SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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The fact that they already target a lift of measures after 2 months, could be ‘light at the end of the tunnel’, something to be optimistic about. However it could also be a recipe for disaster. Time will tell.
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We're talking about different things here. Running marathons has been shown to damage the heart and coronary arteries. Any kind of heart problems are a significant risk factor for this virus.
Anti-inflammatory drugs are known to reduce the body's immune response to other respiratory diseases. There is no concrete proof they do this with Covid19 too but health authorities are recommending against using them out of caution.
The big problem with COVID and is making ignorant politicians to make themselves look like fools in the initial stages of the disease is that Covid fatality rate worldwide is lower than seasonal flue overall (60 to 86% of infected people don't even get into the system) if you look at stats and they think they can keep the infection numbers low.
The first problem is that biologist affirm that this virus has been in Europe for months, but under the radar. In PT this thing happened during a Bird Flue outbreak in some parts of the country, and Bulgaria was also with a seasonal flue problem and this was happening all over Europe, so they think much probably a lot of those people were in reality affected by this virus, that's why the patient zero in Italy revealed not to be the "real" patient zero .
Problem is is that the infection rate is something never seen before. It is so infectious that it is estimated that more than 60% of infected people are not even into the system. This virus is beating every healthcare system by quantity numbers, so having a small % of fatalities doesn't really matter, because a small percentage of a huge population will overload any system in the world.
The first problem is that biologist affirm that this virus has been in Europe for months, but under the radar. In PT this thing happened during a Bird Flue outbreak in some parts of the country, and Bulgaria was also with a seasonal flue problem and this was happening all over Europe, so they think much probably a lot of those people were in reality affected by this virus, that's why the patient zero in Italy revealed not to be the "real" patient zero .
Problem is is that the infection rate is something never seen before. It is so infectious that it is estimated that more than 60% of infected people are not even into the system. This virus is beating every healthcare system by quantity numbers, so having a small % of fatalities doesn't really matter, because a small percentage of a huge population will overload any system in the world.
China are definitely not communist. Authoritarian yes but they haven't been communist for a long, long time.
No country has ever been truly communist, despite the names of the respective political parties. If you look closely at their statements , it always was "Living in socialism and building the communism".
There was, probably hundreds of thousands according to off-record reports from news reporters. They bloody dragged thousands of people into shady vans to take them who knows where and they even sealed doors and windows during weeks.
But the guy who'll have the idea to write that article might well name it as "My last article ever".
So I'm in two minds what to do. My gf is at work, because it's a bodyshop that deals with NHS staff it's allowed to stay open. It's only a short way away but is a bus ride.
Do I: a) drive and pick her up later b) stay at home and let her get the bus.
Surely a is the best option for her and others on public transport, however I don't want to be like everyone else and break the 'lockdown' (there's still plenty of traffic/people walking up and down my road). I'm not worried about the police, as there's none about anyway plus she works right next to a Tescos, but I want to do the right thing when I can.
Go and get her. You've got to think of the intent behind these measures, and in that case going to get her is the best thing to do.
Cabbie won't wipe down after, any public transportation method needs deep cleaning. It's not a safer way than public transportation, the problem with the overcrowding on the tube is around the number of carriages they're putting on, and non-essential workers using it. Address that and we solve the problem, without any requirement to risk taxi's and workers.
According to this, some help may be on the way soon for self-employed
A body shop that deals with NHS staff? Such a loose reason to stay open! Difficult scenario.
Just announced in the House of Commons, the Chancellor is working on a self employed solution, the difficulty of distinguishing tax returns (sometimes a year and a half old) between those out of work now and those who are finding more work is proving the difficulty on an accurate number.
Did they mention zero hour workers?
Agree with this. The danger of the virus lies not in it's potency, but it's spreadibility. A long surface life coupled with asymptomatic transmission is just a rather fecked up combination to deal with.
SARS/MERS/Ebola are way more lethal, but you at least you could shut that shit down within weeks.
Yes, they are included in the furlough scheme but it is down to the employer to declare them on that status.
They don't give a shit probably because they have the highest level of private health insurance. Guaranteed a top class doctor and a ventilator if they need one. Selfish cnuts.
Oh, FFS:
I'm not self-employed so this doesn't affect me but, after seeing numerous tweets from self-employed people who are losing their crucial income, I can't help but be angry at the 'socialist hero' Chancellor. 'Making more money than usual' indeed...
I'm not self-employed so this doesn't affect me but, after seeing numerous tweets from self-employed people who are losing their crucial income, I can't help but be angry at the 'socialist hero' Chancellor. 'Making more money than usual' indeed...
Yep it's the common sense thing to do, but obviously at the moment everything is debatable
Of course, but that's how the rich owners get and stay rich. Loopholes and not giving a shit about employees.
Thanks dude.. I edited my original. I saw the error of my ways.
Seen this?
https://publications.parliament.uk/...0rev.14-18.html?fbclid=IwAR1i2m_A1QjAbsurGgL7
Unsure how they will deal with it though. Maybe if you end up earning you pay it back in next tax return?
Ignore the noise. I’m not saying he’s a saint, but if he’s added 1000 ventilators to the health system, that’s a positive thing.
I've just watched his speech in parliament, he came across genuinely trying to find the best way of giving support but with most tax returns 18 months old it's about getting the most accurate support. He rightly did say that there are some self employed people that are booming in this current climate, so it's not a blanket coverage he can simply roll out.
Little bit different when compared to last weeks policy around employers and furlough status, it's an easy black or white scenario. With self employment, there are so many grey areas.
Why was his anecdotal 'evidence' not: 'Some self-employed people are struggling'...which is far more likely to be the near-universal case? What a convenient piece of 'evidence'.
His point wasn't about saying support shouldn't be offered, he recognised the requirement for it. It's all about the mechanic of what support is offered, not every self employed account is straight forward, nor is there an up to date and accurate picture of their business - hence the complexity, grey areas, and time to get the right support. Compare it to PAYE, where they can make a very quick calculation on what support is needed.
Hasn't it been said for lockdowns to be reasonably effective you need 60% of participents to properly heed the advice?
If you cut down on the ridiculous mass gatherings and come up with some sort of resonable strategy for London due to that being a special case we shouldn't be too far off that figure and see what situation is in mid April.
If you cut down on the ridiculous mass gatherings and come up with some sort of resonable strategy for London due to that being a special case we shouldn't be too far off that figure and see what situation is in mid April.
Yeah lockdowns are only if people cooperate with them. If people don't then you have to keep increasing the restraints until you reach an enforced lockdown.
Comparatively, yes, I see his point.
Please forgive my cynicism about his Party's methods of working, generally.
It showed the video of user GayShawnMendes doing the “coronavirus challenge” and licking a toilet bowl.
I get it, i have that cynicism too. I'd recommend trying to find a clip of him speaking, it does tell a different story to what those tweets are intimating.
Oh I think it will stick
Yes - my bad, in a different post I wrote that Japan has done half the tests of the state of South Australia - city is Adelaide, about one million people - which had done 17,800 tests by the 23rd of March, probably more now. My mistake.
Just see the disparity - 125 million people in Japan, about 25 million people in Australia and the figure above is from one city. This is all part of a wider problem in political life here.
The Japanese media and different Japanese people I've talked to keep telling me how right wing and extremist Trump and the US Govt is. There's very little scrutiny of their own political culture, still heavily connected to the far right that destroyed Japan's pre-World War 2 developing democracy and dragged the country down the dark tunnel of fascism.
Key members of the current J Government are the grandchildren of war criminals - and they have never distanced themselves from what was done by them, in fact the current leader of Japan, Abe, has publicly whinged about supposedly unfair criticism of his grandfather. This Government's first instinct is to be censorious and secretive. I'm not at all surprised by how small the test numbers are compared to the population.
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I agree with your point overall that PAYE provided a quick and easy mechanism for the employed. However is that really a sufficient excuse for not having a plan even at this stage? They've had at least 6 week to work out a plan.
It really captures the current mood.
Bump
Can a mod revert the edit?
Who is interpreting that way? Nobody is saying it is OK. But people will ignore the advice unless there is a way to stop them.
Unless there is some curfew in place or something then it will happen unfortunately. Also again if you live in a block of flats then,chances are that a couple may decide to meet up... their argument being they live alone and seeing nobody else so only 'infect themselves at worst'
My whole point is that his speech yesterday being heralded as the greatest speech in the last however many years or is a new lockdown (Except the 2 people) is ridiculous. He said nothing of major note that wasn't already common sense and/or said on Friday. He just repeated himself. His next address with a curfew or whatever is a lockdown. Not this.