SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I know its hard, but the people who you perceive to be acting idiotic need to be treated differently somehow, because it wont get through. It never does when you want something to change but go about it by insulting someone.

"You're an idiot for voting trump" = trump president
"Youre an idiot wanting brexit" = leave wins
" Youre an idiot for not respecting social distancing" = ???
"you might die" =??
 
I know its hard, but the people who you perceive to be acting idiotic need to be treated differently somehow, because it wont get through. It never does when you want something to change but go about it by insulting someone.

"You're an idiot for voting trump" = trump president
"Youre an idiot wanting brexit" = leave wins
" Youre an idiot for not respecting social distancing" = ???


The "???" at the end will be lots more people dying. They're idiots.
 
In a lockdown situation for UK can anyone confirm how Corner shops and newsagents are treated? Locked down only for supermarkets or stay open?

We don't know because no information about lockdowns have been presented to the public.
 
In a lockdown situation for UK can anyone confirm how Corner shops and newsagents are treated? Locked down only for supermarkets or stay open?

In Italy at least:

Corner shops stay open if they sell groceries.
Newsagents are open but can only sell newspapers and tobacco.


I agree and think the mortality rate is much closer to the published flu mortality rate. However, we also have to wonder how many cases of the flu go undocumented and in turn makes the mortality rate higher than published.

The published flu mortality rate takes into account undocumented cases.
 
In a lockdown situation for UK can anyone confirm how Corner shops and newsagents are treated? Locked down only for supermarkets or stay open?
Well, newsagents are still open in Italy, and if the corner shop isn't primarily selling food (not just sweets), that would be closed here, too.
 
In a lockdown situation for UK can anyone confirm how Corner shops and newsagents are treated? Locked down only for supermarkets or stay open?
My understanding is small shops selling essential goods have remained open in other countries facing severe lock down measures.
 
I feel the death rate should also factor in how many people are dying because they can no longer receive proper care. When you read something like 700 new deaths in Italy today, it’s really 700 plus however many haven't been afforded the attention they would usually receive. They say the death rate will most likely be 1%, in reality it will be far greater.
 
it is good to have contracting opinions. We would all hope he’s more right than other projections.

however, you can be assured that the UK government is not basing its strategy on “political opinion” but based on the best scientific advice available at the time - it may turn out to be incorrect or somewhat incorrect, but this is not some sort of political ideology that the government is following.
I watched Event 201 A Global Pandemic Exercise a couple of days ago. It took place last October and they used Coronavirus as their "killer virus pandemic" example. The projections in that were 65 million dead worldwide.

You are told by the government and the media that there is a pandemic and you should panic. You don't know whether this is true, you can only trust that it is. You must trust the government and the media. When it comes to "shutting Britain down" I don't think it's wise to just blindly accept it without asking questions.

There is an "alternative" theory out there as to why the world is shutting down. Most are completely unaware of it, of those that are aware of it, some believe it wholeheartedly and others think it's complete nonsense. Personally, I don't believe it, because I am very pessimistic and believe it is more deception. I VERY MUCH WISH I am wrong!
 
I think I shouldn't fall in to it if it was perfectly designed but that the wide net that the government is casting here, given they lack the time to get down in to the minutiae, may well catch me nonetheless, as I have a type of blood cancer that is rare at the best of times and extremely rare at my age, and also not very dangerous at my age.

But I ain't a haematologist with a good understanding of epidemiology.
Then if you are currently being treated for it you would fall into this category. But, if you are still unsure, and you aren't a haematologist with a good understanding of epidemiology, calling your GP for clarification would be good, as was advised at the time of its release and on the government website.

Are we expecting an exhaustive list here?
 
Feels like we are taking part in a sequel to the Truman show.
 
Then if you are currently being treated for it you would fall into this category. But, if you are still unsure, and you aren't a haematologist with a good understanding of epidemiology, calling your GP for clarification would be good, as was advised at the time of its release and on the government website.

Are we expecting an exhaustive list here?
I'm not saying I'm expecting an exhaustive list. I did, in fairness, make it clear there that I understood that in the timeframe available such things weren't possible!

I am here asking for advice more than anything, cause it's very hard to judge these things when it's yourself. I do appreciate yours.
 
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Doesn't really mean a lot this data, most consumers in China's have more than one mobile airtime subscription, you've also got the fact that if you're home bound then you don't need anything else other than WiFi. To try to correlate this to a death count doesn't take the full picture into account.
 
Nobody will be able to confirm that, the Government have said nothing about it.

I would guess that if the shop sells food, it'll be able to stay open.
We don't know because no information about lockdowns have been presented to the public.
In Italy at least:

Corner shops stay open if they sell groceries.
Newsagents are open but can only sell newspapers and tobacco.
Well, newsagents are still open in Italy, and if the corner shop isn't primarily selling food (not just sweets), that would be closed here, too.

Thanks - was after an inclination, shouldn't have used the word "confirm". Sucks because my father manages a wholesale company for cornershops/newsagents and is in his 60s. He refuses to stop working and it looks like the warehouse will stay open regardless of a lockdown :(
 
Then if you are currently being treated for it you would fall into this category. But, if you are still unsure, and you aren't a haematologist with a good understanding of epidemiology, calling your GP for clarification would be good, as was advised at the time of its release and on the government website.

Are we expecting an exhaustive list here?

They might not know. A family member enquired with their GP about increased risk from atrial fibrillation and was told there is none, despite it being present in a quarter of Italian fatalities.
 
Doesn't really mean a lot this data, most consumers in China's have more than one mobile airtime subscription, you've also got the fact that if you're home bound then you don't need anything else other than WiFi. To try to correlate this to a death count doesn't take the full picture into account.
They're suggesting over 8 million people died?!
 
They might not know. A family member enquired with their GP about increased risk from atrial fibrillation and was told there is none, despite it being present in a quarter of Italian fatalities.
I would be surprised if afib was the only underlying health condition. Isn't it often present with another? That's my (limited) understanding of it.
 
I would be surprised if afib was the only underlying health condition. Isn't it often present with another? That's my (limited) understanding of it.

It's something that comes with old age. Maybe it's just a coincidence and its other conditions in these elderly patients that's causing the deaths, or maybe it is contributing. Either way, it is still far too early in our understanding of the virus to say that afib is absolutely not a risk factor.
 
I'm not saying I'm expecting an exhaustive list. I did, in fairness, make it clear there that I understood that in the timeframe available such things weren't possible!

I am here asking for advice more than anything, cause it's very hard to judge these things when it's yourself. I do appreciate yours.
Ah OK. I did jump in half way without reading back so that's my bad. Anyway, I hope it all gets sorted for you swiftly.
 
28,000 people died from flu in 2014/15 in the UK alone. On average 17000 die on average every year in the UK from flu.

Great. So now we have 17000 who die from the flu and another 17000 who die from coronavirus.

Best to take at least one of them seriously eh?
 
Apparently their (worldometer's) figures are wildly inaccurate for some reason. NY State have announced around 4,800 new cases today, not over 12k. Still represents an increase though.

Yeah they corrected the figures now. About 8000 cases in the USA today
 
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I don't disagree. Especially with this part towards the end.





This is a Professor of Medicine's opinion. I trust their opinion much more than I trust the opinions of politicians, people in the media and a public in panic mode.
The thing is though that you have to take the amount of people who get it into account. If 40 % of the global population ends up inflected and 0.05 % of those die then you're still looking at burying 1.5 million people.
 
Louisiana in full lock down mode


I do wonder how you enforce that. Say if I'm out having a walk to alleviate the boredom, what's stopping me from just saying that I'm going to shop to get some paracetamol or whatever?
 
I do wonder how you enforce that. Say if I'm out having a walk to alleviate the boredom, what's stopping me from just saying that I'm going to shop to get some paracetamol or whatever?

Well the last point says you can go outside as long as you maintain a safe distance from others.