SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Virgil said:
Just go check a few more sources please before you start posting fake news
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Where did the 2009 H1N1 flu virus come from?
The 2009 H1N1 influenza virus (referred to as “swine flu” early on) was first detected in people in the United States in April 2009. This virus was originally referred to as “swine flu” because laboratory testing showed that its gene segments were similar to influenza viruses that were most recently identified in and known to circulate among pigs. CDC believes that this virus resulted from reassortment, a process through which two or more influenza viruses can swap genetic information by infecting a single human or animal host. When reassortment does occur, the virus that emerges will have some gene segments from each of the infecting parent viruses and may have different characteristics than either of the parental viruses, just as children may exhibit unique characteristics that are like both of their parents. In this case, the reassortment appears most likely to have occurred between influenza viruses circulating in North American pig herds and among Eurasian pig herds. Reassortment of influenza viruses can result in abrupt, major changes in influenza viruses, also known as “antigenic shift.” When shift happens, most people have little or no protection against the new influenza virus that results.


https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/information_h1n1_virus_qa.htm
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but yeah cool let's ban china from the world ?
 
F-Red said:
Yes, it's not a simple process. If you want to be quick and offer a flat fee, then there is the risk of undercooking the numbers for some self employed workers. Self employment 18 months ago might have very different accounts to now.
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And why does it matter if some lose out on a flat fee?
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
@FeneR, actually the studies show that an athlete “can” be at an increased risk during periods of heavy intense training and a couple of weeks after a race only.
They also show that moderate activity may enhance immune function.

So, being a marathon runner absolutely is healthy, or can be, depending on the individual runner and their current training. Whereas you made out it’s anything but which was way too wishy washy with the facts.
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The key is moderation. Too much or too little is bad for you. How do you know what is too much or too little is difficult.

I remember seeing a video talking about the cyclists in the tour de france and the commentator said that by the time they are finished, they have the bodies of old people in their eighties, given what they have to go through.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
So is it only the Swedish in Europe left following a very different path, or are they thinking again?
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Same path really just people seem confused about it and think everyone is doing it differently, not really understanding that each country is different and is on a different timeline with the spread.

Sweden has passed new laws to shut down when the time is right, that time is not yet.

Italy were too late, possibly France and Spain too. Sweden are still early doors and are following the scientific advice rather than giving in to public pressure. We have currently brought in the military to build a massive field hospital at the Stockholm exhibition centre.

When we close in on critical numbers for the health services, we’ll lockdown, just as others have.

Denmark & Norway went early with much stricter distancing so we’ll see over the next weeks if that had any effect.
 
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Sarni said:
I'm terrified now. It really seems like nobody has any exit strategy here. If we loosen up on the lockdowns, it will come back. Only vaccine can save us.
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Tbf, I'd say it would be quite hard to come up with an exact exit plan before you see how the virus plays out in a given country. Everywhere will be a bit different.

Once it's under some sort of control and if there's sufficient testing & contact tracing then it should be possible to model a way out, I'd have thought. Whether that's by gradually lifting different measures, relaxing restrictions in different cities at a time or whatever.
 
limerickcitykid said:
So my brother returned to Shanghai a few day’s ago and is being held in a government hotel quarantined for 14 days. Upon arrival they are checking everyone’s temperature multiple times over a period of time. My brother showed no signs of a fever so he passed by doing the actual test.

So now he is locked in a hotel room for 14 days. This is for everyone entering China, it is impossible to skip this. Someone just got deported for trying to skip out before 14 days. Upon completion of quarantine people are given an Id number and a green card linked to their WeChat and phone numbers marking them as being cleared from quarantine. Cities will be starting to open up over the next weeks. To enter any building the green card and your id must be presented.

Not sure how it works for people already in China as he didn’t mention it. But I assume the must do something to also receive the green code.
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Yeah we just need to have the phone code thing on Alipay or Wechat and present it when entering places. Shanghai is starting to get quite a lot of back flow cases, so unfortunately these measures seem a bit necessary for now.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Don't they get an average of the last so many months?
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I think as it stands it is just SSP £94 or whatever it is . My wife is a carer , does ridiculous long hours but has been advised not to work as she suffers with asthma and has been told she will get £94 per week . Works for abacare , shite.
 
India on full lockdown for 3 weeks. Should have done this a week ago, better late than never though.
 
Sarni said:
I'm terrified now. It really seems like nobody has any exit strategy here. If we loosen up on the lockdowns, it will come back. Only vaccine can save us.
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I think you're a bit too soon for exit strategies. Wuhan doesn't start coming out of lockdown till April 8th. We're at least a few months away from even considering something of an exit strategy.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
@FeneR, actually the studies show that an athlete “can” be at an increased risk during periods of heavy intense training and a couple of weeks after a race only.
They also show that moderate activity may enhance immune function.

So, being a marathon runner absolutely is healthy, or can be, depending on the individual runner and their current training. Whereas you made out it’s anything but which was way too wishy washy with the facts.
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Yeah, you're right. My post was very impetuous.
 
Fener1907 said:
Running marathons is one of the last things somebody should do if they want to be considered healthy. Fit, sure. Healthy, no.

It's silly how that's used to imply somebody is inherently healthy, not to mention how it neglects every other variable in their life that an observer can't possibly account for.
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The average marathon runner is waaaaaay healthier than the average person.

I know what you’re saying. Fitness doesn’t equal health. But it’s a very silly and deluded point that’s only true of a tiny tiny subset of runners.
 
Pexbo said:
I think he's actually right to some extent. Some self employed people are going to be making hay because the sun is shining incredibly brightly right now.

You could allow people to apply on the caveat that if they bring in a certain amount between two dates they are liable to pay it back by a certain date but how do you police that? People will use all sorts of accounting wizardry to ensure their accounts are beneficial to them when the time comes to evaluate if they should pay it back or not.
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Tbh I would have thought a former Goldman Sachs banker would be in favour of people making a ton of money and not having to worry about paying it back.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
The average marathon runner is waaaaaay healthier than the average person.

I know what you’re saying. Fitness doesn’t equal health. But it’s a very silly and deluded point that’s only true of a tiny tiny subset of runners.
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Fener1907 said:
Yep, my post was shite.
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Nar, it both was and wasn't.

The point you made which was good is that you wouldn't want to be running hard marathon training or running a hard marathon race right now! Not at all.
 
Smores said:
Yeah Tfl need to do a lot more. They shouldn't be reducing services for one, more trains but control the amount allowed into stations so that people are spaced out.

The only thing that will stop people using it is making it slow and inconvenient.
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Boris bikes should be free too. I know people touch handlebars but gloves could be mandatory.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52018136

Coronavirus: Separated parents 'relieved' children can be moved
Some parents were worried they would not be able to see their children if they do not live with them full-time.

He initially suggested children should not be travelling between different houses during the restrictions.

But he later back-tracked and apologised for being unclear, saying it "may be necessary" for some to move.
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These ministers need to learn how to talk clearly.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Nar, it both was and wasn't.

The point you made which was good is that you wouldn't want to be running hard marathon training or running a hard marathon race right now! Not at all.
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Exactly. It's better to be sat down the pub with affluent, like-minded folk than out accumulating all of that wear and tear.
 
LARulz said:
But those, except the 2 people, were mentioned on Friday. Most things closed on the weekend, maybe it's where I am but I saw no store not under the essential shops open. Either he did say it and people listened and he just repeated, or these places did it themselves and he is just saying it to confirm. Either way, almost nothing is new in what he said in my opinion.... again except the 2 people thing.

I can only assume it's a set up for something more strict later but again, enforcement will be tough without going extreme
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The actual power to fine, and the closings may have been mentioned but weren't enforced until last night.
 
I have no idea where we're going to get the money for this and I imagine my wage packet will be paying for it for years to come, but glad to see we're looking after all those laid off, including the self employed who'll be earning more money anyway ;)
The Government is to increase the Covid-19 Pandemic Unemployment Support payment for people who have been laid off due to the virus from €203 to €350.

The payment will also apply to the self-employed affected by the virus.

The Cabinet has also approved an emergency wage subsidy scheme under which the Government will pay 70% of a workers salary up to a cap of €410 per week net - equivalent to the after tax income of a worker on around €40,000.

The scheme will initially run for 12 weeks, and employers will be free to top-up the Government's element of the salary.

The scheme is targeted at companies hit by the collapse of economic activity triggered by the coronavirus outbreak - and employers seeking to avail of it would have to demonstrate a reduction in income of at least 25%, along with cash flow difficulties.

It is understood that the aim is to keep employees and employers connected, and make it easier to restart businesses when the crisis ends.
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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Absolutely but the fact remains that during most periods of regular training (a large chunk of the year), a marathoner is much healthier than most of the population.
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To an extent. Someone who is running one of those twenty day marathons in a row is just asking for trouble.
 
Suv666 said:
India on full lockdown for 3 weeks. Should have done this a week ago, better late than never though.
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Wasn't really necessary though, should have locked down only the cities with confirmed cases. Of course, in this case no ones going to complain about the over zealousness of the govt. Not that I think they won't find other reasons to criticize the government. Already chidambaran is saying that the financial package should've been declared in 4 hours. As if you can make such a decision in 4 hours.
 
11101 said:
Not to mention the kidney damage and heart inflammation, both key risk factors for this particular virus.

@Regulus Arcturus Black marathons are really not very good for you.
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People grasp a hold of these outliers and extrapolate.

Simple matter of fact;

- If the entire planet started marathon training today, fewer people would die from Corona Virus.

Fitter people are healthier. Healthier people live longer. It’s that simple.

Some people cannot balance a training schedule, they’ll run 100 mile weeks in a calorie deficit and get sickly. That’s such a tiny fringe few that it’s stupid to talk about.

As a whole; almost all runners are healthier than non exercisers. Most Marathon runners are fitter and healthier than most runners.

This creep of acceptance of distance running not being a good idea probably correlates nicely with Obesity rates.

Edit : Shouldn’t need to say I obviously DONT mean everyone going for a run together. It’s an illustrative Point, not a literal one.
 
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