That's one of those moments where the government has to step in. You can't let emergency workers/designers get tangled in copyright and franchising debates. That's what emergency powers has to mean.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Stop or I'll say stop again!
I think this situation now brings into question the rights of pharmaceuticals/medical companies being allowed to patent such devices or even medicine.
All senior citizens should be shown some special footage from the italian hospitals. Maybe that will change their mind.
Pogue forwarded somethin which said they were being re-used. Also, how hard can it be to ramp up production???? Why isn't it being done yet?
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This kind of thing is much easier in small places than across whole countries.
Hopefully it turns into a PR disaster for the company and they stop threatening to sue.
Surprisingly ours is short and a bit vague. You can see it here by clicking on the link after "attestation individuelle".
Imagine that company CEO: Oh my, 3D printing our parts ? And for what purpose? Saving people ? The audacity ! SUE THEM!
I admit I'm having trouble processing this because I thought the virus could live on any surfaces for at least a few hours. For instance, you get an infected person coughing on his hand who then touches the button for the traffic lights and then someone else comes along later and presses the button and then unthinkingly touches his/her face a bit later. Isn't that a highly transmissible and realistic scenario that could be mitigated by a total lockdown?
Freely admit I have zero scientific understanding of this but i'm seeing quite a lot of conflicting information and different ideas.
Not giving them the dimensions as well, which could have made the 3D printed parts less likely to work.
It can live on surfaces for up to 9 days evidence suggests. Bleak.
This is a photography/cinematography channel I follow but the guy (the channel is him and his wife) is a doctor who clearly felt compelled to talk about the virus.
Good video and worth sharing.
Does anyone know anything about locking down London and the army are being readied?!
That's what my wife is concerned about. She obviously doesn't want to be wearing reused PPE.
The respirators are apparently expensive, and I'd imagine the hospitals are going to go the cheaper option.
Adapting and using "protective equipment" that isn't protective seem to be two different things.
I'm waiting for them to tell my wife to go into a room without proper PPE.
Make sure you aren't on the chair looking up at the lights when you knock them out. Glass will go everywhere.
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UK education secretary to make statement at 17:00GMT
The UK government's Education Secretary, Gavin Williamson - responsible for the system in England - will make a statement in the House of Commons at 17:00GMT.
In the past hour the governments in both Wales and Scotland have both said their schools would be closing by the end of the week.
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UK education secretary to make statement at 17:00GMT
The UK government's Education Secretary, Gavin Williamson - responsible for the system in England - will make a statement in the House of Commons at 17:00GMT.
In the past hour the governments in both Wales and Scotland have both said their schools would be closing by the end of the week.
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What's preferable? Going in with a used PPe or going in raw? Let's be honest, this is war time.
They have to plan for the worst outcome. I sit on these types of discussions a few times each year, albeit on banking issues but the concept is the same.
Just spent the day in London and nearly everyone I spoke to reckons the city will be on full lockdown by weekend. Most businesses are shutting up shop anyway as they've not got any customers
So many rumours flying around WhatsApp that it'll be tonight, not really buying it though.
Teachers shouldn't be getting a few months off with full pay for me. They should be in schools working with the small group of kids who can't stay at home because their families work in NHS etc. They could do their planning for next year too.
Seen loads of tweets from teachers who clearly just want to be off work and get full pay. Absolutely no chance. You can still work like the rest of us.
Seen loads of tweets from teachers who clearly just want to be off work and get full pay. Absolutely no chance. You can still work like the rest of us.
Quite likely soon judging by twitter.
It's inevitable. Happened in Italy, and protocols changing in UK.
There's a reason why people view health workers as heroes, and that's partly because they will ultimately knowingly put themselves at risk for the greater good of helping others.
Where are you getting that data from. I was using this:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...RE+GBR+United States - CDC samples tested+VNM
But the data for Ireland is a week old.
Many countries have scaled back after the initial outbreak because they believe the efficacy of testing once it is widespread in the community is reduced, as far as I understand. I know the WHO have said testing is of paramount importance based on other countries like Hong Kong and Singapore employing it but I believe it’s likely many other variables are at play, not least the emerging evidence that those countries have the perfect climates to stop spread.
I don’t think many conclusions can be drawn at present in this race to win the least deaths per capita from Coronavirus.
Speaking to my wife about it now... apparently the PPE aren't really designed as something that can be washed.
I'm really not sure what's behind the lack of testing. Vallance very much in committee yesterday seemed to want more and suggested the blame was elsewhere and wasn't about advice.
It appears to me not a matter of policy but an inability to organise at the pace required so they're prioritising actions. They'll get round to the type of testing seen elsewhere eventually.
It appears to me not a matter of policy but an inability to organise at the pace required so they're prioritising actions. They'll get round to the type of testing seen elsewhere eventually.
I wonder at what point this will all sink in and we will begin to understand the scale of it in terms of history.
I don't think (or hope not) that lives lost will be anywhere near the Spanish Flu / World Wars. But I fear that the economical impact and the way that it will change the lives of the majority of the world will be just as great. It really is terrifying to get your head around.
I don't think (or hope not) that lives lost will be anywhere near the Spanish Flu / World Wars. But I fear that the economical impact and the way that it will change the lives of the majority of the world will be just as great. It really is terrifying to get your head around.
It spreads multiple ways, the more chances of having contact with it the more likely you are to get it.
Home isolation is not designed to keep you away from others, it's designed to keep your family away from others, since it's assumed that everybody in a family unit will get it if one person has it. That's why the way the incubation period looks in mathematical models is much longer than the actual incubation period.
US research suggests it can survive 24 hours on cardboard and up to 3 days on plastic and some metals. It can survive in air for up to 3 hours, ordinarily droplets fall to the floor quickly but in very still air (ie a stuffy living room) can stay airborne for hours.
I'd expect it's cost. I don't think those tests are free and there's labor cost to perform them too.
They can still provide work to the students or even do some online lessons but I know the latter is harder to implement. Obviously they need something to live on even though there are many who won't get anything (but they should)
I work here, Hatton Garden, and the rumours just exploded that the army have been given permission to deploy to enforce a lockdown tonight. I just want to know if that's serious
This. Funny seeing people discuss football or basketball returning. We won't see any sports with live audience for a very long time.
A worldwide, prison-like lockdown for 4 weeks is by far the best way of tackling this outbreak.
Unfortunately, that's not possible in any sort of practical way. Going to prison is considered a punishment which is why everyone tries to avoid it.
Yes, the scenario you posted is possible (though unlikely, so please don't get too paranoid). It's why we all catch colds and flus every year. But even a regular lockdown will require people being allowed to leave their homes to go food shopping .
All we can do is try to come up with solutions that practise the art of the possible, whilst also trying to mitigate the inevitable economic collapse (eg. people losing jobs, homes and having no money) and the subsequent social pushback.
We also have to factor in that even if eradicate C19 in our small corner of the world, it could continue to exist in Asia, Africa or America and boomerang back after we try to lift the lockdown.
Basically, the virus is going to eventually defeat all our best efforts and infect 70-80% of the planet. We just have to try and slow it down at tactical times (informed by behavioural science and economics) so the NHS doesn't breakdown.
You don't really know how planning works do you.
Someone I know treats a doctor in the army saying that it's complete lockdown from tomorrow evening.
Glad to see we’re trying to emulate South Korea:
Coronavirus Ireland: Varadkar told that 15,000 tests a day can be carried out
TAOISEACH Leo Varadkar has been told that Irish health authorities should be able to carry out some 15,000 Coronavirus tests per day as efforts to battle the pandemic intensify.
On a visit to the National Virus Reference Laboratory (NVRL) in UCD on Wednesday, Mr Varadkar said that testing combined with social isolation were essential to combating the spread of the virus as had been shown in South Korea...
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.ind...-tests-a-day-can-be-carried-out-39055060.html
Coronavirus Ireland: Varadkar told that 15,000 tests a day can be carried out
TAOISEACH Leo Varadkar has been told that Irish health authorities should be able to carry out some 15,000 Coronavirus tests per day as efforts to battle the pandemic intensify.
On a visit to the National Virus Reference Laboratory (NVRL) in UCD on Wednesday, Mr Varadkar said that testing combined with social isolation were essential to combating the spread of the virus as had been shown in South Korea...
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.ind...-tests-a-day-can-be-carried-out-39055060.html
There’s a whole lot of bullshit on social media. I’m sure there will be a lockdown soon but it won’t be some sudden thing with no warning.
Lombardy is using 1 million masks per day and accounts for about half the total cases in Italy.