SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I work in a bookies, I'm pretty surprised that they haven't decided to close yet considering there is basically nothing to bet on and most of our customers are older guys.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I like to think that Rishi, unlike Javid, is more of a "let the rich get rich and leave them be" Tory instead of the "let the rich get rich and leave them be, and also feck the poor because it's funny" Tory.

Then you had George Osborne who was a "I have no idea what I'm doing but let's kill the poor and steal their clothes" Tory.
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Think it's more populist vs conservative. Populists such as Johnson and Sunak have more in common economically with Corbyn than Thatcher (it's naturally popular to want something for nothing with a mythical person paying for it (spoiler alert the person paying for it is the same person who thinks they're benefiting from it)).

To some degree the country voted populist a few months ago, rather than Tory (a trend we've seen in the US).
 
Brwned said:
The "experts" on here are mostly amplifying what the expert consensus across the globe is. Are you seriously saying you think their best judgment about the health, economic and social outcomes is not worth following? No-one knows precisely what's going to happen, so it's all opinions at the end of the day, and your opinion counts as much as anyone else's?
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Don’t think that’s what I said at all is it? I am speaking only in relation to social distancing/shutdown. I literally say in my post there are not going to be any set right or wrong ways to do things, as we’re all going to be fecked one way or another. That’s just a fact.
There’s people on here slagging off old people for going out shopping , slagging people off for going to work, being on the streets and going the gym. Calling people killers amongst others things. Saying the government should have locked down at ‘this time’, calling for draconian measures etc etc. This is what I refer to when I say “experts”. To me it doesn’t look as if these people are able to see the bigger picture.
 
France has 1617 new cases and 78 new deaths.
 
Berbaclass said:
I work in a bookies, I'm pretty surprised that they haven't decided to close yet considering there is basically nothing to bet on and most of our customers are older guys.
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Paddy power have closed as of an hour ago. Others will follow I presume. But majority of people had long stopped coming in anyway.
 
Amar__ said:
No way it can last few years. I mean, the virus can last even more but this closedown will not last more than few months at maximum. I guess we will know more in few weeks, but I doubt everything can stop for more than few months.
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Probably a few weeks maximum, any long term lockdowns will do more damage than this virus ever could.

People who think we should all effectively put ourselves in prison indefinitely are just as big a problem as people going on with their lives as nothing is happening, if not more so!
 
Can anyone explain to me what as a sole trader, self employed person, who has kids, is not claiming universal credit, and is seeing business dwindle, what the chancellor has done for me? The Vat thing isn't relevant, and my next tax bill isn't until the end of July.

I'm not having a dig, I am just confused by what I am supposed to do if the money runs out. I have no inclination of going anyway near the reported minefield that universal credit apparently is.

Also the 1.4 million vulnerable who are supposed to self isolate, are they meant to do this alone? As my wife will be on the list (MS), if so I won't be going to work at all.
 
My mum works in the ambulance and they’re overwhelmed currently... I’m so worried for her given that she suffers from hypertension and occasional asthma outbreaks.
 
Leroy The Red said:
Paddy power have closed as of an hour ago. Others will follow I presume. But majority of people had long stopped coming in anyway.
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What confused me was that in Ireland since last week Ladbrokes, Boylesports and Paddy Power closed. I'm relatively out of the loop at the moment because I'm on a week's holiday but I'm not sure I will/should be going back to work next week.
 
Lyricist said:
Is there any way of explaining the death rate in Germany? How can it be so drastically lower across the country??
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This pops up every other day. Most likely explanation is that they are doing way more testing (particularly of people with mild symptoms) than other countries bringing the country's death rate closer to the "true" death rate. Also care capacity hasn't been reached which is Italy's main problem.
 
Carolina Red said:
Newbie @mehdimike has asked me to relay this question...

Do any of you know any statistics about the rate of recovered asthmatics? (For Covid-19)

The poster is from Iran and his father has asthma, which is prompting the question.
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I read somewhere that its high blood pressure that is red mark. Asthma yes, but not as much.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Can anyone explain to me what as a sole trader, self employed person, who has kids, is not claiming universal credit, and is seeing business dwindle, what the chancellor has done for me? The Vat thing isn't relevant, and my next tax bill isn't until the end of July.

I'm not having a dig, I am just confused by what I am supposed to do if the money runs out. I have no inclination of going anyway near the reported minefield that universal credit apparently is.

Also the 1.4 million vulnerable who are supposed to self isolate, are they meant to do this alone? As my wife will be on the list (MS), if so I won't be going to work at all.
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In the same boat mate business wise with a wife on state maternity that ends next week.
 
Lyricist said:
Is there any way of explaining the death rate in Germany? How can it be so drastically lower across the country??
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Pagh Wraith said:
This pops up every other day. Most likely explanation is that they are doing way more testing (particularly of people with mild symptoms) than other countries bringing the country's death rate closer to the "true" death rate. Also care capacity hasn't been reached which is Italy's main problem.
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Another popular explanation is that they are attributing deaths to the underlying health condition rather than the catalyst.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Can anyone explain to me what as a sole trader, self employed person, who has kids, is not claiming universal credit, and is seeing business dwindle, what the chancellor has done for me? The Vat thing isn't relevant, and my next tax bill isn't until the end of July.

I'm not having a dig, I am just confused by what I am supposed to do if the money runs out. I have no inclination of going anyway near the reported minefield that universal credit apparently is.

Also the 1.4 million vulnerable who are supposed to self isolate, are they meant to do this alone? As my wife will be on the list (MS), if so I won't be going to work at all.
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There has to be something annouced next week. Its easy to say we can match 80 percent of salaried employees wages but how do they come up with a figure for self employed people? What do they base it on?

Try and hang in there, there has to be something coming. Has to be
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Can anyone explain to me what as a sole trader, self employed person, who has kids, is not claiming universal credit, and is seeing business dwindle, what the chancellor has done for me? The Vat thing isn't relevant, and my next tax bill isn't until the end of July.
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It'll come, it's easy to address normal businesses first as it's a simple process with HRMC on working out what people earn. Self employed has many, many, many moving pieces and one cap won't fit all. They need to understand what values they give (presuming every self employed person declares everything they earn to the taxman) back to a self employed person, along with what the mechanic for paying them is. The latter is probably the most difficult.
 
Berbaclass said:
What confused me was that in Ireland since last week Ladbrokes, Boylesports and Paddy Power closed. I'm relatively out of the loop at the moment because I'm on a week's holiday but I'm not sure I will/should be going back to work next week.
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No chance they’ll be open next week. My mate works in a hills and he said it’s been dead. No racing, no football, pretty much just the fobts. Completely pointless remaining open at the moment.
Bookies are gonna struggle through this period massively, I used to work in PP and my shop alone we had weekly profits of 8-12k and staff are relatively paid well. Let’s see...
 
Leroy The Red said:
Bookies are gonna struggle through this period massively, I used to work in PP and my shop alone we had weekly profits of 8-12k and staff are relatively paid well. Let’s see...
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Given the obscene profits they make, they will be the last industry to go under. Morally, my heart weeps for them.
 
arnie_ni said:
There has to be something annouced next week. Its easy to say we can match 80 percent of salaried employees wages but how do they come up with a figure for self employed people? What do they base it on?

Try and hang in there, there has to be something coming. Has to be
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I am right I rechecked. That 80% of salary is subject to a maximum payment of 2.5k per month (just above median wage)
 
Where's the logic in closing all those places but then leaving shopping centres open? :wenger:
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Can anyone explain to me what as a sole trader, self employed person, who has kids, is not claiming universal credit, and is seeing business dwindle, what the chancellor has done for me? The Vat thing isn't relevant, and my next tax bill isn't until the end of July.

I'm not having a dig, I am just confused by what I am supposed to do if the money runs out. I have no inclination of going anyway near the reported minefield that universal credit apparently is.

Also the 1.4 million vulnerable who are supposed to self isolate, are they meant to do this alone? As my wife will be on the list (MS), if so I won't be going to work at all.
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Sounds like a lot of you are in the same boat, so I’d expect measures to cater for you up next, hopefully.
 
marktan said:
30% infection rate from only 2000 tests suggests the numbers in the UK are a lot, lot higher than what's currently being reported.
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Are these random tests of general population, or tests of people with coronavirus symptoms?

If it's tests of people with symptoms, then 30% isn't too bad.

If it's testing the general population with or without symptoms, 30% would be a staggeringly high number.
 
F-Red said:
It'll come, it's easy to address normal businesses first as it's a simple process with HRMC on working out what people earn. Self employed has many, many, many moving pieces and one cap won't fit all. They need to understand what values they give (presuming every self employed person declares everything they earn to the taxman) back to a self employed person, along with what the mechanic for paying them is. The latter is probably the most difficult.
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Well I hope you're right, as a tax deferment, and telling you that a benefit you don't claim will be topped up just doesn't cut it.

I have no issue with paying more tax further down the line to help extract the country from the financial black hole this must be creating, but I need practical, easy to get help very soon, just like the employed sector has been given.
 
Only 2000 tests in UK but yesterday we had 8k and day before 6k.

At least today the deaths are pretty low.

With half as many ICU beds as Italy and 2.5-2.8 beds per 1000 I fear UK is going to get hit hard soon, even if the cases are lower and testing is higher than some other countries at the end. Poor healthcare, near bottom of 40 countries for ICU/beds, poor health of the general public and careless attitudes and no mask wearing will take it's toll.
 
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If you do more testing then you are able to treat them earlier so they have a better chance of recovery. Korea tests about 16,000 at least per day. That gave them enough information and notice on who to treat immediately or not. That saved a lot of lives. Apart from China and Korea no one is or was testing this way. All respectable doctors and scientists and WHO is saying the same thing. Test and test and more testing.
 
Virgil said:
I am right I rechecked. That 80% of salary is subject to a maximum payment of 2.5k per month (just above median wage)
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Are you quoting the wrong person? The conversation i was part of was self employed persons, not employees
 
Foxbatt said:
If you do more testing then you are able to treat them earlier so they have a better chance of recovery. Korea tests about 16,000 at least per day. That gave them enough information and notice on who to treat immediately or not. That saved a lot of lives. Apart from China and Korea no one is or was testing this way. All respectable doctors and scientists and WHO is saying the same thing. Test and test and more testing.
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Does anybody know what the situation with testing is in Italy?
 
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