SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

There is no fair way of doing it, but the average wage isn’t needed. People should be given enough money to pay rent/mortgage and buy food.

I have a feeling angry self employed people think that everyone else is on 80% pay, which is just not the case by the sounds of it. A lot those in retail and hospitality aren’t going to be paid at all and (without wanting to generalise) probably have less money in the bank than self employed workers.

Makes far more sense to work on mortgage/rent breaks for the self employed. Then the £95 a week is much more realistic.

Why?

If we can afford to give everyone a fair wage to stay at home for a few months, what possible reason do you have not to?
 
Worldmeters info has 385 deaths for Spain and Spain officially say 514 dead in last 24 hours, a new record so there hasn't been a drop. Wiki use worldmeters info. The totals are the same but looking at graphs and percentages on wiki can be misleading day to day for some countries.
 
I'm guessing I might not want to read that as a 60mile a week runner :)
Although in fairness, it's not "too much" for me as I've spent years doing it.

My original point (perhaps hastily worded) is just that marathon runners aren't necessarily paragons of health that they appear to be paraded as, and prolonged, strenuous exercise of the sort can make people potentially more prone to contracting an illness like this instead of acting as a preventative measure.

Since everyone is locked inside, looks like nobody's clocking the miles for this to be relevant anyway, so I'll leave it at that.
 
If Wetherspoons ceases to exist after this is all said and done, some good will have come of it. Tim Martin is an abhorrent individual.
 
If Wetherspoons ceases to exist after this is all said and done, some good will have come of it. Tim Martin is an abhorrent individual.

Add Mike Ashley's empire to that. Would be pleasing to see.
 
I'm hardly an expert on this but here's how I see it. Even with a perfect (i.e. zero new infections) lockdown/quarantine you're basically just delaying the inevitable and the virus will spread again once these restrictions are lifted leaving you with the same problem as before. Unless you're holding out for a vaccine but I think we all agree that locking everyone down for 12 to 18 months is not an option. Doing nothing is clearly the worst option (see Italy) so there has to be another way. I guess in an ideal world, you would completely isolate the high-risk groups while letting life continue normally for everyone else. But obviously, this is almost impossible to do as it assumes everyone behaves perfectly. Just thought it was interesting that is all coming from virologists (so not politicians or economists). There have been quite a few of them writing op-eds and giving interviews in German media.

Why (to me at least) having these drastic measures in place now still makes sense is that it buys us time. Time to develop a long-term strategy, make sure all supply-chains are working, hospitals have everything they need etc.
We could be hunkering down for a decent therapeutic that will make the symptoms less severe though.
 
No. I can only leave using my British passport as that's what I used to enter with.

Fair enough mate. Just thought in an off-chance you might have found that helpful. Did you decide to come home or?
 
Fecking selfish bitch. They should track her down and lock her up. On a corona ward.

Colombo would be shaking his head at you guys. As am I:

Means: highly deadly infection
Opportunity: pandemic, cause of death reported by coroner - natural
All important Motive: Husband and 77 year old friend shagging behind her back for years/decades
 
I'm terrified now. It really seems like nobody has any exit strategy here. If we loosen up on the lockdowns, it will come back. Only vaccine can save us.
 
Fair enough mate. Just thought in an off-chance you might have found that helpful. Did you decide to come home or?
Still talking to her about it here.
I can get that London flight although I don't fancy the idea of being stuck in an economy seat for 13 hours straight.
 
Oh, FFS:



I'm not self-employed so this doesn't affect me but, after seeing numerous tweets from self-employed people who are losing their crucial income, I can't help but be angry at the 'socialist hero' Chancellor. 'Making more money than usual' indeed...

Not a future great PM after all. Who'd a thunk?
 
I'm terrified now. It really seems like nobody has any exit strategy here. If we loosen up on the lockdowns, it will come back. Only vaccine can save us.

Containment is the only way. Get the confirmed number of infections down to a manageable level, then do mass testing to find and trace as many of the infected as possible. Then it's a constant game of tightening and loosening restrictions to keep this thing in control without having to shut off society. In that time, increase your health care capacity (beds, ventilators,etc) and hope an antiviral comes into play - which is more likely than a vaccine. An antiviral would be an immediate game changer because it can increase your capacity to treat people by 10 - 100x.
 
I'm terrified now. It really seems like nobody has any exit strategy here. If we loosen up on the lockdowns, it will come back. Only vaccine can save us.

Every day is another day in advancement and preparation. A vaccine might be a long way off, but treatment for symptoms could be on its way before that.

The idea is to get it down to manageable levels and then keep everyone monitored.

A country like China has had zero to 4 new locally transmitted cases a day recently, in a country of 2 billion.

The world will be very different after this, but slowly, we are getting more and more prepared to fight it.
 
It's unhealthy in that endurance athletes have an increased risk of upper respiratory tract infections. That's not "nothing whatsoever."

@FeneR, actually the studies show that an athlete “can” be at an increased risk during periods of heavy intense training and a couple of weeks after a race only.
They also show that moderate activity may enhance immune function.

So, being a marathon runner absolutely is healthy, or can be, depending on the individual runner and their current training. Whereas you made out it’s anything but which was way too wishy washy with the facts.
 
Not a future great PM after all. Who'd a thunk?

I think he's actually right to some extent. Some self employed people are going to be making hay because the sun is shining incredibly brightly right now.

You could allow people to apply on the caveat that if they bring in a certain amount between two dates they are liable to pay it back by a certain date but how do you police that? People will use all sorts of accounting wizardry to ensure their accounts are beneficial to them when the time comes to evaluate if they should pay it back or not.