SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)


The current US trajectory is looking worse than Italy and Spain's.


And then you see Trump and pals talking about cracking on as normal within a few weeks because "old people would happily sacrifice themselves to protect the economy" and realize the USA is proper screwed
 
And then you see Trump and pals talking about cracking on as normal within a few weeks because "old people would happily sacrifice themselves to protect the economy" and realize the USA is proper screwed
The Greatest Generation haven't sacrificed enough? Why doesn't Trump lead by example and sacrifice his worthless cnut heel spur of a life?
 

The current US trajectory is looking worse than Italy and Spain's.


If there's one thing this virus is going to absolutely thrive on, it's ignorance, liberty and personal freedom.
 
The Greatest Generation haven't sacrificed enough? Why doesn't Trump lead by example and sacrifice his worthless cnut heel spur of a life?

It's not really them anymore. You'd have to be at least 91 now to have been old enough to sign up even for the last few months of the war. Can't be many left who fought.
 
Girl on my Facebook fretting about having a kid that lives between two houses and being given contradictory advice on it by the government.

Put your brains together and come up with a common sense decision yourselves ya dumbass. It’s obviously not essential when it comes to saving lives, despite the government apparently saying it is.
I was in the same boat, fortunately my ex wife agreed the sensible decision would be for my son to stay with me as she works in the hospital so it was an easy decision.
 
The American response to this will hopefully alert some of those 'America is #1' type people. I genuinely hope so. I love that country but feck me.
 
Cabbie's take cards these cards ffs! Agree they're unlikely to do a full cleaning of it, but if the passenger wears gloves and a mask, it should surely be low risk.

Actually, I was talking about the government paying cabs to JUST ferry NHS workers around.

So no one would be paying anyone, and they could take appropriate measures for protection for drivers and individual passengers.

Cabs, paid by government, just to take individual NHS workers to and from work.
 
Agree with all of this, it’s too late but at least they have ditched this ‘herd immunity’ nonsense, and this is from someone who hates Johnson.

I'm not saying just letting everyone get it is a viable strategy but 'herd immunity' is clearly not nonsense but very important. There was another virologist on German TV last night who warned against slowing down the infection too much too quickly as this makes achieving herd immunity much more difficult. According to him, we have to find some sort of middle ground, between slowing it down enough to ensure the health system's capacity to act and protecting the most vulnerable on one side and managing the infection rate in a way immunity can develop on the other. He isn't alone with this opinion, a number of virologist and epidemiologists have said similar over the last few days.
 


Pictures from the world in lockdown.

See the first reply from London this morning
 
I'm not saying just letting everyone get it is a viable strategy but 'herd immunity' is clearly not nonsense but very important. There was another virologist on German TV last night who warned against slowing down the infection too much too quickly as this makes achieving herd immunity much more difficult. According to him, we have to find some sort of middle ground, between slowing it down enough to ensure the health system's capacity to act and protecting the most vulnerable on one side and managing the infection rate in a way immunity can develop on the other. He isn't alone with this opinion, a number of virologist and epidemiologists have said similar over the last few days.
Interesting, I think I worded my post badly to be honest, I meant that as in the initial strategy which seemed to be, just let it spread with 0 worries.

I was under the impression regarding herd immunity, that you need a vaccine for it to be effective?

Maybe with that in mind we are achieving a strong middle ground.
 
It says it was posted 13 hours ago (the reply from London) so that must be yesterday morning?
My bad didnt catch that. Good eye.

Dont think it was any better this morning based on Twitter though
 



Other than common sense, what is stopping you going to someone's home if they invite you? The police isn't outside each home clocking who lives there and doesn't. They don't have the right (at least right now) to go into people's homes and make sure

Of course he says that but you can't stop people living in a block of flats going into each others flats if they want for example
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Then said people are already infected with dumb disease and the only cure is killing the brain.

Seriously you’d need to be dumb to interpret that it’s ok to go hang with friends.
 
Interesting, I think I worded my post badly to be honest, I meant that as in the initial strategy which seemed to be, just let it spread with 0 worries.

I was under the impression regarding herd immunity, that you need a vaccine for it to be effective?

Maybe with that in mind we are achieving a strong middle ground.

I'm hardly an expert on this but here's how I see it. Even with a perfect (i.e. zero new infections) lockdown/quarantine you're basically just delaying the inevitable and the virus will spread again once these restrictions are lifted leaving you with the same problem as before. Unless you're holding out for a vaccine but I think we all agree that locking everyone down for 12 to 18 months is not an option. Doing nothing is clearly the worst option (see Italy) so there has to be another way. I guess in an ideal world, you would completely isolate the high-risk groups while letting life continue normally for everyone else. But obviously, this is almost impossible to do as it assumes everyone behaves perfectly. Just thought it was interesting that is all coming from virologists (so not politicians or economists). There have been quite a few of them writing op-eds and giving interviews in German media.

Why (to me at least) having these drastic measures in place now still makes sense is that it buys us time. Time to develop a long-term strategy, make sure all supply-chains are working, hospitals have everything they need etc.
 
Sorry but that’s a ridiculous suggestion. There is zero infection control methods with cabs and an extreme high risk of passing the virus on.

The answer is to address with more capacity on the tube to encourage distancing or to push all non-key workers to stay at home.
Black cabs have the plexi glass. Sit on the opposite side to the driver. Wear gloves and mask. Cabbie wipes down after.

Much safer than the tube
 
Wtf is up with these old people


I had a proper losing-my-faith-in-humanity moment while listening to that. What world are we trying to save here, with people as selfish and stupid as that in it, ruining it for everyone else? The interviewer just couldn't deal with it anymore and I fully understand.
 
So I'm in two minds what to do. My gf is at work, because it's a bodyshop that deals with NHS staff it's allowed to stay open. It's only a short way away but is a bus ride.

Do I: a) drive and pick her up later b) stay at home and let her get the bus.

Surely a is the best option for her and others on public transport, however I don't want to be like everyone else and break the 'lockdown' (there's still plenty of traffic/people walking up and down my road :wenger:). I'm not worried about the police, as there's none about anyway plus she works right next to a Tescos, but I want to do the right thing when I can.
 
I don't understand why it's a catch 22. You simply must self isolate if you're unwell. If people don't have the moral compass to do that then they are killing others. In your situation you are looking after the children of key workers or those with special needs. So going against that is basically infecting the vital key work needed to run the country.

Because people will have to either lie about symptoms or ignore them entirely if it means they won't get paid. While it will impact me massively I don't have any dependants and could just curb unnecessary spending while I ride it out. But if I had kids I imagine I may think differently about enforced isolation. I don't agree with those who are ignoring guidelines but also do empathise with their situations.

The government have been far too vague and expected employers and employees to take the hit to protect the economy, but the reality is not everyone is in a position to do that for the greater good. Something like an imposed government sick pay scheme would help limit those who will inevitably go to work while ill.
 
Not to mention the kidney damage and heart inflammation, both key risk factors for this particular virus.

@Regulus Arcturus Black marathons are really not very good for you.
If heart inflammation is a risk, why are there anti-anti-inflammatory stories on the net? Why are anti-inflammatories so bad and is it a fact that one shouldn't use these?

EDIT: Ah! I see this wasn't actually discussed. You replied to another question. Sorry!
 
So I'm in two minds what to do. My gf is at work, because it's a bodyshop that deals with NHS staff it's allowed to stay open. It's only a short way away but is a bus ride.

Do I: a) drive and pick her up later b) stay at home and let her get the bus.

Surely a is the best option for her and others on public transport, however I don't want to be like everyone else and break the 'lockdown' (there's still plenty of traffic/people walking up and down my road :wenger:). I'm not worried about the police, as there's none about anyway plus she works right next to a Tescos, but I want to do the right thing when I can.

a) surely. Unless the bus is half empty.
 
As is the attitude of 'well its up to the government to tell me what to do'. No it's fecking not. Use your common sense and stop going out. Until that realisation comes from the general population the virus won't get under control, the police can't possibly keep everybody at home all of the time.

Common sense was telling us to start social distancing weeks ago... but affluent and like minded folk were stilling ramming out the pubs for their usual sunday roast up until the govt had to shut them down.
 
So I'm in two minds what to do. My gf is at work, because it's a bodyshop that deals with NHS staff it's allowed to stay open. It's only a short way away but is a bus ride.

Do I: a) drive and pick her up later b) stay at home and let her get the bus.

Surely a is the best option for her and others on public transport, however I don't want to be like everyone else and break the 'lockdown' (there's still plenty of traffic/people walking up and down my road :wenger:). I'm not worried about the police, as there's none about anyway plus she works right next to a Tescos, but I want to do the right thing when I can.

If you're staying in your car and you're sharing a household with this girlfriend then i dont see how you're breaking any lockdown. There's no risk of contact.

People should be driving where possible right now.