US a lot for the next wave.
 
Bigger country, and much more testing going on than in any other country. I don't think it is worse than in big European countries.

To be fair China has 4 times the population of the US and the US has more cases. Although this was limited to Wuhan it shows how what they did works (for now). In terms of the most testing, in total numbers I'm not sure but per capita it is definitely not. New York is close to Korea which is leading the world in testing but most other states are well behind.
 
So back from Thailand.

Just went out to shops for first time and was quite startled how people were looking very suspiciously at each other, actively avoiding each other when walking, and generally being very careful.

Of course it’s good that Government requirements are being met, but I am intrigued/worried about the longer terms effects of this new enforced behaviour. It feels like the first stage on one of the zombie movies.

Who knows how this will play out!
sorry to say - you should have really self-quarantined for 14 days before going out.
 
Jeez, for the people wishing death on Boris is one thing :rolleyes:
But you guys should be aware that Raab is a far more terrifying prospect as PM

And for the grass is greener brigade, on the flipside, in another universe we could have ended up with Diane Abbott as PM....
 
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Sky News were pushing the 10th case FT log graph with UK tracking with Italy but this other graph and real numbers are more accurate and shows where we know China was, Spain is, Italy etc.



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244​
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1,813​
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372​
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578​
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2,207​
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450​
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759​
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1,266​
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2,696​
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562​
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1,441​
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3,434​
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674​
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1,809​
March 26th​
4,145​
March 23rd​
860​
March 16th​
2,158​
March 27th​
4,858​
March 24th​
1100​
March 17th​
2,503​
March 25th​
1331​
March 26th​
1,696​


I suspect with our poor resources and less ICU than Italy we could be worse than Italy or start to track them but we aren't currently.


Yeah in terms of deaths the UK's still much closer to France on the trajectory.

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Interactive version here
 
How long do we think that people in the UK will accept being "locked down"?

Wait till figures are the same as Italy’s and all that toilet roll will come in handy as they won’t leave the toilet, let alone the house.
Wait till the lock-down is the same as Italy's, then people will really feel the pressure. What the UK has now still gives people the opportunity to move around a fair bit and there seems to be little proper enforcement.
 
very interesting video and visualizations by 3Blue1Brown on the spread of the pandemic and how effective are some measures to slow and stop them
 
To be fair China has 4 times the population of the US and the US has more cases. Although this was limited to Wuhan it shows how what they did works (for now). In terms of the most testing, in total numbers I'm not sure but per capita it is definitely not. New York is close to Korea which is leading the world in testing but most other states are well behind.
I don't trust China's numbers at all, though it is absolutely true that China's response (after the first month when they fecked it up) was really good and they more or less solved their problem (at least for the short term).

The US is doing now more than 100k testings per day (which to a large degree it is why the number of infected has increased so much). It is bad, but I actually think at the moment it is better than Spain/Italy/France.
 
So back from Thailand.

Just went out to shops for first time and was quite startled how people were looking very suspiciously at each other, actively avoiding each other when walking, and generally being very careful.

Of course it’s good that Government requirements are being met, but I am intrigued/worried about the longer terms effects of this new enforced behaviour. It feels like the first stage on one of the zombie movies.

Who knows how this will play out!
Shouldn't you be quarantined?
 
Yep. I wonder how many of those out 'clapping' last night voted for the party that has regimentally stripped this NHS to its bare bones over the past decade? But at least they'r doing their bit, right, out clapping in the street? Part of something. Part of a cause. Don't make me fecking laugh.

I saw a good tweet earlier, 'in germany we applaud our health service by adequately funding them' or similar. Boris out there clapping was an absolute travesty. A complete travesty.
Devils advocate time but seeing stuff like this a lot on here and online but the NHS was on a downward spiral in the labour years, no?
 
Trump will surely get covid19 very soon given he has to meet so many people.

His age, obesity and other underlying health problems must surely make him one of most vulnerable people on planet?

I’ve never wished anyone dead and won’t start now. I’m just saying ...

The worst thing that could happen for US would be trump getting it. If he recovered from it that would be it, he would be trying to open everything back up as he would think it was no big deal.
 
I don't trust China's numbers at all, though it is absolutely true that China's response (after the first month when they fecked it up) was really good and they more or less solved their problem (at least for the short term).

The US is doing now more than 100k testings per day (which to a large degree it is why the number of infected has increased so much). It is bad, but I actually think at the moment it is better than Spain/Italy/France.

It's the percentage of the population that's important, not the number.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/27/coronavirus-testing-us/
 
If / when we come out the other size of this, this is surely going to lead to a revolutionary change in the NHS?! This is highlighting huge gaps in funding and facilities that politicians can’t gloss over going forward.
 
very interesting video and visualizations by 3Blue1Brown on the spread of the pandemic and how effective are some measures to slow and stop them

Thanks - interesting. Just shows how difficult it is to know when and how we can exit from this mess. It really depends on how we are on doing what we can. Wash hands - avoid unnecessary trips etc.