SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

One of the guys in my office had his mother in law stay for Christmas. She was running a high temperature on Xmas morning and grudgingly told them that she had tested positive via a LFT on Xmas eve. She ignored it and decided to travel as she didn’t want to disappoint the grandchildren.

My mate, his wife and one of his children have all tested positive this morning.

Why are people so selfish?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Did you catch it recently? That’s the only scenario in which you’re “omicron immune”
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It's my seventh day since the official PCR result and I'm finally showing negative on LFT. It ran through the whole family. Everyone including my elderly mum felt it for a day or three, then it was gone.
 
Garethw said:
One of the guys in my office had his mother in law stay for Christmas. She was running a high temperature on Xmas morning and grudgingly told them that she had tested positive via a LFT on Xmas eve. She ignored it and decided to travel as she didn’t want to disappoint the grandchildren.

My mate, his wife and one of his children have all tested positive this morning.

Why are people so selfish?
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Similar to our story only we stuck her in the box room as soon as we found out, left her food outside the door etc and once a day she was in the back garden with a mask on talking to us (socially distanced). So far, touch wood, we’ve all tested negative
 
golden_blunder said:
Similar to our story only we stuck her in the box room as soon as we found out, left her food outside the door etc and once a day she was in the back garden with a mask on talking to us (socially distanced). So far, touch wood, we’ve all tested negative
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Great news that you’ve managed to keep infection free mate. Christmas is stressful enough without dealing with all of that!
 
Looks like Boris is gonna do nothing and let England carry on being the Omicron Breading ground of the planet.
 
langster said:
Covid is ripping through my home town now with everyone dropping with it. The trouble is, a significant number of people have been coming out while feeling unwell. They have been shopping, drinking in the pubs all night, partying etc.. Some have openly said they thought or knew they had it but.didnt care and weren't isolating with a cold. Many others just kept quiet about it until they felt better.

Just now one of my regular customers who spends all day stood at the bar said he thinks he had it a couple of weeks ago and he hadn't been doing tests when he told us all he had. I had to close my pub as half my family and staff went down with it that week and he spent the entire week I'm the pub. Closing cost me thousands, and my family holiday to Lapland, Bi Bailey and a trip to OT etc... Plus the huge worry of making someone else sick.

It's the first time I've banned someone on Boxing day. I absolutely lost my shit.

I'm fecking furious.

#Rant over.
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Youve every right to be furious, thats disgraceful behaviour.
 
India is running boosters for people who’ve taken AZ with AZ itself as the third shot. Is there any data on this at all? And generally.. should I ask my parents to take it? Been 8 months since their second shot.
 
zing said:
India is running boosters for people who’ve taken AZ with AZ itself as the third shot. Is there any data on this at all? And generally.. should I ask my parents to take it? Been 8 months since their second shot.
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I believe that three jabs of AZ gives about the same level of protection against omicron as two jabs gave against Delta.

In the UK we are being offered Pfizer and Moderna as the booster, but I definitely wouldn’t have turned my nose up to a third shot of AZ had it been offered.
 
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zing said:
India is running boosters for people who’ve taken AZ with AZ itself as the third shot. Is there any data on this at all? And generally.. should I ask my parents to take it? Been 8 months since their second shot.
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Saw a tweet about an article saying the AZ boosting itself trials went well.
 
Garethw said:
I believe that three jabs of AZ gives about the same level of protection against omicron as two jabs gave against Delta.

In the UK we are being offered Pfizer as the booster, but I definitely wouldn’t have turned my nose up to a third shot of AZ had it been offered.
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And Moderna, which is what I had as my booster.
 
zing said:
India is running boosters for people who’ve taken AZ with AZ itself as the third shot. Is there any data on this at all? And generally.. should I ask my parents to take it? Been 8 months since their second shot.
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Without any other option, I think it's makes it worth going for it. I'll be getting my parents on it once eligible
 
My son's GF has used 4 LFT since Friday and all have been positive. My son is on his 3rd day of a fever of at least 100. He has taken two LFT test, Friday and Sunday, and both have been negative. He and his GH drove here on Thursday and were in a car for 12+ hours and live together. She is staying at her parents house at this time. Other than my son, no one else in my family has been around her since they arrived. I've taken two LFT test, Friday and most recent this morning. All negative. No one else, apart from my son is feeling unwell. I picked up some PCR tests this morning from the local health department. Son is going to take his today and drop it in the mail. The rest are waiting a day or two or until we feel something. I still have 9 LFT left. All of us are boosted except for my son and his GF.
 
zing said:
India is running boosters for people who’ve taken AZ with AZ itself as the third shot. Is there any data on this at all? And generally.. should I ask my parents to take it? Been 8 months since their second shot.
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Take whatever you can get IMO. They may not all be effective against infection, but I’m sure will be a strong boost against severe disease - and that’s all you should be worried about.
 
U.K. reports 98,515 new cases & 143 Deaths.
Substantial decrease, i’m aware that Mondays always present lower figures, but a positive start. Real test will be Friday
 


No further restrictions until NY has passed. Following the data indeed.
 
choccy77 said:
Looks like Boris is gonna do nothing and let England carry on being the Omicron Breading ground of the planet.
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You want more restrictions? You understand globally omicron will rise and rise and will become dominant until the next strain comes which will do the same. Restrictions again? Covid will be here forever. This is a fact which all scientists have made. If omicron is mild and hospitalises the unvaccinated why should everyone else be under restrictions? People will continue to die from covid, some may get long covid but you have to counter balance your restrictions argument with consequences of restrictions. Its the poor and middle who will suffer long term.

Nothing has worked. Not even vaccine passports. You need a 98%+ compliant and adherent population for good control. Western countries with libertarian attitudes will never have great control with covid . Lockdowns worked to keep the NHS from bulking. Vaccines have been amazing and should continue to be.

It's disturbing how much of the population now accept restrictions when we have had these highly effective vaccines. It's normalisation in some people's minds. It's not the society or life one should live in. If a highly contagious AND deadlier variant comes then fair enough. That's just piss poor luck. But by the looks of it the immunity built from infection and vaccines seems to be working.
 
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No further restrictions until NY has passed. Following the data indeed.
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I don't know what to make of this.

On the one hand, highest admissions since March sounds bad - but cases proportionate to infections remains relatively low, as do deaths.
 
Droid_Repairs said:
I don't know what to make of this.

On the one hand, highest admissions since March sounds bad - but cases proportionate to infections remains relatively low, as do deaths.
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But isn’t that the danger? It’s less severe but the rise in infection numbers makes up for that so say it’s 1000 hospitalised per 1m then 1000 per 3m makes no difference to overflowing capacity
 
Droid_Repairs said:
I don't know what to make of this.

On the one hand, highest admissions since March sounds bad - but cases proportionate to infections remains relatively low, as do deaths.
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It's also dependent on whether they're incidental infections.

1 in 10 people had Covid in London on 19 December. Assuming a 2.4 days doubling rate, that figure would now be 8 in 10. Obviously, it's not going to be quite that high in reality. But it shows that Covid is rampant in everybody - even those who are being treated for a broken arm or a nosebleed or a UTI.

So the figures for hospitalisation WITH Covid are far lees meaningful than the figures for hospitalisation OF Covid. Because the former would have happened anyway and aren't filling beds any more than normal, whereas only the latter would be improved by restrictions.
 
Is it right that people are spending less time in hospital/fewer in ICU with Omicron? If so, daily admissions might not mean the high build up of long-term patients it did during past waves.
 
Reddevildans said:
You want more restrictions? You understand globally omicron will rise and rise and will become dominant until the next strain comes which will do the same. Restrictions again? Covid will be here forever. This is a fact which all scientists have made. If omicron is mild and hospitalises the unvaccinated why should everyone else be under restrictions? People will continue to die from covid, some may get long covid but you have to counter balance your restrictions argument with consequences of restrictions. Its the poor and middle who will suffer long term.

Nothing has worked. Not even vaccine passports. You need a 98%+ compliant and adherent population for good control. Western countries with libertarian attitudes will never have great control with covid . Lockdowns worked to keep the NHS from bulking. Vaccines have been amazing and should continue to be.

It's disturbing how much of the population now accept restrictions when we have had these highly effective vaccines. It's normalisation in some people's minds. It's not the society or life one should live in. If a highly contagious AND deadlier variant comes then fair enough. That's just piss poor luck. But by the looks of it the immunity built from infection and vaccines seems to be working.
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Exactly this for me
 
Dante said:
So the figures for hospitalisation WITH Covid are far lees meaningful than the figures for hospitalisation OF Covid.
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Why are they mixing all the figures together? It would be nice to know the true stats but as you said this data is pretty meaningless.
 
I get calls for further restrictions but if we constantly impose restrictions for a virus everyone accepts isn’t going away when, like most viruses, it ebbs and flows in terms of case numbers isn’t that essentially like arguing we want constantly have the threat of lockdowns hanging over us permanently?

For economic reasons alone surely that can’t be allowed to be the situation
 
Just got my results, SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19): POSITIVE

Last 2 days have been very rough (fever, chills, dry throat, foggy head, extreme fatigue) - but thankfully no chest pains or difficulty breathing. Hoping to put this behind me soon.
 
stw2022 said:
I get calls for further restrictions but if we constantly impose restrictions for a virus everyone accepts isn’t going away when, like most viruses, it ebbs and flows in terms of case numbers isn’t that essentially like arguing we want constantly have the threat of lockdowns hanging over us permanently?

For economic reasons alone surely that can’t be allowed to be the situation
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The pandemic will end. They always do. We’ll eventually build up enough immunity (either through infection or vaccines) to defang the virus. We’re not there yet, though. The only sensible people calling for restrictions now are doing so as a short term fix to get us through this winter. From next winter on they should never be necessary again (until the next pandemic anyway!)
 
Suedesi said:
Just got my results, SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19): POSITIVE

Last 2 days have been very rough (fever, chills, dry throat, foggy head, extreme fatigue) - but thankfully no chest pains or difficulty breathing. Hoping to put this behind me soon.
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Feel better, were you vaccinated?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The pandemic will end. They always do. We’ll eventually build up enough immunity (either through infection or vaccines) to defang the virus. We’re not there yet, though. The only sensible people calling for restrictions now are doing so as a short term fix to get us through this winter. From next winter on they should never be necessary again (until the next pandemic anyway!)
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I want to believe that, but not many people saw saw the Omicron curveball coming. I do wonder how many more times a mutation will wreak havoc - especially if it pulls a MERS on us and mutates into something more lethal!
 
King Eric 7 said:
Why are they mixing all the figures together? It would be nice to know the true stats but as you said this data is pretty meaningless.
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The with covid/because of covid split isn't always recorded immediately on admission, sometimes awaiting test results or other diagnostics. It may not matter much initially in terms of treatment options, they still have to put you on some kind of covid ward to handle infection control. Net effect, the NHS gets raw beds numbers from English hospitals a couple of days before it gets the with/of data. The medical and scientific teams use the data as it arrives, the data also appears a bit later at:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
Some of the public files are updated daily, others weekly. Different people want different numbers, but all the data has to come from somewhere, and it arrives on different days.

The with/of split file is known as the Primary Diagnosis Supplement.

The split is running at about 3 covid patients to 1 "with covid" patient at present. That split can be deceptive of course. If you're in for a broken leg, the covid may just be uncomfortable and unpleasant but won't make your leg worse. If you're in for cancer treatment it might be more than your body can take.

Incidentally - all the stats this week need to be read with caution - they're still catching up with test results and data collection from Christmas weekend and some people will have delayed tests or even delayed going to hospital because they were trying so hard to enjoy Christmas they wouldn't accept they were ill. There's data missing and data delayed so headlines definitely aren't the whole story.
 
Droid_Repairs said:
I want to believe that, but not many people saw saw the Omicron curveball coming. I do wonder how many more times a mutation will wreak havoc - especially if it pulls a MERS on us and mutates into something more lethal!
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Omicron’s been a bit of a curveball in terms of contagiousness but it’s really just accelerated the positive trend of covid killing a smaller and smaller % of people it infects. Not necessarily because the variants become less lethal, so much as their impact on an increasingly vaccinated/infected population gets less and less problematic. I fully expect that trend to continue.
 
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Reddevildans said:
You want more restrictions? You understand globally omicron will rise and rise and will become dominant until the next strain comes which will do the same. Restrictions again? Covid will be here forever. This is a fact which all scientists have made. If omicron is mild and hospitalises the unvaccinated why should everyone else be under restrictions? People will continue to die from covid, some may get long covid but you have to counter balance your restrictions argument with consequences of restrictions. Its the poor and middle who will suffer long term.

Nothing has worked. Not even vaccine passports. You need a 98%+ compliant and adherent population for good control. Western countries with libertarian attitudes will never have great control with covid . Lockdowns worked to keep the NHS from bulking. Vaccines have been amazing and should continue to be.

It's disturbing how much of the population now accept restrictions when we have had these highly effective vaccines. It's normalisation in some people's minds. It's not the society or life one should live in. If a highly contagious AND deadlier variant comes then fair enough. That's just piss poor luck. But by the looks of it the immunity built from infection and vaccines seems to be working.
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We're in lockdown and cases have fallen by more than 10k per day in a short time
 
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