SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I do wonder how you enforce that. Say if I'm out having a walk to alleviate the boredom, what's stopping me from just saying that I'm going to shop to get some paracetamol or whatever?

I’ve wondered this. Also in many parts of the UK there simply isn’t enough police to enforce these measures.
 
I do wonder how you enforce that. Say if I'm out having a walk to alleviate the boredom, what's stopping me from just saying that I'm going to shop to get some paracetamol or whatever?

It's the US - they have guns. I can see a story popping up soon - 'I shot him because he was out spreading coronavirus'
 
They might not know. A family member enquired with their GP about increased risk from atrial fibrillation and was told there is none, despite it being present in a quarter of Italian fatalities.
I would be surprised if afib was the only underlying health condition. Isn't it often present with another? That's my (limited) understanding of it.
It's something that comes with old age. Maybe it's just a coincidence and its other conditions in these elderly patients that's causing the deaths, or maybe it is contributing. Either way, it is still far too early in our understanding of the virus to say that afib is absolutely not a risk factor.

Atrial fibrillation is irregular heart beat. It happens because one of the 4 chambers of the heart the Left atrium is enlarged. It can happen at any age. Most common is older age. Can happen in younger age depending on things like high blood pressure and obesity. Fundamentally what happens is the heart becomes stiff due to previous factors mentioned, and consequently the left atrium over the years becomes bigger than should be, and from there causes irregular heart beat.

So while it may not be primary risk factor described, common sense would indicate it is a marker for heart disease, and that people with it would not do well in general.
 
I'm just wondering, what's with all these companies suddenly getting in massive trouble if business slows down for 1 or 2 months?

And then people have the nerve to criticize poor people for not having emergency funds.

Sorry, I'm probably being irrational but these things get to me.
 
Why wouldn't they deliver? Wouldn't that be a profitable model for them these days?
My guess is given how close the cooking stations are to each other they can't keep workers 2m apart
And the lawyers have said they run the risk of being sued by any worker who says they have contracted the disease in working conditions in contravention of public health guidelines
 
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I'm just wondering, what's with all these companies suddenly getting in massive trouble if business slows down for 1 or 2 months?

And then people have the nerve to criticize poor people for not having emergency funds.

Sorry, I'm probably being irrational but these things get to me.


Well even if someone has necessary savings, if they lose a job they'll reduce expenses. Its the same thing with companies. In case of companies, it basically means reducing work hours, delaying projects, tightening the belt etc which in turns leads to job losses.
 
Wonder if the thundering moron still thinks it's a hoax.

Reading the actual article, he's not actually calling the existence of it a hoax, merely not understanding the massive fear of it when it's "Only" killed a 100 in the US (at the time) versus 1,700 TB deaths.

It's basically a stronger version of all these "ooh flu kills xxxx thousands why is this getting more attention" comments loads on here were making.

He's a believer it's an engineered crisis as governments like crises as they can take liberties away without reproach.

Obviously it's still a ludicrous sentiment for something that is utterly rucking the whole world up right now!
 
Honestly, where did this idea that the Brits love freedom and couldn't cope with being ordered around come from? We're famous for queuing and we're the most surveilled country in the world. We love authoritarianism.

Replace Johnson's daily address with a series of stern but attractive men and women telling us what to do and we'd all be too horny to leave the house anyway.
 
I know its hard, but the people who you perceive to be acting idiotic need to be treated differently somehow, because it wont get through. It never does when you want something to change but go about it by insulting someone.

"You're an idiot for voting trump" = trump president
"Youre an idiot wanting brexit" = leave wins
" Youre an idiot for not respecting social distancing" = ???

Yeab if people don't call idiots idiots, then idiots will stop being idiots
 
Yeah, but that's difficult when it's rammed, eg the pics of the parks today.

No one hopes to get 100% compliance, that doesn't even happen in China or any of the authoritarian countries. If instead you even get 60-70% compliance, especially among higher risk populations, that is a major win.
 
He wouldn’t have had half the career he’s had without his brother associating the Hitchens name with intellect.

Unfortunately, Christopher's name became almost wholly associated with a kind of militant born-again atheism and support for the Iraq War.
 
To be fair they should be doing that even without this virus going round.
I dunno, there is something to be celebrated about McDonalds for the working poor.

Lots of calories for little dosh
 
Honestly, where did this idea that the Brits love freedom and couldn't cope with being ordered around come from? We're famous for queuing and we're the most surveilled country in the world. We love authoritarianism.
We're a mass of contradictions, like all peoples.
 
28,000 people died from flu in 2014/15 in the UK alone. On average 17000 die on average every year in the UK from flu.
So that's 327 deaths a week on average from influenza while people go about their normal routines. We've had around 100 deaths in the last 7 days while having unprecedented social exclusion measures, as well as media exposure of the virus for 3 months.
 
I'm just wondering, what's with all these companies suddenly getting in massive trouble if business slows down for 1 or 2 months?

And then people have the nerve to criticize poor
people for not having emergency funds.

Sorry, I'm probably being irrational but these things get to me.
Big companies will not accept lower profit. They will cut costs, lay people off and do anything in their power to appease their stakeholders even at the expense of their workforce.
 
I feel awful, so am going to bed. Surprising, since I didn't wake up 'til 5pm today(!)
 
So that's 327 deaths a week on average from influenza while people go about their normal routines. We've had around 100 deaths in the last 7 days while having unprecedented social exclusion measures, as well as media exposure of the virus for 3 months.
If you don’t treat it seriously you’re going to have 327 per day if not per hour at peak.
 
Emirates has cancelled all their flights too. I wonder how many airlines would survive this?

Correction. Now they say they will operate some flights due to foreign governments requesting them to operate these flights.
 
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Virgin Australia have cancelled all international flights. I think they are in danger of going under. I also heard that BA and QANTAS aren't as secure as you might think even if they are better off than some.
 
Australia goes into partial lockdown (but oddly not the school because feck teachers, older kids and their families) with pubs, clubs, cinemas, casinos, nightclubs. indoor places of worship, gyms and indoor sporting venues all closing today.