Probably more testing and the first patients in earlier stages. Also US population is younger in average and other several variables
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Probably more testing and the first patients in earlier stages. Also US population is younger in average and other several variables
Also going to my local sainsburys and Iceland, I see the same people working there as before. Aren't these guys super exposed to picking up the virus? Masses of people walking by them in 1m wide aisles..
I know they have a basically essential job to do, but I can't help but feel like they're endangering themselves and possible even others if they have it and are asymptomatic. Strange times we live in when a shopping trip could be potentially hazardous.
I know they have a basically essential job to do, but I can't help but feel like they're endangering themselves and possible even others if they have it and are asymptomatic. Strange times we live in when a shopping trip could be potentially hazardous.
NY state has a 41% jump from yesterday ( it has been averaging around 35-40 for almost a week now).
Do we have the US data City wise ? Infected cases ?
https://www.sciencealert.com/fda-ju...est-that-can-diagnose-covid-19-in-45-minutes/
Can't keep up with the pace of the thread but a few asked about rapid tests. Here's one.
Can't keep up with the pace of the thread but a few asked about rapid tests. Here's one.
Thank you for a detailed reply, I appreciate you taking the time to explain yourself. It definitely makes a better discussion, than dismissing the various links I've provided as biased.
Just to make it clear, in my opinion, the Chinese scientific community did all it could in dealing with the virus (and still is). Just like doctors in the rest of the world, some of them make mistakes.
The issue is not with these types of actions. It is with the authorities silencing those professionals who raised the alarm as early as mid-November.
I haven't seen any western government threaten doctors not to publish their opinions. So, in that sense, the Chinese bare a lot of responsibility, beyond any mistake made by any professional or official.
I could be wrong, but to me, of all mistakes done since day one, the one silencing Chinese doctors has the biggest effect on the entire world. If we (the world) had another month or two to prepare for the pandemic, surely many lives would have been saved.
Since Wikipedia is a reliable source for you, please just take a quick look at these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Wen_(doctor)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xie_Linka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang#Whistleblower_in_2019–20_coronavirus_outbreak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_in_mainland_China#Censorship,_propaganda,_and_police_responses
Why would it? I have a 57% proof bourbon. There are many cask strength whiskies that bottled at 60+%. Rectified spirit is around 95%, possible but not recommended to drink undiluted.
Not city-wise, but this is state-wise.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
And this is county-wise.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
Here's every county with 100 or more cases:
| State | County | Cases |
| New York | New York City | 6,211 |
| New York | Westchester | 1,385 |
| New York | Nassau | 1,291 |
| Washington | King | 935 |
| New York | Suffolk | 662 |
| Illinois | Cook | 548 |
| Washington | Snohomish | 446 |
| New Jersey | Bergen | 362 |
| Louisiana | Orleans | 352 |
| Michigan | Wayne | 349 |
| California | Los Angeles | 292 |
| California | Santa Clara | 263 |
| New York | Rockland | 262 |
| Michigan | Oakland | 229 |
| Massachusetts | Middlesex | 177 |
| Florida | Miami-Dade | 169 |
| Florida | Broward | 164 |
| New Jersey | Unknown | 151 |
| New York | Albany | 140 |
| Tennessee | Davidson | 140 |
| California | San Diego | 131 |
| Nevada | Clark | 126 |
| Wisconsin | Milwaukee | 126 |
| Connecticut | Fairfield | 122 |
| Louisiana | Jefferson | 116 |
| New Jersey | Middlesex | 116 |
| New York | Orange | 111 |
| Massachusetts | Suffolk | 108 |
| New Jersey | Essex | 107 |
| Michigan | Macomb | 101 |
| California | San Mateo | 100 |
We have had very few cases in proportion to our population till now. Much lower than everywhere else. You'll be fine.
Unless she had a stop over in Europe or Dubai. Even then, your chances are small
Fauci is in such an awful position. He's built his reputation over a lifetime and he's putting it on the line by balancing things to make sure he's staying in Trump's good graces and making sure his voice is heard.
You were probably more of a risk to her than she was to you.
Quote from Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang#Whistleblower_in_2019–20_coronavirus_outbreak
I can only assume that the interrogation took place in a police station, and not at the hospital. If you don't want to consider that an arrest, that's up to you.
Floor leaders (in both Senate and the House) are not constitutional positions, so they are not in the line of succession (despite that in McConnell’s case, he is the second most powerful person in Washington).
For sure. I was responding to the post that said it would probably kill you if you drank 60% AVB. I took it as in drinking a 60% spirit.
"Are you getting hammered again? - Nah, just disinfecting my bloodstream"
Another optimistic view, from a news outlet that's very critical of Trump:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...s-right-about-covid-19-who-is-wrong-1.8691031
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...s-right-about-covid-19-who-is-wrong-1.8691031
This guy's articles should be followed imo:
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
I know no one is planning much in terms of travel right now but this has the latest travel restrictions for every country. I think it's kept fairly up to date.
https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/in...Sq2riYOwxGyzYJjN9v_OTu8d5s1BAdXLMgXT8BU2CpNEM
https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/in...Sq2riYOwxGyzYJjN9v_OTu8d5s1BAdXLMgXT8BU2CpNEM
Mid November? Can you share/quote a source for this?
I read this paper and a few other ones involving the same drug. Seems at least promising. People are talking about the small sample size but within that lmitation, the result was dramatic.
Some version of this paper and an earlier Chinese paper examining the mechanism of action of quinone had made it onto an Indian whatsapp forward. As a result, stocks of quinone have disappeared from chemsts because of people trying to use it as a preventive medicine, even though both studies use it as a cure not prevention. I hope the govt steps in very soon.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...nas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back
Edit: First case was traced back to November 17th. First whistle-blow was late December.
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The whole world knew about this from early January right? So what preparations and key planning was the West doing at this time? I don't think it really makes sense to say that an extra couple of weeks would have made a difference, because they willingly ignored and didn't make use of the time they had anyway.
Of course the governments would like to deflect all criticism in that way but I don't think the people should let them. Everyone knows the Chinese government did wrong and no one is surprised. Don't let the likes of Trump use that to deflect from their own tragic mistakes and shortcomings.
There wasn't a whistleblower. A doctor shared observations of unknown pneumonia/possible outbreak with Wuhan Jianghan CDC on December 27. Four days later public notice was released and WHO was informed.
Traced back. Of course they didn't know about it then. These things take time to get discovered. It was first noticed in mid to late December. The local government response cost about a week to 10 days of notice.
Also here is a good critical analysis.
My personal problem is hcq prolongs qt interval, as does azithro. Not a good idea if you are on certain cardiac meds which also prolong qt interval.
What's the link to this site?
You could be right. I stand corrected.
I honestly don't know what to think...
Just elderly population does not tell much. If I go on a cruise I am usually a still very active and financially well off person.
I do. He is worrying about the certainty of the data which is never going to be there in the early stages of a pandemic. It is the medical equivalent of doing nothing about global warming until the data is certain and then going "woops, too late to do anything now".
All you have to look at is how easily medical services are overwhelmed in places like Italy to know that a virtual lock down is the only sensible thing to do and even that might not be enough.
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I want to know what he's smoking.
Assuming a population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% at this stage is just bizarre. Concentrating and solely basing your conclusions on what happened on a boat when you've data from tons of countries is very strange. There was no mention of Italy in the article whatsoever, or South Korea who had been testing religiously and have collected an incredible amount of data.
India has fewer cases compared to Europe/UK. You should be less worried about the lady than you're worried of interaction with those from your own country.
Uzbekistan have 42 confirmed cases. 0 deaths. All schools/collesges/universities have been closed since Monday last week. All non-critical workers sent home. Public transportation has stopped. No flights, the borders are closed except for foreign citizens who want to leave the country. No public gatherings are allowed, wearing masks while being outside is obligatory.
Has there be any news/update regarding if this thing is mutating still? Wasn't that the big challenge in terms of a medicine and eventual vaccine?
Not sure it kills the virus I suppose. There are strong alcoholic drinks like absinthe that are 45%-70% I don’t know if they would work if you drank them but.
It would be worth a try I guess if you were in a really bad situation but wouldn’t advise it myself.
I actually think the most optimistic figures are coming from Germany right now (depending on how effective their testing is / how they are classifying deaths), but in all cases there is a danger in deriving a general IFR from the current CFR. It takes between an average of 2-3 weeks to die so there is a great lag between the current case number and the final outcomes of those cases. This danger can be seen if we look at Yamin's analysis and how events have unfolded since he expressed it.
He assumes a CFR of 0.9% of known cases from South Korea, expects at least double that to have actually been infected and so derives an actual IFR of at worst 0.45% in the region. There is an obvious undercalculation in his first assumption though. In the few days since he's voiced opinion we've already seen the CFR of known cases rise to 1.17% in South Korea. Not only that, but if we could somehow pause the rest of time and only let the known cases we have play out South Korea would still have 5,844 active cases. In order for the CFR not to rise even further we would have to assume that not a single one of those 5,844 cases will die. It would only take a further 74 deaths to take the CFR to 2% and his derived max IFR to 1%.
He's certainly right that Israel will be less affected than other nations, they have an average age of 28 and a healthy population, in Korea it is 42. Unfortunately for us we are much nearer to the Korean median age (UK 40.5, US 38, EU 42). He also fails to take into account the underlying health of the US/EU populations as it relates to those of South Korea.
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I want to know what he's smoking.
Assuming a population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% at this stage is just bizarre. Concentrating and solely basing your conclusions on what happened on a boat when you've data from tons of countries is very strange. There was no mention of Italy in the article whatsoever, or South Korea who had been testing religiously and have collected an incredible amount of data.
He's also assuming an infection rate of 1% of the general population, and then basically says that wouldn't be a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
What evidence do we have that the virus would stop there?
What the feck has gone on over the last few pages? People seem unclear about this.
Do NOT drink a lot of alcohol to become immune from Corona.
I just assumed it was a joke?
If I recall people actually died of alcohol poisoning in Iran because of this rumour.
But DO DRINK a lot of alcohol to forget about Coronavirus.
But drink high class alcohol (if you can afford it) otherwise the hangover might lead to that you think you have Covid-19.