SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I note that secret millionaire Bum_Flu has forgotten his moral outrage over anti-Semitism now Jezbollah's been sidelined...
 
I'm not self-employed so this doesn't affect me but, after seeing numerous tweets from self-employed people who are losing their crucial income, I can't help but be angry at the 'socialist hero' Chancellor. 'Making more money than usual' indeed...
If there's one thing people should take away from this crisis, it's the importance of unions. If you're not organised then you're relying on the generosity of tories which is never a good situation to be in.
 
Who is interpreting that way? Nobody is saying it is OK. But people will ignore the advice unless there is a way to stop them.

Unless there is some curfew in place or something then it will happen unfortunately. Also again if you live in a block of flats then,chances are that a couple may decide to meet up... their argument being they live alone and seeing nobody else so only 'infect themselves at worst'

My whole point is that his speech yesterday being heralded as the greatest speech in the last however many years or is a new lockdown (Except the 2 people) is ridiculous. He said nothing of major note that wasn't already common sense and/or said on Friday. He just repeated himself. His next address with a curfew or whatever is a lockdown. Not this.
Yeah, It wasn't as if he was enforcing anything. And the threat of enforcing idiots with police is pointless, the people he's aiming his words at call the police pigs. He should have really taken real brutal measures and enforced a curfew because its the only way these sheep will listen and feel afraid at the genuine chance of catching the virus and killing someone.
 
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I'm not self-employed so this doesn't affect me but, after seeing numerous tweets from self-employed people who are losing their crucial income, I can't help but be angry at the 'socialist hero' Chancellor. 'Making more money than usual' indeed...


If they wanted to work through it, they can give money to everyone and then deduct it at the next tax season.
 
Some good news in Spain, a drop in deaths to 385 and 4537 cases but this could be from Sunday/Monday slowdown.
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You can see a big drop in deaths around sunday/monday. 10th, 16th, 24th

He’s also said that kids are immune

I saw the tweet which says "essentially immune" Which means when looking at the stats there's so few, so therefore essentially immune. Doesn't mean every kid is immune, it's like almost or virtually. There's no need to witch hunt or leave out words. When a football game is 5-0 with 5 mins to go it's "essentially over" but isn't quite over, just a figure of speech.
 
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The current US trajectory is looking worse than Italy and Spain's.


I have a sister in law and a niece positive in the USA. One is a doctor and the other is a RN in charge of a ward. Both have nothing to protect themselves.
 
Good Morning,

We and the City Municipalities are currently seeing an increase of toilet and sewer line clogs due to paper towels and other paper products being flushed down the toilets. Please refrain from doing this as there will only be more complications resulting in backups because of this.[

We realize there is a shortage of toilet paper and people are using other paper products instead. But please throw these other products into the trash can. The only item that can be flushed down the toilet is toilet paper. These other paper products are too thick and do not break down when traveling through the sewer lines.

jfc

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I agree with your point overall that PAYE provided a quick and easy mechanism for the employed. However is that really a sufficient excuse for not having a plan even at this stage? They've had at least 6 week to work out a plan.

Yes, it's not a simple process. If you want to be quick and offer a flat fee, then there is the risk of undercooking the numbers for some self employed workers. Self employment 18 months ago might have very different accounts to now.
 
Just seen outside my window a group of four middle aged women going for a stroll. It’s ok though because they seemed to be wearing Belstaff and Barbour Jackets so must be quite affluent.
 
Yes, it's not a simple process. If you want to be quick and offer a flat fee, then there is the risk of undercooking the numbers for some self employed workers. Self employment 18 months ago might have very different accounts to now.

At this point, its a health hazard.

Millions are still going to work because the alternative is £94 a week sick pay, and they will starve.

Just pay them all the average national wage, £500 a week. Some people will get it who don't need it, but the alternative is people not having any way of stopping work and continuing to spread the virus.

Give them all the money and they can sit at home like we all want them to.
 
One look at Twitter shows that a lot of Americans thinks this is just the common cold and are up in arms about "freedom of movement" yada yada. FFS!
 
Some good news in Spain, a drop in deaths to 385 and 4537 cases but this could be from Sunday/Monday slowdown.
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You can see a big drop in deaths around sunday/monday. 10th, 16th, 24th

Really interesting with the death rates on Sunday/Monday.
 
Just seen outside my window a group of four middle aged women going for a stroll. It’s ok though because they seemed to be wearing Belstaff and Barbour Jackets so must be quite affluent.
But that's still within our half lockdown rules as long as they all live in the same place, no?

Edit - If you're UK based.
 
Following SARs and now this if the rest of the world does not isolate China until they change their ways once this crisis is over then shame on us.
 
The Texas gov seems to be calling to all senior citizens to give up their lives for the new generation. I think it will be a grave mistake to assume only the old are affected. There are many people in their 30s to 50s in US who have other major health problems or have fought cancer and stuff. They are all vulnerable.
 
If there's one thing people should take away from this crisis, it's the importance of unions. If you're not organised then you're relying on the generosity of tories which is never a good situation to be in.

Actually it's the selfishness of unions, and how they don't give a feck about anything or anybody as long as they get what they want. There was a nationwide strike here yesterday across multiple industries in protest at the restrictions affecting their jobs. Never mind the little dose of flu that's going around at the moment.


You can bet your house the unions in the UK will be holding everybody to ransom once all the cutbacks and fallout from the virus become clear. You'll probably have to if they get their way.
 
At this point, its a health hazard.

Millions are still going to work because the alternative is £94 a week sick pay, and they will starve.

I would argue it's employer related more than worker. If something is open, a self employed worker will try. We're seeing this on building sites today. I had a window cleaner around my house today!

Just pay them all the average national wage, £500 a week. Some people will get it who don't need it, but the alternative is people not having any way of stopping work and continuing to spread the virus.

Give them all the money and they can sit at home like we all want them to.

I get your point, but that average national wage isn't even what some furlough employees are getting. Playing devil's advocate why would self employed workers (who some earn much less than that) recieve more? I'm confident they'll get a mechanism correct, it's just not a simple turn on the tap of X amount for all. I believe they'll get a similar support that employed workers have.
 
Agree with this. The danger of the virus lies not in it's potency, but it's spreadibility. A long surface life coupled with asymptomatic transmission is just a rather fecked up combination to deal with.

SARS/MERS/Ebola are way more lethal, but you at least you could shut that shit down within weeks.

The last part is true. Whenever there's a bird flue outbreak somewhere (it happens times to times here in PT), the places where the infected persons are shut for a couple of weeks and the problem is usually solved.
This virus is managing to showing that doing even more extreme measure than just shutting the affcted spots is not remotely enough. Also think it took us time to detect the virus because an 80+ person with respiratory problems having a pneumonia is actually a very common thing to happen (thousands of cases every year), which also didn't help to detect this earlier.
 
So my brother returned to Shanghai a few day’s ago and is being held in a government hotel quarantined for 14 days. Upon arrival they are checking everyone’s temperature multiple times over a period of time. My brother showed no signs of a fever so he passed by doing the actual test.

So now he is locked in a hotel room for 14 days. This is for everyone entering China, it is impossible to skip this. Someone just got deported for trying to skip out before 14 days. Upon completion of quarantine people are given an Id number and a green card linked to their WeChat and phone numbers marking them as being cleared from quarantine. Cities will be starting to open up over the next weeks. To enter any building the green card and your id must be presented.

Not sure how it works for people already in China as he didn’t mention it. But I assume the must do something to also receive the green code.
 
So my brother returned to Shanghai a few day’s ago and is being held in a government hotel quarantined for 14 days. Upon arrival they are checking everyone’s temperature multiple times over a period of time. My brother showed no signs of a fever so he passed by doing the actual test.

So now he is locked in a hotel room for 14 days. This is for everyone entering China, it is impossible to skip this. Someone just got deported for trying to skip out before 14 days. Upon completion of quarantine people are given an Id number and a green card linked to their WeChat and phone numbers marking them as being cleared from quarantine. Cities will be starting to open up over the next weeks. To enter any building the green card and your id must be presented.

Not sure how it works for people already in China as he didn’t mention it. But I assume the must do something to also receive the green code.

Singapore is now doing this as well, most Asian countries will do the same as new cases are predominantly coming from USA/Western Europe.
 
Singapore is now doing this as well, most Asian countries will do the same as new cases are predominantly coming from USA/Western Europe.

Funny how the western govts didn't have the balls or cared enough to do it, when cases were flooding in from East Asia over here.
 
Common sense was telling us to start social distancing weeks ago... but affluent and like minded folk were stilling ramming out the pubs for their usual sunday roast up until the govt had to shut them down.

SAme problem everywhere. Most of people are habit creatures and will have a hard time to hear a no to something they do for ages and take as granted. Here in PT people still go to the beaches in remote locations, because the police is controlling the main ones. On Sunday 7 people were detained and will be in court after ignoring the state of emergency rules. If the police would follow the law, it would be 100 times more