SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

11 out of a population of what? People that age will get sick, and sicker without proper treatment, plenty of athletes will have underlaying health problems. Iran has a population of over 80 million and a dog shit health service.
11 athletes dead out of 27,017 reported cases and 2,077 reported deaths. Those were prominent athletes.

It doesn't make sense.
 
11 athletes dead out of 27,017 reported cases and 2,077 reported deaths. Those were prominent athletes.

It doesn't make sense.
They could have been doping, for all we know.

Professional athletes are concerned with performance more than health. Whilst it's true that those two things often overlap, they don't always. Particularly with athletes operating at the extremes.
 

UK Dates​
UK Deaths​
Italy Dates​
Italy Deaths​
Spain Dates​
Spain Deaths​
France Dates​
France Deaths​
March 8th​
3​
Feb 23rd​
3​
March 5th​
3​
March 2nd​
3​
March 9th​
5​
Feb 24th​
7​
March 6th​
8​
March 3rd​
4​
March 10th​
6​
Feb 25th​
11​
March 7th​
10​
March 4th​
4​
March 11th​
8​
Feb 26th​
12​
March 8th​
17​
March 5th​
7​
March 12th​
10​
Feb 27th​
17​
March 9th​
30​
March 6th​
9​
March 13th​
11​
Feb 28th​
21​
March 10th​
36​
March 7th​
16​
March 14th​
21​
Feb 29th​
29​
March 11th​
55​
March 8th​
19​
March 15th​
35​
March 1st​
41​
March 12th​
86​
March 9th​
30​
March 16th​
55​
March 2nd​
52​
March 13th​
133​
March 10th​
33​
March 17th​
71​
March 3rd​
79​
March 14th​
196​
March 11th​
48​
March 18th​
104​
March 4th​
107​
March 15th​
294​
March 12th​
61​
March 19th​
144​
March 5th​
148​
March 16th​
342​
March 13th​
79​
March 20th​
177​
March 6th​
197​
March 17th​
533​
March 14th​
91​
March 21st​
233​
March 7th​
233​
March 18th​
638​
March 15th​
127​
March 22nd​
281​
March 8th​
366​
March 19th​
833​
March 16th​
148​
March 23rd​
335​
March 9th​
463​
March 20th​
1,093​
March 17th​
175​
March 24th​
422​
March 10th​
631​
March 21st​
1,381​
March 18th​
244​
March 25th​
468​
March 11th​
827​
March 22nd​
1,813​
March 19th​
372​
March 26th​
March 12th​
1,016​
March 23rd​
2,207​
March 20th​
450​
March 13th​
1,266​
March 24th​
2,696​
March 21st​
562​
March 14th​
1,441​
March 25th​
3,434​
March 22nd​
674​
March 15th​
1,809​
March 26th​
March 23rd​
860​
March 16th​
2,158​
March 24th​
1100​
March 17th​
2,503​
March 25th​
1331​
At least a small rise in deaths.

RedSky, I can't retrieve the US data you added to the table, it's stuck in a quote.


 
In ireland a group of teenagers surrounded a female jogger and kept coughing at her. She happens to be a nurse. Why are teens such little scumbags?

Partly because the chances of said group getting a smack for said behaviour lies somewhere between slim and none.
 


I don't see why people fall for these clickbait articles. What do two American academics know about the UK's situation and policymaking? Next to nothing. Just because you're an expert in one thing doesn't mean you're an expert in everything.


I suppose. What do you think of the Iranian numbers? 11 professional athletes looks way too high for the total official numbers!

I haven't really paid any attention to Iranian numbers because i think they're a load of rubbish. I know in Italy nobody under the age of 30 has died, in Spain something like 5 people have and most/all had pre-existing conditions, and in China it was an equally low number. That's about 75% of total deaths so it would be peculiar if other countries start showing wildly different statistics.

Having said that, plenty of people in those countries would have died had they not gone into ICU. If Iran and other countries can't provide that they will have different numbers.
 
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned on here. But this agreement to give free mobile data access to the NHS websites is a small but excellent move:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...ata-charges-for-online-nhs-coronavirus-advice

In amongst all the other news, I feel this has probably got lost but for PAYG and no data customers this is good news. However, the first I heard of it was tonight at an (online) Meetup group session where someone described how they'd got the various groups to agree to it.

Apparently text/emails are going out today/tomorrow on the relevant networks. Anyone seen one yet?

I got one of these these texts from 3 today
 
That isn’t for England is it?

Nope. It's for the UK.

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The stats for UK are taking a different path to Italy and Spain in the last 4 days. Italy went up by 600 in the same time the UK‘s have gone up 230. It is encouraging but let’s not get excited yet.
 
The stats for UK are taking a different path to Italy and Spain in the last 4 days. Italy went up by 600 in the same time the UK‘s have gone up 230. It is encouraging but let’s not get excited yet.

Deaths are unfortunately among the least relevant statistics at this stage. Good to see a low figure as it means less people died today, but it's the growth of new cases that is most important at this point.
 
Deaths are unfortunately among the least relevant statistics at this stage. Good to see a low figure as it means less people died today, but it's the growth of new cases that is most important at this point.

Why is it? New cases is dependent on the amount of testing done. I think people want to see less dead people as the most important marker.
 
No chickens counted here. One day at a time.
Definitely. Good news, though.

I think it's been several weeks since the handwashing advice first started being transmitted. It definitely seemed to take hold in a lot of people, from what I recall. Hopefully we're seeing the start of something good.

But it'll take a couple more days of levelling off before I start getting optimistic.
 
Landed Doha from Phuket.. Very quiet, feels like safest place on planet! But it is 1am. Great service from Qatar Airways so far and Phuket airport was also amazing in terms of hygiene protocols.

Read some terrible reports about Heathrow in UK media today so fear Heathrow covid19 protocols won’t get close to Phuket or Doha airport. Hope Heathrow have sorted out their act by now

Flight is abit surreal. You’re very conscious on covid19 threat, but then get into a movie and forget. But then you suddenly remember about the real threat of infection because you’re wearing a mask.

Inside the mask heats up so feels like nose and mouth are in a permanent sauna, while rest of body is normal! Very strange and annoying sensation!
 
The same stage as the UK are today? According to that table Spain had 1813 deaths at the same stage

I’ve been counting since when those countries hit about 200 cases because that’s when the exponential growth really exploded. Handily Italy and the UK were both on 233 at one point.

Definitely. Good news, though.

I think it's several weeks since the handwashing advice first started being transmitted. It definitely seemed to take hold in a lot of people, from what I recall. Hopefully we're seeing the start of something good.

But it'll take a couple more days of levelling off before I start getting optimistic.

My guess is that it would more be to do with logistical factors, demographics and the general health of populations, more those type of things.
 
Why is it? New cases is dependent on the amount of testing done. I think people want to see less dead people as the most important marker.

Total cases are important because they show whether the control measures are working to slow growth.
Active cases are important so you can see how close to your healthcare capacity you are.

People dying is obviously a big deal, but for measuring the pandemic they're not especially useful at this stage. Death rates are sheer chance until we develop treatments for it, but if the cases grow the deaths will follow.
 
Definitely. Good news, though.

I think it's been several weeks since the handwashing advice first started being transmitted. It definitely seemed to take hold in a lot of people, from what I recall. Hopefully we're seeing the start of something good.

But it'll take a couple more days of levelling off before I start getting optimistic.
Yeah. We need more days like today.
 
Landed Doha from Phuket.. Very quiet, feels like safest place on planet! But it is 1am. Great service from Qatar Airways so far and Phuket airport was also amazing in terms of hygiene protocols.

Read some terrible reports about Heathrow in UK media today so fear Heathrow covid19 protocols won’t get close to Phuket or Doha airport. Hope Heathrow have sorted out their act by now

Flight is abit surreal. You’re very conscious on covid19 threat, but then get into a movie and forget. But then you suddenly remember about the real threat of infection because you’re wearing a mask.

Inside the mask heats up so feels like nose and mouth are in a permanent sauna, while rest of body is normal! Very strange and annoying sensation!
Did you eat and drink, swiftly lifting the mask though?
 
Sure, average age was 62 I think, so much older than any given country. I think something like 20% had serious symptoms though. That must surely be well in advance of what is predicted for the 60+ age bracket if the Oxford study is modelling a vulnerable population of 1% for society as a whole.

I'm concerned they've retrospectively adapted certain variables in their model order to arrive at something that mirrors the current UK death rate. I would hope they've used the same model to predict how we'll fare over the coming days and weeks.

Yeah I know feck all about the details of this Oxford model but it does seem pretty suspect. One for the epidemiologists to argue about!
 
What’s the news from Italy today?
 
Deaths are unfortunately among the least relevant statistics at this stage. Good to see a low figure as it means less people died today, but it's the growth of new cases that is most important at this point.

Deaths much more relevant than cases in the Uk, where they’ve done a fair bit less testing per capita than a lot of other countries.
 
The stats for UK are taking a different path to Italy and Spain in the last 4 days. Italy went up by 600 in the same time the UK‘s have gone up 230. It is encouraging but let’s not get excited yet.
Deaths are highly dependend on the demographics (mainly age) of the diseased population. Get a care home infected and you have a dozen new cases on that list.
 
What’s the news from Italy today?

Slight improvement again but still not out of the woods.

Active cases reduced for the fourth day in a row and total new cases are on a slight downward trend too.
 
I just wanted to query something regarding social distancing. If a family who is in a house visit another family in a house, and both go no where else, can they still catch Coronavirus if they are going straight from house to house e.g in car and then out of car. Just had a query from someone when we were discussing but didn’t have the answer so just wondered what people thought. We were discussing how the virus could be caught.
 
I’ve been counting since when those countries hit about 200 cases because that’s when the exponential growth really exploded. Handily Italy and the UK were both on 233 at one point.



My guess is that it would more be to do with logistical factors, demographics and the general health of populations, more those type of things.

Right OK, I see. By my reckoning that would still have put Spain on 638, somewhere between Italy and the UK.

Much closer than the other table though.

Personally I'd start it nearer the 100 deaths mark myself, which would put Spain at around 900/1000 which seems to reflect what's happening to them.

Only time will tell though.
 
Deaths much more relevant than cases in the Uk, where they’ve done a fair bit less testing per capita than a lot of other countries.

It's good for headlines but it doesn't tell you much about how the outbreak is progressing, and that's what everybody should be worried about most at the moment. Deaths are never talked about by governments in terms of controlling the outbreak because you can't control them. As long as the testing criteria remains constant it shows you the trend you are in and that's what is being studied.
 
I just wanted to query something regarding social distancing. If a family who is in a house visit another family in a house, and both go no where else, can they still catch Coronavirus if they are going straight from house to house e.g in car and then out of car. Just had a query from someone when we were discussing but didn’t have the answer so just wondered what people thought. We were discussing how the virus could be caught.
Yes, it's a stupid idea and against the rules (in the UK) so tell them to forget about it.