SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Jippy said:
Did you eat and drink, swiftly lifting the mask though?
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Yes! And felt super weirdly vulnerable. Also also-wipes down my tv, seat elbow, and dining tray. Feels utterly bizzare and insane, but maybe it’s a sneak peak into a new reality, just like air travel fundamentally changed after 9/11.

As it’s my first time on a plane during convid19 crisis, it’s all new experiences and have no idea what twists and plots are around the corner!
 
My friend who works for British steel has basically been told that his job is essential and must keep going, which is fair enough. The thing is he's also been told that if he catches it (already two confirmed cases of people he knows) then he will be sacked.
 
TheGame said:
I just wanted to query something regarding social distancing. If a family who is in a house visit another family in a house, and both go no where else, can they still catch Coronavirus if they are going straight from house to house e.g in car and then out of car. Just had a query from someone when we were discussing but didn’t have the answer so just wondered what people thought. We were discussing how the virus could be caught.
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I’d say yes they can catch it, someone in house a could have it asymptomatic and travel and infect house b
 
TheGame said:
I just wanted to query something regarding social distancing. If a family who is in a house visit another family in a house, and both go no where else, can they still catch Coronavirus if they are going straight from house to house e.g in car and then out of car. Just had a query from someone when we were discussing but didn’t have the answer so just wondered what people thought. We were discussing how the virus could be caught.
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If both families have not left their homes for even one second for the last two weeks, it would be very unlikely anyone of them were exposed/infected. It's not a realistic scenario though.
 
Berbaclass said:
My friend who works for British steel has basically been told that his job is essential and must keep going, which is fair enough. The thing is he's also been told that if he catches it (already two confirmed cases of people he knows) then he will be sacked.
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Well that fecking sucks. Unbelievable.
 
sammsky1 said:
Yes! And felt super weirdly vulnerable. Also also-wipes down my tv, seat elbow, and dining tray. Feels utterly bizzare and insane, but maybe it’s a sneak peak into a new reality, just like air travel fundamentally changed after 9/11.

As it’s my first time on a plane during convid19 crisis, it’s all new experiences and have no idea what twists and plots are around the corner!
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I would say being on a plane would be one of the safest places from the virus since the air is refreshed every few minutes.
 
Berbaclass said:
My friend who works for British steel has basically been told that his job is essential and must keep going, which is fair enough. The thing is he's also been told that if he catches it (already two confirmed cases of people he knows) then he will be sacked.
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Hopefully if he is forced to go in against his will he could sue if they sack him for catching the virus. I don't know as I'm not a lawyer.
 
So worldometer is on 464683 cases in the world with 20942 deaths today. That's 4,5% death percentage today, 25th of march.

But I think we can safetly say that the number of infected is at least twice the official number, probably even more.
 
Berbaclass said:
My friend who works for British steel has basically been told that his job is essential and must keep going, which is fair enough. The thing is he's also been told that if he catches it (already two confirmed cases of people he knows) then he will be sacked.
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They wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they did that.
 
sammsky1 said:
Yes! And felt super weirdly vulnerable. Also also-wipes down my tv, seat elbow, and dining tray. Feels utterly bizzare and insane, but maybe it’s a sneak peak into a new reality, just like air travel fundamentally changed after 9/11.

As it’s my first time on a plane during convid19 crisis, it’s all new experiences and have no idea what twists and plots are around the corner!
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Not much you can do re drinks on a long haul I guess. Cleaning trays etc is a good move anytime I guess, given people stick their heads and feet on them.
When I left Singapore to fly back to Heathrow on 13 March it was a different world- no heat camera testing and only one thing of hand sanitiser in the whole damn terminal.
 
1) get job for British Steel
2) lick toilet seat
3) get sacked by British Steel
4) profit

That's my Thursday planned out then.
 
Ian Reus said:
I would say being on a plane would be one of the safest places from the virus since the air is refreshed every few minutes.
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Yeah. It’s not the air that the problem.

It’s if you’re unfortunate to be seated within 2 seats of an unknowing infected person (includes flight attendants).

Was surprised to see maybe 30% not wearing a mask which is really irresponsible. Am sitting in Doha - London waiting lounge full of Brit’s now and loads (but still minority) not wearing a mask of any sort. I don’t get this bravado or ignorance or whatever it is.

The N95 mask is not 100% guaranteed, and you also have to take it off to eat/drink or just for a few seconds to cool the inside down.

Also you’re vulnerable to touching surfaces that may have been infected, eg bathroom handle etc. I have a very strong hand spray that gives me 2-3 hours sanitised protection, so am very mindful of that ritual (have set up alarms on my watch).

As i wrote, it’s lots of new habits and making sure you remember them all! Hope to God this is last time have to fly like this and science can save us!
 
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11101 said:
It's good for headlines but it doesn't tell you much about how the outbreak is progressing, and that's what everybody should be worried about most at the moment. Deaths are never talked about by governments in terms of controlling the outbreak because you can't control them. As long as the testing criteria remains constant it shows you the trend you are in and that's what is being studied.
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The testing criteria aren’t consistent though. They vary, from country to country, and change over time. To be honest, I think the main reason governments focus on cases rather than deaths is a combination of not wanting to make the problem seem smaller than it is and not wanting to seem too morbid.

Here’s a good graph on deaths. Uk trending towards being possibly slightly worse than Italy but not as bad as Spain.

 
Jippy said:
Not much you can do re drinks on a long haul I guess. Cleaning trays etc is a good move anytime I guess, given people stick their heads and feet on them.
When I left Singapore to fly back to Heathrow on 13 March it was a different world- no heat camera testing and only one thing of hand sanitiser in the whole damn terminal.
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Can’t help but think dramatically different air travel experience is going to be one of the many changes coming in post Convid19 world!
 
11101 said:
It's good for headlines but it doesn't tell you much about how the outbreak is progressing, and that's what everybody should be worried about most at the moment. Deaths are never talked about by governments in terms of controlling the outbreak because you can't control them. As long as the testing criteria remains constant it shows you the trend you are in and that's what is being studied.
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You’re ignoring that new cases is a direct result of the level of testing done. If we stopped testing people today then tomorrow we would have no new cases.

Therefore proper analytics factors in multiple data points and a discussion on which of the two is irrelevant because you need both to paint a picture. In isolation, they are equally as irrelevant as each other.
 
redshaw said:

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UK Dates​
UK Deaths​
Italy Dates​
Italy Deaths​
Spain Dates​
Spain Deaths​
France Dates​
France Deaths​
March 8th​
3​
Feb 23rd​
3​
March 5th​
3​
March 2nd​
3​
March 9th​
5​
Feb 24th​
7​
March 6th​
8​
March 3rd​
4​
March 10th​
6​
Feb 25th​
11​
March 7th​
10​
March 4th​
4​
March 11th​
8​
Feb 26th​
12​
March 8th​
17​
March 5th​
7​
March 12th​
10​
Feb 27th​
17​
March 9th​
30​
March 6th​
9​
March 13th​
11​
Feb 28th​
21​
March 10th​
36​
March 7th​
16​
March 14th​
21​
Feb 29th​
29​
March 11th​
55​
March 8th​
19​
March 15th​
35​
March 1st​
41​
March 12th​
86​
March 9th​
30​
March 16th​
55​
March 2nd​
52​
March 13th​
133​
March 10th​
33​
March 17th​
71​
March 3rd​
79​
March 14th​
196​
March 11th​
48​
March 18th​
104​
March 4th​
107​
March 15th​
294​
March 12th​
61​
March 19th​
144​
March 5th​
148​
March 16th​
342​
March 13th​
79​
March 20th​
177​
March 6th​
197​
March 17th​
533​
March 14th​
91​
March 21st​
233​
March 7th​
233​
March 18th​
638​
March 15th​
127​
March 22nd​
281​
March 8th​
366​
March 19th​
833​
March 16th​
148​
March 23rd​
335​
March 9th​
463​
March 20th​
1,093​
March 17th​
175​
March 24th​
422​
March 10th​
631​
March 21st​
1,381​
March 18th​
244​
March 25th​
468​
March 11th​
827​
March 22nd​
1,813​
March 19th​
372​
March 26th​
​
March 12th​
1,016​
March 23rd​
2,207​
March 20th​
450​
​
​
March 13th​
1,266​
March 24th​
2,696​
March 21st​
562​
​
​
March 14th​
1,441​
March 25th​
3,434​
March 22nd​
674​
​
​
March 15th​
1,809​
March 26th​
​
March 23rd​
860​
​
​
March 16th​
2,158​
​
​
March 24th​
1100​
​
​
March 17th​
2,503​
​
​
March 25th​
1331​
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At least a small rise in deaths.

RedSky, I can't retrieve the US data you added to the table, it's stuck in a quote.


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Obviously the deaths are sad but in terms of the war against the virus the fact we were neck and neck with Italy's trajectory four days ago but are now nearly 400 deaths behind them (at the same stage) is pretty good news.
 
11101 said:
I don't see why people fall for these clickbait articles. What do two American academics know about the UK's situation and policymaking? Next to nothing. Just because you're an expert in one thing doesn't mean you're an expert in everything.
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The Guardian’s coverage of this has been pretty disappointing on the whole. This is another example of it.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
1) get job for British Steel
2) lick toilet seat
3) get sacked by British Steel
4) profit

That's my Thursday planned out then.
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:lol:

Then move to a 'likeminded' affluent area with your new found fortune.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Why is it? New cases is dependent on the amount of testing done. I think people want to see less dead people as the most important marker.
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This is true but I guess you can say the NHS is 'coping' at the moment. The amount of new cases is relevant when then they end up in the hospital and there's no more beds or ventilators. That's when the shit hits the fan as it did in Italy.
 
11101 said:
It's good for headlines but it doesn't tell you much about how the outbreak is progressing, and that's what everybody should be worried about most at the moment. Deaths are never talked about by governments in terms of controlling the outbreak because you can't control them. As long as the testing criteria remains constant it shows you the trend you are in and that's what is being studied.
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The testing criteria isn’t remaining consistent though.
 
Testing has been massively increased in Belgium. Everyone who arrives in the hospital for whatever reason is being tested. We have a huge testing capacity apparently. Long live a decent healthcare and a very early lockdown (8-10 days ago). I hope I don't regret saying this in a few weeks...

3 people in a retirement home have died in my town of only 4500 inhabitants though. Terrible.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I'm not for experiments in times like this, but there is no way of saying we are right and they are wrong at this point, recriminations later on will be brutal later on though for whoever has called this wrong.

Countries could have totally fecked their economies for very little gain, if the countries who have taken a far softer approach end up in a similar way, but equally it could go the other way.
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Sweden and Norway have a comparable number of confirmed cases (500 more for Norway), but Norway has tested at least 4x more people than Sweden, with Sweden at twice the population of Norway. Sweden also has 4x more deaths. This points to a huge number of undetected cases in Sweden.

So at this point it may be too late to bother with restrictions since the virus is likely everywhere already and spreading rapidly as we speak, with little being done to slow it down. The Swedes have made their choice, to put it that way.
 
Sarni said:
This makes no sense whatsoever from mathematics point of view. 7.5k people have died in Italy so far, less than 500 in UK. That means how many people would have got sick to get to that many deaths in Italy, 400 million? Even if you factor in demographics it makes no sense that Lombardy alone has several times death toll of UK and cases keep piling up. It’s one thing to argue that there are more cases than reported, which is certainly true, and another to put a realistic number on this assumption. 50% of population is just thick guess.
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How do you know that Lombardy figures are 100% correct? Why is there such a massive discrepancy between Italys death toll / confirmed cases and Germany for example. This might interest you
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...se/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/


But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.
“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says.
 
11101 said:
It's good for headlines but it doesn't tell you much about how the outbreak is progressing, and that's what everybody should be worried about most at the moment. Deaths are never talked about by governments in terms of controlling the outbreak because you can't control them. As long as the testing criteria remains constant it shows you the trend you are in and that's what is being studied.
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Total deaths is a significantly more accurate measurement than cases right now, so it's for sure very useful in modelling - despite the ~21 day lag between infections and deaths.
 
My best mate lives in Stockholm and says it’s just like a normal evening there tonight - bars, restaurants and clubs all open, trains as busy as usual, people walking the streets, hugging each other etc. Luckily he’s now WFH so hasn’t gone out much. He’s very worried it’s going to kick off big time there shortly.
 
Bugzy malone aka clown face was speeding on his quad bike in a middle of a lockdown and now seems to have had a serious accident. Not going to pretend to fake sympathy for him because the cnut is going to take NHS resources when he really should have stayed at home and listened.
 
Trump bragging about the US (330 million) having tested more people in the last week than South Korea (50 million) have tested in the last two months. Genius.
 
Bojan11 said:
Bugzy malone aka clown face was speeding on his quad bike in a middle of a lockdown and now seems to have had a serious accident. Not going to pretend to fake sympathy for him because the cnut is going to take NHS resources when he really should have stayed at home and listened.
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