That's pretty scary.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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That's pretty scary.
Agree in the end it's everyone own choice but boy has the messaging been shit.
He's 50 (Which god makes me feel very old)
Don’t know about this. It is easy in practice, and most people have managed or even enjoyed the novelty of the first week, but a lot of organisations are far more worried about the pastoral care of their staff than they are productivity or even their staff getting COVID-19 right now. It’s only just dawning on people that six months to a year of this sort of livestyle is more likely than it blowing over by May.
Lives that you don't know?
Not everyone is a social recluse. It's a sacrifice that has to be made but it is not a trivial one.
If we consider the gravity of the situation (IMO, similar to that of WW2), it is an absolutely trivial one.
That was from this afternoon. I hadn't bothered to check this evening as I tend to do it at lunchtime as I prefer to not look at this shit in the evening. I'll update it anyway now.
13 more.
Zuckerberg doing an interview with Fauci:
In the entire world population... Easy there. People die every second of every day somewhere in the world.
Try not to focus on that, it will drive you mad.
Germany is incredible so far.
Concerning updates from the NHS recently:
-The PHE guidance is now that we use surgical masks even in confirmed cases
-We are already starting to get inpatient transmission
-We are no longer contact tracing....which means we're seeing patients who develop covid....and then not getting tested ourselves. So we're either self isolating for 14 days if we get symptoms or working and potentially continuing to spread
-Some hospitals in London are already starting to use theatres for intensive care space
-I have old professors/ colleagues who bloody specialise in epidemiology, outbreak control, public health etc etc. Until very recently, none of them were contacted and almost nobody of real significance in the field was really contacted, even though we have quite a few experts in the UK. Really concerning approach from the UK.
-While the consensus from the aforementioned colleagues seems to be that Prof Whitty is genuinely excellent, the opinion of Prof Vallance is significantly less glowing.
-People are stealing from the NHS. Whether its staff members or visitors (likely a mixture of both), alcohol gel, gloves, masks, wipes are all disappearing en masse.
-It feels like we're in the calm before the storm. At least in many London hospitals, we have stopped essentially all elective services. We are rewriting protocols.
There's definitely more but I'm a bit tired right now if I'm honest.
Some reading for those really interested:
The excellent Ferguson paper which supposedly brought about the change in tack from the UK and US.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
WHO report on China's response (still working my way through):
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...na-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
People need to wise up I think. I would still advocate against hysteria and I think the panic buying is ridiculous but people living their lives completely as normal is mind boggling to me.
-The PHE guidance is now that we use surgical masks even in confirmed cases
-We are already starting to get inpatient transmission
-We are no longer contact tracing....which means we're seeing patients who develop covid....and then not getting tested ourselves. So we're either self isolating for 14 days if we get symptoms or working and potentially continuing to spread
-Some hospitals in London are already starting to use theatres for intensive care space
-I have old professors/ colleagues who bloody specialise in epidemiology, outbreak control, public health etc etc. Until very recently, none of them were contacted and almost nobody of real significance in the field was really contacted, even though we have quite a few experts in the UK. Really concerning approach from the UK.
-While the consensus from the aforementioned colleagues seems to be that Prof Whitty is genuinely excellent, the opinion of Prof Vallance is significantly less glowing.
-People are stealing from the NHS. Whether its staff members or visitors (likely a mixture of both), alcohol gel, gloves, masks, wipes are all disappearing en masse.
-It feels like we're in the calm before the storm. At least in many London hospitals, we have stopped essentially all elective services. We are rewriting protocols.
There's definitely more but I'm a bit tired right now if I'm honest.
Some reading for those really interested:
The excellent Ferguson paper which supposedly brought about the change in tack from the UK and US.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
WHO report on China's response (still working my way through):
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...na-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
People need to wise up I think. I would still advocate against hysteria and I think the panic buying is ridiculous but people living their lives completely as normal is mind boggling to me.
I'm starting to like this Fauci fellow. I thought his first intervention was terrible, but am now thinking he knew very well the people around him and had he acted differently maybe he wouldn't be doing his job now.
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Awful. Poor guy. RIP
It's proper to give them the benefit of the doubt, particularly regarding the central government's actions. But at the same time for anyone casually reading, it's important to be aware of a particular foible of Chinese govt: local bureaucracies have a considerable bit of autonomy. Major example: the degree of religion suppression can differ between provinces. It's very possible (IMO extremely likely) that the scenario posted by Foxbatt is what happened. So posts like the above are probably best read together with the one below.
Exactly. We're talking TINY amounts of people here. It's not worth watching the numbers, because these numbers are very difficult for most people to contextualise.
I think he had an impossible job. Essentially, he has been prepared for 30 years for this to happen, and it happens at a time when there was a moron as his boss. He could have easily criticized Trump when Trump called it a flu or the number will soon go to 0, and then get fired with some clueless yes man being put in charge and then a catastrophe happening. So, he was diplomatic, while at the same time being very clear on his answers, and even criticizing when needed (like saying that the lack of testing was a failure).
He seems a very positive person and doing the best he can. The fact that he is at an age (79 years old) when getting the bug is easily a death sentence, but still working in such a demanding (and risky) job deserves utter respect.
5) There must be different strains out there. Some people test positive and have no symptoms, others get it and are down for the count. Or another crazy theory.... maybe Italians are more susceptible , something with their physiology/genetics.
Personally I think it's 2)
They tested 120 NBA players for coronavirus, all without any significant symptoms. 7 tested positive. I’ve been saying this, there must be millions of cases unaccounted for.
Actually it’s 10 already out of 135 I think.
Actually it’s 10 already out of 135 I think.
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It's definitely worth watching the numbers.
It’s 2020 - surely staying at home for a few weeks without getting bored couldn’t be any easier?
Its worth knowing what the numbers are, but I wouldn't advise anyone sit there and watch a counter go up, indicating someone in the globe has died because that sounds depressing as feck.
im inclined to agree. Hardly stranded in the desert
The last week hasn’t been bad at all. Plenty to do at home, I’m able to catch up on games, books and TV shows. Working from home has been fantastic, never realized I could be this efficient outside of office - even when it’s done I’m going to work from home at least 2 days a week. Shopping is pleasant as they don’t let many people inside the store and people usually come to buy supplies for 4-5 days, meaning there aren’t many people waiting anyway. I still get some fresh air as I have to walk the dog 3-4 times a day so that’s like 2 hours per day outside walking and listening to podcasts. I could carry on like that for months, having no sports to watch sucks but then again every Summer is like that and we get by. I miss being able to go grab a beer or dine out but I can survive without that for a while.
Yeah, agreed. It was just an observation... to see the number go up so quickly is disturbing.
Has anybody got any more information about some of the off-label usage of antivirals on Covid-19 patients?
Is there anything that has shown promise just yet?
Is there anything that has shown promise just yet?
It's not 2). We are basically not testing at all.
Our 3 year old daughter with 39,3 fever and dry cough was not able to get tested - and we live in the middle of Cologne, one of the hardest hit cities in Germany.
I personally think our gov is hiding stuff.
feck me, 13 doctors have died?
That kinda nails it home how deadly this is something we’re not being told.
I think all governments are hiding true nbers on this thing. I recieved a WhatsApp forward from a doctor working in chittagong, bangladesh. He said that in the last week alone there were 28 deaths linked with covid19 in the city of chittagong, but the official government number is 2 deaths total for the country.
To me, that’s the only thing that explains the death rate in Germany. They’re considering the death as from a pre-existing condition rather than from the virus that exacerbated it.
There is some suspicion that there are 2 strains and one is more deadly than the other but that doesn't explain Germany's data. A combination of mass testing (even if they are now short of test kits), good medical facilities and a disciplined population (sorry for the stereotyping but perhaps correct to some degree) is probably the main answer. If the death rate is only 3 times higher than the flu this is good news but bad news in that it teams the spread in places where poorer data exists is huge.
My cousin said Germany is restricting travel internally. Apparently Schleswig-Holstein recently closed their southern border. Not sure about the rest of the states.
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I don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere in this thread - that exposure to 'high viral load' can lead to worse outcomes; in other words, doctors and healthcare professionals are at extra risk because they're likely to be exposed to more of the disease in one go. Again, don't quote me on that. @Arruda ? Maybe can tell us if it's bullshit.
Another possibility is that healthcare professionals in Italy are getting sick with Covid-19 but not stopping to rest up, they're under tremendous stress and are continuing to work when sick. But that's only a guess.