SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I think you're a bit too soon for exit strategies. Wuhan doesn't start coming out of lockdown till April 8th. We're at least a few months away from even considering something of an exit strategy.

Yeah and our government is talking about people coming back to work and living as normal as early as Easter. That's just silly. If we have any sports/events/normal life by the end of this year I'd be shocked.
 
People grasp a hold of these outliers and extrapolate.

Simple matter of fact;

- If the entire planet started marathon training today, fewer people would die from Corona Virus.

Fitter people are healthier. Healthier people live longer. It’s that simple.

Some people cannot balance a training schedule, they’ll run 100 mile weeks in a calorie deficit and get sickly. That’s such a tiny fringe few that it’s stupid to talk about.

As a whole; almost all runners are healthier than non exercisers. Most Marathon runners are fitter and healthier than most runners.

This creep of acceptance of distance running not being a good idea probably correlates nicely with Obesity rates.

Edit : Shouldn’t need to say I obviously DONT mean everyone going for a run together. It’s an illustrative Point, not a literal one.
I couldn't have said it better. A friend of mine told me to stop doing these home workouts because I would tire and hurt my immune system. Everyone thinks he's a scientist and a doctor these days. It's fecking doing my head in
 
An 80-year-old woman is the first person in the UK to die after contracting coronavirus in hospital, our colleague, Matthew Weaver, reports.

Marita Edwards, a retired cleaner and keen golfer, went to Newport’s Royal Gwent hospital for a routine gallbladder operation on 28 February.

The otherwise fit 80-year-old then caught an infection in hospital that she and her family were initially told was pneumonia. Last Thursday, almost three weeks after arriving at the hospital, she tested positive for Covid-19 and died the following day.

“If she had not been in hospital she would be still be alive,” said her son, Stuart Loud. “Clearly there was a coronavirus infection in the hospital which claimed my mum’s life.”
 
Because there are some self employed people that earn more than that in a week, its need to be relative and accurate to truly support people.

The aim isn't to recompense it's to give people a basic lifeline ffs.
 
I think he's actually right to some extent. Some self employed people are going to be making hay because the sun is shining incredibly brightly right now.

You could allow people to apply on the caveat that if they bring in a certain amount between two dates they are liable to pay it back by a certain date but how do you police that? People will use all sorts of accounting wizardry to ensure their accounts are beneficial to them when the time comes to evaluate if they should pay it back or not.

What self employed people are 'making hay'? Most people are either in isolation, so aren't going to be employing anyone, or are worrying about money, so again aren't employing anyone.

All the self employed people I know, are bunkered down at home, wondering how they're going to keep paying the bills.
 
What self employed people are 'making hay'? Most people are either in isolation, so aren't going to be employing anyone, or are worrying about money, so again aren't employing anyone.

Cleaning companies, absolutely smashing it at the minute.
 
Just been told I’m back in the office on Friday, after finally being allowed to work from home today.

We apparently need a small number in to keep operations going, although there is absolutely zero that cannot be done remotely. Absolute madness. Can’t be in the same room as the workshop engineers who have to be in, but have to use the same kitchen and appliances. Expect you in to work but won’t even let you leave to grab a sandwich. Half way nonsense.
 
My original point (perhaps hastily worded) is just that marathon runners aren't necessarily paragons of health that they appear to be paraded as, and prolonged, strenuous exercise of the sort can make people potentially more prone to contracting an illness like this instead of acting as a preventative measure.

Since everyone is locked inside, looks like nobody's clocking the miles for this to be relevant anyway, so I'll leave it at that.

One run a day allowed remember :)
But you are right, I have seen some whose running masks certain issues.

But I suppose it's always a shock when someone who has done some athletic feat is brought down by a virus, as they've laboured the point it's those of old age, or underlying conditions that are the most vulnerable.
 
Just been told I’m back in the office on Friday, after finally being allowed to work from home today.

We apparently need a small number in to keep operations going, although there is absolutely zero that cannot be done remotely. Absolute madness. Can’t be in the same room as the workshop engineers who have to be in, but have to use the same kitchen and appliances. Expect you in to work but won’t even let you leave to grab a sandwich. Half way nonsense.

The government should have a website where you can submit the names of companies that fanny around their employees like this. The guideline explicitly says if you can work from home then that is what you will do.
 
Cleaning companies, absolutely smashing it at the minute.

A cleaning company isn't a self employed person. It's a company.

But assuming you mean a self employed cleaner, then possibly. Although most places are in lock down now. The only places employing cleaners will be offices and public spaces, neither of which will be using self employed folk.

But if a couple of cleaning ladies are doing OK out of this, is it really worth even considering, given the other 4.99m self employed people who will be struggling.
 
The government should have a website where you can submit the names of companies that fanny around their employees like this. The guideline explicitly says if you can work from home then that is what you will do.

I could almost understand it if we were busy. But work has dried up and it’s a total waste of time. We’re struggling with the oil price too, so I’m worried that speaking up or refusing to go in with result in my name being marked in case of any redundancies. Shit situation.
 
An 80-year-old woman is the first person in the UK to die after contracting coronavirus in hospital, our colleague, Matthew Weaver, reports.

Marita Edwards, a retired cleaner and keen golfer, went to Newport’s Royal Gwent hospital for a routine gallbladder operation on 28 February.

The otherwise fit 80-year-old then caught an infection in hospital that she and her family were initially told was pneumonia. Last Thursday, almost three weeks after arriving at the hospital, she tested positive for Covid-19 and died the following day.

“If she had not been in hospital she would be still be alive,” said her son, Stuart Loud. “Clearly there was a coronavirus infection in the hospital which claimed my mum’s life.”

Dreadful stuff.
My mum's had such an operation, so that scenario leaps out as being of horrible bad timing.
 
What self employed people are 'making hay'? Most people are either in isolation, so aren't going to be employing anyone, or are worrying about money, so again aren't employing anyone.

All the self employed people I know, are bunkered down at home, wondering how they're going to keep paying the bills.

Plenty of IT support companies are doing well at the moment and a lot of delivery drivers are registered as self employed, freelance journalists will have a lot on covering the virus. Lots of lawyers are self employed and will have plenty of new work around rent, mortgages and wills. That's just off the top of my head. The fact is that there will be a small minority of self employed who have found a way to benefit from this scenario. That's the nature of business.

I'm not writing off the idea that the vast majority are struggling right now and I fully support their cause, I was just playing devils advocate to see if the situation is more complicated than it seems which I reckon it probably is, whether it's something close to the reasons I have suggested, I have no idea. Just trying to look for another point of view.
 
People grasp a hold of these outliers and extrapolate.

Simple matter of fact;

- If the entire planet started marathon training today, fewer people would die from Corona Virus.

Fitter people are healthier. Healthier people live longer. It’s that simple.

Some people cannot balance a training schedule, they’ll run 100 mile weeks in a calorie deficit and get sickly. That’s such a tiny fringe few that it’s stupid to talk about.

As a whole; almost all runners are healthier than non exercisers. Most Marathon runners are fitter and healthier than most runners.

This creep of acceptance of distance running not being a good idea probably correlates nicely with Obesity rates.

Edit : Shouldn’t need to say I obviously DONT mean everyone going for a run together. It’s an illustrative Point, not a literal one.


You're both getting the message confused here. Training for a marathon is good for you. Actually running one is most definitely not.
 
Why?

If we can afford to give everyone a fair wage to stay at home for a few months, what possible reason do you have not to?

Because it has to be paid back eventually. Just because someone earns £2500 a month usually, it doesn’t mean that a fair wage is just giving that same amount.

What about the people who work for Sports Direct, who won’t be receiving the 80%. Are they not entitled to a fair wage for a few months?
 
Plenty of IT support companies are doing well at the moment and a lot of delivery drivers are registered as self employed, freelance journalists will have a lot on covering the virus. Lots of lawyers are self employed and will have plenty of new work around rent, mortgages and wills. That's just off the top of my head. The fact is that there will be a small minority of self employed who have found a way to benefit from this scenario. That's the nature of business.

I'm not writing off the idea that the vast majority are struggling right now and I fully support their cause, I was just playing devils advocate to see if the situation is more complicated than it seems which I reckon it probably is, whether it's something close to the reasons I have suggested, I have no idea. Just trying to look for another point of view.

Yes, I can see that a few will be taking advantage, or indeed just managing to get on with their work. But, as you say, it's a very small monority. I don't think the numbers are enough to complicate matters. People are struggling, and seriously need the reassurances that people in standard employment have been given.

Hopefully it will still come this evening.
 
The Regal Moon is a fantastic building for a pub!

The Up Steps Inn in Oldham has some rough cnuts in it though.
Regal Moon has a fantastic selection of beer and lovely, knowledgeable staff.

Up Steps is shite.

There’s a brilliant micro bar opened recently in the back corner of Tommyfield Market: Cob and Coal. I feel desperately sorry for them right now. I’ve taken a vow that when (if :nervous: ) they reopen I’m going to help them by becoming a regular customer.
 
You're both getting the message confused here. Training for a marathon is good for you. Actually running one is most definitely not.

It absolutely is if you’re trained to do so.

I’ve been fit enough in the past to wake up in the morning and run 20-30 miles on both a Saturday and Sunday.

YOU’RE getting the message confused. You’re talking about racing marathons. Training, having strict periodisation training periods, maintaining a racing weight that sees you compete and chase PB’s maintaining a knife edge balance of health and fitness.

Less than 0.1% of Marathon runners meet that criteria.

Running marathon distances, when trained to do so is not a problem. Not at all.
 
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It absolutely is if you’re trained to do so.

I’ve been fit enough in the past to wake up in the morning and run 20-30 miles on both a Saturday and Sunday.

YOU’RE getting the message confused. You’re talking about racing marathons. Training, having strict periodisation training periods, maintaining a racing weight that sees you compete and chase PB’s maintaining a knife edge balance of health and fitness.

Less than 0.1% of Marathon runners meet that criteria.

Running marathon distances, when trained to do so is not a problem. Not at all.
So running your first marathon wearing a banana costume doesn't count?
 
These 3 Irish clowns praising our healthcare service that they have shortchanged for so long.

Ireland are lead by cliches
 
As a whole; almost all runners are healthier than non exercisers. Most Marathon runners are fitter and healthier than most runners.

I don't care about the active vs. sedentary lifestyle debate because that's dumb and was never initially spoken about or even implied, but what have you read about this? Genuinely curious if you have any good information because I'd be keen to see that. The article I posted earlier argues against levels of exercise that would invariably require anybody to run a certain amount of hours in a week, not just trained marathon runners. For example, one of the articles it cites says this:

Light and moderate joggers have lower mortality than sedentary nonjoggers, whereas strenuous joggers have a mortality rate not statistically different from that of the sedentary group.

Could easily be user error on this side and a study with serious limitations, but I've always believed the opposite to what you wrote and wouldn't mind knowing what information there is out there to support that.
 
He's not wrong. We are fooling ourselves about being so proactive over this.

When it comes to accurately assessing the correct timing and implementation of emergency public health measures, I think I'll trust the NPHET rather than the MMA fighter with a coke habit.