SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Wibble]

Is someone able to update me, I'm still a bit confused. Has it been confirmed that this is no longer mutating and the scientists at least know what they are dealing with? Obviously I mean that for treatment/vaccine because I thought the original difficulty was also they were concerned it kept changing and was a different strand almost every time

It doesn't seem to be mutating very fast despite being an RNA virus (can't fix errors in the way DNA can) so a vaccine would likely be of great help for a year or two at least allowing time to adjust the vaccine as new strains become more common.

Mutations are most likely to make no difference to how it operates or make it milder, as viruses that are more deadly reproduce less than those that are milder.

If we find an anti-viral that works we could probably do with more than one as viruses can become resistant quite quickly.

If we do get a vaccine mass vaccination programs tend to speed up mutation by targetting the main strain, as happens to some degree with flu. The small % not prevented by the vaccine becomes the dominant strain. Testing kits might need to be adjusted as well.

So at the moment, with limited information, it seems that mutation isn't a huge concern at the moment.

 

[RedTiger]

What’s a ‘non browser’? Just limited to delivery service?

Don't walk around the store just looking at stuff.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Frightening.

Definitely, but expected. The prognosis was always, for most countries, a surge in awfulness before peak and then dip/slide.

It's been an eye-opener. Countries think they're prepared for everything, and a flu-like virus is decimating them all. Imagine if this was an indiscriminate killer like the Black Plague that was taking out toddlers, babies, teens, adults, middle-agers and pensioners indiscriminately. We would genuinely be in danger of extinction.

The world needs to wake up, bigtime, after this.

 

[F-Red]

Is it the case of they don't want to scare the public, or don't have permissions?

Definitely the latter, that video was very sobering last Saturday and we’re definitely on the same path as Italy. The only hope is that the field hospital effort has been done early enough to manage the capacity, the million dollar question will be around ventilators.

 

[Hansa]

We will at least have a lot of potatoes, onions and cabbage This is also a situation I think a lot of nations are not prepared for. Hopefully it does not get too bad.

Thankfully, there's always the coastline with its resources, so we should be okay.

 

[Cardboard elk]

Unbelievable..

Hundreds dead in Iran from drinking methanol amid fake reports it cures disease

 

[redshaw]

When Italy started to see their health service stretched last week and Sky News went in to a few of their hospitals to show the world what was happening, I thought that was a great way to spread the message to the UK and the world.

Based on the FT log graph we are on the same trajectory as Italy. The last few days we've hit triple figures and Sky News (this isn't a pop at them) don't seem to be posting much with regard to our Dr's and Hospitals in the same way they did for Italy. Please correct me if I have not seen this.

Is it the case of they don't want to scare the public, or don't have permissions?

I just feel that for the dickheads out there sunbathing or having bbq's whatever it may be, they really need a reality check.

Sky News were pushing the 10th case FT log graph with UK tracking with Italy but this other graph and real numbers are more accurate and shows where we know China was, Spain is, Italy etc.



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UK Dates​	UK Deaths​	Italy Dates​	Italy Deaths​	Spain Dates​	Spain Deaths​	France Dates​	France Deaths​
March 8th​	3​	Feb 23rd​	3​	March 5th​	3​	March 2nd​	3​
March 9th​	5​	Feb 24th​	7​	March 6th​	8​	March 3rd​	4​
March 10th​	6​	Feb 25th​	11​	March 7th​	10​	March 4th​	4​
March 11th​	8​	Feb 26th​	12​	March 8th​	17​	March 5th​	7​
March 12th​	10​	Feb 27th​	17​	March 9th​	30​	March 6th​	9​
March 13th​	11​	Feb 28th​	21​	March 10th​	36​	March 7th​	16​
March 14th​	21​	Feb 29th​	29​	March 11th​	55​	March 8th​	19​
March 15th​	35​	March 1st​	41​	March 12th​	86​	March 9th​	30​
March 16th​	55​	March 2nd​	52​	March 13th​	133​	March 10th​	33​
March 17th​	71​	March 3rd​	79​	March 14th​	196​	March 11th​	48​
March 18th​	104​	March 4th​	107​	March 15th​	294​	March 12th​	61​
March 19th​	144​	March 5th​	148​	March 16th​	342​	March 13th​	79​
March 20th​	177​	March 6th​	197​	March 17th​	533​	March 14th​	91​
March 21st​	233​	March 7th​	233​	March 18th​	638​	March 15th​	127​
March 22nd​	281​	March 8th​	366​	March 19th​	833​	March 16th​	148​
March 23rd​	335​	March 9th​	463​	March 20th​	1,093​	March 17th​	175​
March 24th​	422​	March 10th​	631​	March 21st​	1,381​	March 18th​	244​
March 25th​	468​	March 11th​	827​	March 22nd​	1,813​	March 19th​	372​
March 26th​	578​	March 12th​	1,016​	March 23rd​	2,207​	March 20th​	450​
March 27th​	759​	March 13th​	1,266​	March 24th​	2,696​	March 21st​	562​
​	​	March 14th​	1,441​	March 25th​	3,434​	March 22nd​	674​
​	​	March 15th​	1,809​	March 26th​	4,145​	March 23rd​	860​
​	​	March 16th​	2,158​	March 27th​	4,858​	March 24th​	1100​
​	​	March 17th​	2,503​	​	​	March 25th​	1331​
​	​	​	​	​	​	March 26th​	1,696​

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I suspect with our poor resources and less ICU than Italy we could be worse than Italy or start to track them but we aren't currently.

 

[Cardboard elk]

Thankfully, there's always the coastline with its resources, so we should be okay.

True that! I am glad I like fish

 

[RobinLFC]

As if there wasn’t enough divisiveness already. Granted being in the U.S. and no longer being required to vote in the Belgian elections, I do not follow Belgian politics aside from an occasional glance at some of the insanity.

It's a broken country, indeed. Society's faith in our politicians has probably never been lower, and rightfully so.

 

[stevoc]

Was in a chemist earlier to pick up a prescription. People were queuing outside a few metres apart and being brought in on a one in, one out schedule. All staff inside were wearing masks and latex gloves, however one of the till assistants kept fiddling about with her mask and at one point it was around her neck exposing her mouth and nose. She then exchanged money with a customer and touched her face again. Then the pharmacist came from behind the counter to give someone their prescription and preceded to have a chat from about a metre apart for 20-30 seconds. They did look stressed and overworked to be fair but it worried me how a couple of them were behaving.

Yeah they probably are overworked, and it must be hard to remember to always keep a 2m distance from people over an 8+ hour shift.

From the little i've experienced it the staff in most places seem to be really professional about it all. The only problems i have seen is some customers who can't or won't get on board with it. On monday before i finished work i was in a garage with about 12-15 people all queuing 2m apart right to the front door. Then in waltzes one guy undeterred by everyone else complying with the social distancing, walks past everyone and butts in front of a lady about to be served and throws £40 on the counter and says diesel pump 6. Tosser.

 

[stevoc]

He's been told he can shop once a day, that's government guidelines. I pulled up on the car park of my local Asda and gave up when I saw the length of the queues.

To be fair the queues are probably so long because people are going everyday just to get out of the house in stead of going once and getting everything they need for the week, like normal people have done for decades.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Interesting story about USA jockey Javier Castellano getting tested for Covid-19 but only as part of medical protocols to be able to ride at Gulfstream Park, came back positive, he has no idea as he was asymptomatic, jogged three miles the previous day, etc.

How many of us are there like this, and how much of the disease are we spreading whilst totally unaware.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

Sky News were pushing the 10th case FT log graph with UK tracking with Italy but this other graph and real numbers are more accurate and shows where we know China was, Spain is, Italy etc.



[/CENTER]

UK Dates​	UK Deaths​	Italy Dates​	Italy Deaths​	Spain Dates​	Spain Deaths​	France Dates​	France Deaths​
March 8th​	3​	Feb 23rd​	3​	March 5th​	3​	March 2nd​	3​
March 9th​	5​	Feb 24th​	7​	March 6th​	8​	March 3rd​	4​
March 10th​	6​	Feb 25th​	11​	March 7th​	10​	March 4th​	4​
March 11th​	8​	Feb 26th​	12​	March 8th​	17​	March 5th​	7​
March 12th​	10​	Feb 27th​	17​	March 9th​	30​	March 6th​	9​
March 13th​	11​	Feb 28th​	21​	March 10th​	36​	March 7th​	16​
March 14th​	21​	Feb 29th​	29​	March 11th​	55​	March 8th​	19​
March 15th​	35​	March 1st​	41​	March 12th​	86​	March 9th​	30​
March 16th​	55​	March 2nd​	52​	March 13th​	133​	March 10th​	33​
March 17th​	71​	March 3rd​	79​	March 14th​	196​	March 11th​	48​
March 18th​	104​	March 4th​	107​	March 15th​	294​	March 12th​	61​
March 19th​	144​	March 5th​	148​	March 16th​	342​	March 13th​	79​
March 20th​	177​	March 6th​	197​	March 17th​	533​	March 14th​	91​
March 21st​	233​	March 7th​	233​	March 18th​	638​	March 15th​	127​
March 22nd​	281​	March 8th​	366​	March 19th​	833​	March 16th​	148​
March 23rd​	335​	March 9th​	463​	March 20th​	1,093​	March 17th​	175​
March 24th​	422​	March 10th​	631​	March 21st​	1,381​	March 18th​	244​
March 25th​	468​	March 11th​	827​	March 22nd​	1,813​	March 19th​	372​
March 26th​	578​	March 12th​	1,016​	March 23rd​	2,207​	March 20th​	450​
March 27th​	759​	March 13th​	1,266​	March 24th​	2,696​	March 21st​	562​
​	​	March 14th​	1,441​	March 25th​	3,434​	March 22nd​	674​
​	​	March 15th​	1,809​	March 26th​	4,145​	March 23rd​	860​
​	​	March 16th​	2,158​	March 27th​	4,858​	March 24th​	1100​
​	​	March 17th​	2,503​	​	​	March 25th​	1331​
​	​	​	​	​	​	March 26th​	1,696​

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I suspect with our poor resources and less ICU than Italy we could be worse than Italy or start to track them but we aren't currently.

Why is this graph more accurate?

 

[Cardboard elk]

Interesting story about USA jockey Javier Castellano getting tested for Covid-19 but only as part of medical protocols to be able to ride at Gulfstream Park, came back positive, he has no idea as he was asymptomatic, jogged three miles the previous day, etc.

How many of us are there like this, and how much of the disease are we spreading whilst totally unaware.

Scary. Also since some people seem to be contagious for a long period. In some cases 3-4 weeks or more. I don't know if thats the case with these asymptomatic infected though. I think WHO is correct in that there needs to be extensive testing.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Interesting story about USA jockey Javier Castellano getting tested for Covid-19 but only as part of medical protocols to be able to ride at Gulfstream Park, came back positive, he has no idea as he was asymptomatic, jogged three miles the previous day, etc.

How many of us are there like this, and how much of the disease are we spreading whilst totally unaware.

It would be difficult for him to pass it on just by running past someone. If he stopped and talked to someone for five minutes and stood close to them, yes.

Something like 80 to 90 percent of cases in China were spread in the homes. Because we breathe it out and it hangs in the air or it drops onto surfaces.

 

[Ainu]

It's a broken country, indeed. Society's faith in our politicians has probably never been lower, and rightfully so.

I don't know, I feel like our government is still doing a lot better than several other countries. It seems like they've been taking the right decisions when needed.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Scary. Also since some people seem to be contagious for a long period. In some cases 3-4 weeks or more. I don't know if thats the case with these asymptomatic infected though. I think WHO is correct in that there needs to be extensive testing.

There needs to be a total population antibody test, then the picture will be so much clearer, no recriminations from me that it isn't there yet as that is unrealistic, but hopefully it is close, as this is the only thing that will make things clear, and perhaps allow normality to resume in the short term.

 

[Compton22]

I'm starting to believe a lot more people than we think have or have had this virus with little or no symptoms whatsoever.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Ireland on lockdown

 

[Klopper76]

15k new cases in the US today and they're now up to 100k. Feels like they've completely lost control of it.

 

[RobinLFC]

I don't know, I feel like our government is still doing a lot better than several other countries. It seems like they've been taking the right decisions when needed.

With respect to the corona crisis, I agree we've done well so far. Although the manner in which the government came to fruition has been somewhat of a joke as well.

I meant in general regarding the future of the country and all the political feuds, but that's not a discussion for this thread luckily

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

It would be difficult for him to pass it on just by running past someone. If he stopped and talked to someone for five minutes and stood close to them, yes.

Something like 80 to 90 percent of cases in China were spread in the homes. Because we breathe it out and it hangs in the air or it drops onto surfaces.

That wasn't the point I was making, just that he was so well he could do this, the article went on to say he was concerned for those he had come into contact with recently, especially his mother.

 

[Hugh Jass]

15k new cases in the US today and they're now up to 100k. Feels like they've completely lost control of it.

Yea its turning into a cesspit there.

 

[Sandikan]

That's seems a bit of stretch, Charles is nothing more than a pointless celebrity living off state benefits and Boris is a elected official. There's a massive difference imo. Also while it's easier to test one person than millions of Nhs workers, doesn't mean it should be the option we chose.

Now having all of that I don't think we should have tested Boris, at least not this early anyway. He did after all say we'd have to take this one on the chin. At least give him a couple of rounds against the virus.

That has to be the most hilariously anti way of describing the future King of England that I've ever heard

 

[F-Red]

15k new cases in the US today and they're now up to 100k. Feels like they've completely lost control of it.

Did they ever have control of it?

 

[Cardboard elk]

There needs to be a total population antibody test, then the picture will be so much clearer, no recriminations from me that it isn't there yet as that is unrealistic, but hopefully it is close, as this is the only thing that will make things clear, and perhaps allow normality to resume in the short term.

Yes, however many scientists say that a self-test often is highly unreliable, often down to 30% while a lab test is much more accurate, 80%+. Also I read that there will be a lot of testing to verify the anti-body tests before they can be released on the market, and that this also will take time. Seems to me like we will not get extensive anti-body testing done before the peak is already here.

 

[Prometheus]

Lost Smell and Taste Hint COVID-19 Can Target the Nervous System

 

[sullydnl]

 

[Deery]

Ireland now under the same restrictions as the UK.

 

[RedDevil@84]

I'm starting to believe a lot more people than we think have or have had this virus with little or no symptoms whatsoever.

Which is why people should stay at home as much as possible and not constantly find ways to decipher new loopholes in the govt stay at home orders, and keep going out arguing that the order is not clear enough.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

Have to make an early trip to the shops in the morning. I've literally nothing in the fridge. Its kinda dumb not giving people a day to get their shit together before total lockdown. I'm buying a load of food. Good thing I dont eat much anyway.

 

[McGrathsipan]

15k new cases in the US today and they're now up to 100k. Feels like they've completely lost control of it.

They never had control of it as they are lead by the biggest imbecile ever to hold public office.
Republicans were saying this is a democrat plot.
Its going to decimate the public there unfortunately

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

America will hit insane numbers at this rate. I haven’t been following them much, have they imposed any sort of lockdown or closures?

 

[Deery]

Have to make an early trip to the shops in the morning. I've literally nothing in the fridge. Its kinda dumb not giving people a day to get their shit together before total lockdown. I'm buying a load of food. Good thing I dont eat much anyway.

You can still go out and get stuff it’s not total lockdown

 

[McGrathsipan]

Have to make an early trip to the shops in the morning. I've literally nothing in the fridge. Its kinda dumb not giving people a day to get their shit together before total lockdown. I'm buying a load of food. Good thing I dont eat much anyway.

Have you been living in a cave on the moon?

 

[Volumiza]

Have you been living in a cave on the moon?

 

[cyberman]

Leo Varadkar just quoted a line from the Terminator for feck sake

 

[Deery]

Leo Varadkar just quoted a line from the Terminator for feck sake

What was it?

 

[Cardboard elk]

From allergy ‘red eye’ to respiratory crashing

So, rapid breathing, cough + these eye symptoms means you propably do not have much time to get help and should get to a hospital asap.

 

[Revan]

15k new cases in the US today and they're now up to 100k. Feels like they've completely lost control of it.

Bigger country, and much more testing going on than in any other country. I don't think it is worse than in big European countries.