SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Cal?]

It seems most people in Europe/America still don't wear masks

Hong Kong and Taiwan are both very close to the outbreak yet has this relatively contained because EVERYONE wears masks everyday.

 

[Sarni]

If this goes longer than April in Poland and we are not able to open bars/restaurants/cinemas, essentially leaving millions of people without income, I'm going to choose 2-3 families to support financially. I will still be making good money sitting at home and doing the exact same job I'd be normally doing but there'd be people unable to get food and pay rent out there.

 

[Carolina Red]

Please wish your wife all the best. Her and others on the front line are absolute heroes! If I ever come to SC after this I'd like to buy you both a drink.

I appreciate it dude. Hopefully we'll be able to have that drink one day!

 

[Nou_Camp99]

China = 3,237 deaths from 80,894 cases

Italy = 2,500 from 31,000 cases

Do we believe this is an accurate account from China?

 

[Pexbo]

Hid a speaker upstairs and played a siren so the kids have ran down panicking, "there's an alarm! What does it mean? Are we staying off school?"

"Nothing to worry about you little scamps, just getting you trained up for the alarm I will sound when our house is being invaded by an angry masked gang of hungry thugs brandishing baseball bats and knives. Go back to playing Nintendo for now but I want a quicker response next time."

 

[dwd]

We have only five legal reasons to leave the house: Go to work, go to groceries stores, for medical reasons, for family emergencies and to walk dogs or individual physical activities.

When we go out we need to fill an attestation with the reason for breaking the lockdown, our name, birthdate and address. There is an other form that is given by your employer attesting that you work for him.

Interesting. That's pretty much what I'm doing now anyway, apart from the paperwork aspect. How is that handled by the way? Surely it's a big burden on resources?

 

[Sarni]

It seems most people in Europe/America still don't wear masks

Hong Kong and Taiwan are both very close to the outbreak yet has this relatively contained because EVERYONE wears masks everyday.

Impossible to buy them here anymore.

 

[Sarni]

China = 3,237 deaths from 80,894 cases

Italy = 2,500 from 31,000 cases

Do we believe this is an accurate account from China?

Yes I'd say so. Italy are way above everyone else, I'd expect their ratio is inflated.

 

[Dante]

From a book written by Sylvia Browne in 2008.

She also said a sitting president in the US would die from a heart attack.

 

[TMDaines]

It seems most people in Europe/America still don't wear masks

Hong Kong and Taiwan are both very close to the outbreak yet has this relatively contained because EVERYONE wears masks everyday.

That Singapore lecture I posted earlier was very interesting, because they were explicit with their public that they DID NOT WANT them to wear masks everyday and waste them. They wanted them saved for when they would be most useful: both to protect others when you were contagious and for when you had to interact with people showing symptoms. Everyone wearing masks all the time in public is an awful waste for little benefit.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

China = 3,237 deaths from 80,894 cases

Italy = 2,500 from 31,000 cases

Do we believe this is an accurate account from China?

Nope. But the trend is still good news.

China probably had at least half a million cases.

 

[One Night Only]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Brilliant article - what social distancing means in terms of flattening the curve.

That's actually very useful, helped me understand it a bit more.

 

[Massive Spanner]

We have only five legal reasons to leave the house: Go to work, go to groceries stores, for medical reasons, for family emergencies and to walk dogs or individual physical activities.

When we go out we need to fill an attestation with the reason for breaking the lockdown, our name, birthdate and address. There is an other form that is given by your employer attesting that you work for him.

Good on you France. The good bois need to be given the utmost importance.

 

[TMDaines]

From a book written by Sylvia Browne in 2008.

She also said a sitting president in the US would die from a heart attack.

But did she put a bet on Leicester winning the league?

 

[golden_blunder]

He has got a plan. He wants a cross party response to all the issues and all the other parties are in agreement. Stop saying he can't deal with the situation in the country. Everybody knows it's an impossible situation and headless chicken comments don't help.

You're trying to score political points when we should all be pulling together. He said we are ramping up to 10,000 tests a day and aiming for 25,000. The money is there but finding people and locations to safely test people is a gargantuan challenge. Do you not get it?

They could use football stadiums like Ireland is doing with Croke Park

 

[TMDaines]

We have only five legal reasons to leave the house: Go to work, go to groceries stores, for medical reasons, for family emergencies and to walk dogs or individual physical activities.

When we go out we need to fill an attestation with the reason for breaking the lockdown, our name, birthdate and address. There is an other form that is given by your employer attesting that you work for him.

Can I ask you (French) and the Italians a practical question? How do you get these forms? I imagine most households don't have a printer!

 

[Dancfc]

What about the long terms impacts this virus may have? Lets say we return to normal after a month, more and more people catch it, what happens to the NHS? What about the deaths from the virus? Are we certain that younger people will not make up the mortality numbers as well? What about suicides and depression from losing loved ones? Will this not have an impact on the economy? We can't just ignore one problem in a bid to avoid another.

We spent crucial weeks ignoring this problem. I'd hope we don't make the same mistake again.

Which makes it crucial not to go too far one way or another.

Living the normal life isn't feesible right now but neither is being totally locked at home for anything but maybe a short interim period.

Precautions very much have to be taken but as in every walk of life at some point caution becomes counter productive and actually does more harm than good. The most frustrating thing about this for me is no one seems to be finding middle ground, it's either carrying on as normal or acting like the the skys falling down, both approaches will turn out to be very damaging.

 

[11101]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Brilliant article - what social distancing means in terms of flattening the curve.

That really is an excellent article.

 

[Volumiza]

Teachers shouldn't be getting a few months off with full pay for me. They should be in schools working with the small group of kids who can't stay at home because their families work in NHS etc. They could do their planning for next year too.

This is a great idea by the way.

Seen loads of tweets from teachers who clearly just want to be off work and get full pay. Absolutely no chance. You can still work like the rest of us.

I personally know 3 teachers. 2 of them are pretty well described by this. Any excuse. 1 on the other hand is a proper teacher.

 

[Volumiza]

When uk schools close, which they will, all childcare costs for NHS workers should be paid in FULL.

Mrs Volumiza's Mum is a senior in Nottinghamshires NHS and she is bracing herself. I can tell you they are in war footing.

 

[Dante]

This is a great idea by the way.



I personally know 3 teachers. 2 of them are pretty well described by this. Any excuse. 1 on the other hand is a proper teacher.

I used to be a secondary school teacher.

Pretty much everyone hates the job.

 

[11101]

Can I ask you (French) and the Italians a practical question? How do you get these forms? I imagine most households don't have a printer!

This is Italy's - https://www.interno.gov.it/sites/default/files/allegati/modulo-autodichiarazione-17.3.2020.pdf

You can print it, edit/sign on your phone, or the police/army will give you one if they stop you and you don't have one.

 

[Volumiza]

I used to be a secondary school teacher.

Pretty much everyone hates the job.

So I gather. It's such a shame as it is such an important job.

 

[Jippy]

London lockdown, with only chemists and supermarkets left open, could be announced on Friday, according to the FT.

 

[Berbaclass]

 

[mu4c_20le]

 

[JPRouve]

Don’t get me wrong I know people need to leave the house but that’s quite a consideration amount of reasons to leave the house. It’s basically what’s happened in the UK but instead of calling it lockdown it’s called essential travel.

Interesting. That's pretty much what I'm doing now anyway, apart from the paperwork aspect. How is that handled by the way? Surely it's a big burden on resources?

Yeah, the goal is basically to trick people into limiting drastically contacts, since we can't behave without stringent rules. I suppose that the burden is about the paperwork, honestly it's a bit of a farce, you print it yourself and if you are controlled you have to show it otherwise it's a 135€ fine.

 

[11101]

Great article here with graphics to explain why quarantine and social distancing works:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

 

[TMDaines]

How long until the same parents start yelling for schools to be open after having the kids at home for a week?

 

[Carolina Red]

From a book written by Sylvia Browne in 2008.

She also said a sitting president in the US would die from a heart attack.

She didn't predict this coronavirus. Dean Koontz didn't either.

 

[redshaw]

Could see a London lockdown as it's become a hotspot recently

 

[Rado_N]

It seems most people in Europe/America still don't wear masks

Hong Kong and Taiwan are both very close to the outbreak yet has this relatively contained because EVERYONE wears masks everyday.

People who don’t have it shouldn’t be wearing a mask.

 

[JPRouve]

Can I ask you (French) and the Italians a practical question? How do you get these forms? I imagine most households don't have a printer!

I asked myself the same question, I suppose that some don't have printers and I hope that the police will have forms and not simply fine people.

Edit: I missed the part where you don't actually need the form and can write the same things on a paper that you date and sign.

 

[Carolina Red]

Teachers shouldn't be getting a few months off with full pay for me. They should be in schools working with the small group of kids who can't stay at home because their families work in NHS etc. They could do their planning for next year too.

Seen loads of tweets from teachers who clearly just want to be off work and get full pay. Absolutely no chance. You can still work like the rest of us.

I dunno what teachers are doing where you are, but in 2 days I, and the rest of my school district's teachers, converted our entire curriculum over into a virtual learning format and are continuing to teach our students during this quarantine.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

104 have now died in UK

 

[mu4c_20le]

It seems most people in Europe/America still don't wear masks

Hong Kong and Taiwan are both very close to the outbreak yet has this relatively contained because EVERYONE wears masks everyday.

Does CDC recommend the use of facemask to prevent COVID-19?

CDC does not recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory illnesses, including COVID-19. You should only wear a mask if a healthcare professional recommends it. A facemask should be used by people who have COVID-19 and are showing symptoms. This is to protect others from the risk of getting infected. The use of facemasks also is crucial for health workers and other people who are taking care of someone infected with COVID-19 in close settings (at home or in a health care facility).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html

 

[Josep Dowling]

Could see a London lockdown as it's become a hotspot recently

Should have been at the weekend but our government is so reactive to everything.

 

[Smores]

Brother in law just drove past like 50 'tanks' (assuming he means personnel vehciles) heading london direction.

Could be an unrelated event and i got told by the wife so i take no responsibility for this statement

 

[Stookie]

It seems most people in Europe/America still don't wear masks

Hong Kong and Taiwan are both very close to the outbreak yet has this relatively contained because EVERYONE wears masks everyday.

It’s not really to do with masks. They might help a little but it’s really only fitted filtered face masks that really help. One reason Hong Kong is relatively well is because they are so well prepared after SARS. Hand sanitizers everywhere. Government instruction videos about cleanliness in your house, battalions of cleaners cleaning everything that’s frequently touched. They are just prepared for it. They kept all this up even though sars was a few years ago. I only know this because my sis lives there. Compare that to here.

 

[Peter van der Gea]

Brother in law just drove past like 50 'tanks' (assuming he means personnel vehciles) heading london direction.

Could be an unrelated event and i got told by the wife so i take no responsibility for this statement

Where were they coming from?