SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Regarding 3rd dose + booster, has been guideance from JCVI, CDC

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...ose-vaccination-for-severely-immunosuppressed
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html

Nearly half of organ transplant patients + those of high dose immunosuppresants were unfortunately found to have very low levels of antibodies post two doses of covid vaccines, but improved with 3rd - with ongoing larger scale trials regarding efficacy.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2111462
 
choccy77 said:
I was referring more to Victorian's (from Victorian age) rather than Aussie Victorians.

Hopefully, deaths for you are limited.
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I know. I was joking. And they are called Victorian's BTW.

Deaths are continuing and will do so as we open up but the very high vaccination rates and hopefully booster rates will help.

So far we gave had just over 2000 deaths in 2020/2021 from a population of just over 25 million.
 
choccy77 said:
Well, he is running out of ways of having a lockdown.

He says he doesn't want a pingdemic, which would force people to stay home, he has scrapped the 10 day isolation and he say's there won't be a lockdown, so i'm not sure what in theory he is trying to do, because i'm sure that the scientists' will want a lockdown and it will be necessary, unless, they believe herd immunity is now okay, as they have vaccines to reduce deaths, but not illness.
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It’s really no different to the 3 previous national lockdowns.

2 weeks before lockdown 1 he said there was a 0% chance of a lockdown in this country, that’s actually when I thought ok we’re gonna have a lockdown.

Same with the one in November, came after weeks of Boris, apparently, not wanting a lockdown and ignoring the data, and similar with the early Jan lockdown.

The first one you could say ok he didn’t want it but then had a change of mind, either incompetence or at first thought more people would voluntarily lockdown.

But once it becomes a pattern you realise it’s a strategy. Also all lockdowns get announced after something along the lines of #lockdownUKnow trends massively on Twitter.

The first one in March 2020 there was warm sunny weather, and lots of people went to beaches/parks etc was all over the news. Twitter went wild that weekend. Then on the Monday he made the “you must stay at home except for “ announcement.
 
choccy77 said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Boris is ignoring all the advice so that he can say I gave you all a Christmas as promised, then in early January, he will lockdown.

He has been adamant that he won't lockdown over this Christmas. But at what cost?
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His job
 
Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
It’s really no different to the 3 previous national lockdowns.

2 weeks before lockdown 1 he said there was a 0% chance of a lockdown in this country, that’s actually when I thought ok we’re gonna have a lockdown.

Same with the one in November, came after weeks of Boris, apparently, not wanting a lockdown and ignoring the data, and similar with the early Jan lockdown.

The first one you could say ok he didn’t want it but then had a change of mind, either incompetence or at first thought more people would voluntarily lockdown.

But once it becomes a pattern you realise it’s a strategy. Also all lockdowns get announced after something along the lines of #lockdownUKnow trends massively on Twitter.

The first one in March 2020 there was warm sunny weather, and lots of people went to beaches/parks etc was all over the news. Twitter went wild that weekend. Then on the Monday he made the “you must stay at home except for “ announcement.
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I totally understand and agree, but this time, I think he is gonna do this differently, because he is on such a thin rope now and he will have a challenge for leadership no doubt as a result.

He has lied at every turn whether it's Lockdowns or Parties and there is no trust in him , which is the biggest issue ultimately.
 
Heard Chris Whitty on the radio saying that there's genuine fears that the NHS may be overwhelmed - but that obviously they'll take steps to try to prevent that happening. The presenter asked if decisions would have to be made on who received treatment and who didn't and Whitty said 'well, if it was overwhelmed, then sadly yes'.

I remember reading the guidelines a while back, and the current triage decisions are made almost solely on age, right?

Anyone think that's...unfair? I know it's a near impossible situation, but at this stage people have had a long, long time to get vaccinated. I'd find it much more palatable to tell an unvaccinated 35 year old 'go home and good luck with your decision' than to tell a 70 year old who's triple vaccinated - been fully on board with the social contract - that they wouldn't be receiving treatment.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Must have slept through that lecture. I’ve been telling friends/family that random pleuritic pain is caused by cramp in the intercostal muscles. Just as well none of them listen to me any more.
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Oh man I used to get those something fierce when I was younger.
 
I would be amazed if there aren't further restrictions put in place before christmas.
 
Bwuk said:
I would be amazed if there aren't further restrictions put in place before christmas.
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Absolutely, although Johnson is going to die on the sword of Christmas this year and slay it. I currently have friends whom I thought sensible that are spouting this “it’s mild disease” rubbish from SA as a reason just to carry on and let it run riot. It seems they don’t have the logic to comprehend that if it really is as transmissible as it seems, then it doesn’t matter if it’s 4x less deadly because hospitals will still get overrun and public services will have to shut down because of the amount of isolations. Then people can’t get to work anyway.

I can honestly see a January “circuit breaker” happening - I think they will try to avoid another three month lockdown like the other two.
 
arnie_ni said:
Shared on fb and liked by someone I follow:

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There are two Nobel Peace Prize winners and one nominee on this list.

Dr. Michael Yeadon (Former Pfizer VP)
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Copied and pasted it and I don't see my GPS name on there but he did tell me its a political and economic problem not a health problem??"
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Kary Mullis died in 2019. How are anti-vaxxers trying to use him ?
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Kary Mullis died in 2019. How are anti-vaxxers trying to use him ?
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It's just copy and paste nonsense. None of the people posting that sort of garbage know who any of them are.

You could put Dr Bwuk Redcafe in there and no-one would pick it up.
 
On Sky News tonight

I have never been more concerned that I am tonight' - WHO special envoy
Dr David Nabarro, special envoy on COVID-19, is providing an update from the World Health Organisation on the Omicron variant.


Speaking to Sky News, he said: "We're concerned that people are dismissing Omicron as mild. Even if Omicron does cause less severe disease the sheer number of cases will once again overwhelm health systems.

Dr Nabarro insisted this is a "very serious situation," adding "today is just the beginning of an extraordinary acceleration".

He said this is an "emergency situation" for the NHS which will get "extremely serious" within the next two weeks - "perhaps quicker".

Dr Nabarro added he has "never been more concerned that I am tonight" at any other point in the pandemic.
 
Only sensible way to try and minimise this is with a 3 week lockdown, but it will never happen now.

France have said, vaccinations are mandatory tonight.
 
I'm having my booster on Thursday. Got to say I'm quite nervous about catching it whilst I'm there given how transmissible this variant is. Hopefully there'll be no queues but I kind of doubt that.
 
P-Ro said:
I'm having my booster on Thursday. Got to say I'm quite nervous about catching it whilst I'm there given how transmissible this variant is. Hopefully there'll be no queues but I kind of doubt that.
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Use ffp2/3
 
Is it just the UK that Omicron cases are rising rapidly and science experts are saying they are really worried or is this happening in other countries.How are things now in Austria, Germany, Poland, Holland and Slovakia , places that were struggling a couple of weeks ago, have they got a grip of it now? It feels like Omicron has arrived in the UK and just escalated really quickly.
 
djembatheking said:
Is it just the UK that Omicron cases are rising rapidly and science experts are saying they are really worried or is this happening in other countries.How are things now in Austria, Germany, Poland, Holland and Slovakia , places that were struggling a couple of weeks ago, have they got a grip of it now? It feels like Omicron has arrived in the UK and just escalated really quickly.
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Worldwide.

The guy was just talking to Sky, hence more directed for UK
 
Google have announced they will suspend all unvaccinated employees, first with pay, then without, before firing them.
 
As brutal as this is, we’ll arguably now see what “letting it rip” actually means. Seems like they’re unable or unwilling to commit to contain it.

Absolutely savage situation, really really hope we don’t see a huge influx in hospitals. Is it the faintest of silver linings that this wave should, in theory, be much shorter by virtue of everyone getting it at the same time? (I honestly don’t know).
 
Spark said:
As brutal as this is, we’ll arguably now see what “letting it rip” actually means. Seems like they’re unable or unwilling to commit to contain it.

Absolutely savage situation, really really hope we don’t see a huge influx in hospitals. Is it the faintest of silver linings that this wave should, in theory, be much shorter by virtue of everyone getting it at the same time? (I honestly don’t know).
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If its as transmissible as they claim it will all be over by February with this variant anyway.
 
Stack said:
Actually I really hope its all over quickly for you guys, its been a shit fight so far on multiple fronts. I have a lot of relatives back in the UK so fingers crossed.
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You won't have to worry about that we have incompetence in all aspects of our leadership and a population that a sizeable portion really don't care anymore :nervous:
 
Stack said:
Actually I really hope its all over quickly for you guys, its been a shit fight so far on multiple fronts. I have a lot of relatives back in the UK so fingers crossed.
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NZ will most likely have more of a problem with omicron than UK. Although summer and holidays might level the playing field a bit.
 
massi83 said:
NZ will most likely have more of a problem with omicron than UK. Although summer and holidays might level the playing field a bit.
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It will be interesting, we have a higher vaccination rate and an arguably more compliant population to health restrictions. Also apart from 3 cities a much lower population density. Truth is nobody really knows how it will play out
 
Stack said:
It will be interesting, we have a higher vaccination rate and an arguably more compliant population to health restrictions. Also apart from 3 cities a much lower population density. Truth is nobody really knows how it will play out
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They have a lot more immunity thanks to prior infections. Not a certainty, but a bet I would be happy to take.
 
Stack said:
It will be interesting, we have a higher vaccination rate and an arguably more compliant population to health restrictions. Also apart from 3 cities a much lower population density. Truth is nobody really knows how it will play out
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The big advantage the UK has, in theory, is a lot of prior exposure to the virus. Which fills in a lot of the gaps left by the unvaccinated. Although South Africa had even higher past exposure and it still took off like crazy. Although that was still a big factor in their (probable) shift to milder illness.

NZ (and Australia) are unusual in that their unvaccinated population is completely naive when it comes to covid exposure. Which might cause a much higher % of serious illness than you’d see elsewhere.

All ifs, buts and maybes though. Something that doesn’t get mentioned much is that it’s summer in South Africa now. And there does seem to be more and more of a seasonal element to the virus. NZ could be saved by a decent summer or in deep shit if omicron doesn’t kick off down under for another few months (highly unlikely).
 
It's very worrying how despite the world going through so many different strains and also many being vaccinated herd immunity doesn't seem to be a thing here. How is this ever going to naturally die out if we can't seem to become naturally immune?

Every time there's a new dominant strain people keep getting reinfected. First it was the Wuhan one, then the brittish one, then delta and now omicron. Is anyone else not concerned about this? This wave of omicron is now causing masses to get sick I am hoping this will contribute to at least some form of herd immunity.

But feels like everytime a new predominant strain is spread we are back to square one.
 
BlueHaze said:
It's very worrying how despite the world going through so many different strains and also many being vaccinated herd immunity doesn't seem to be a thing here. How is this ever going to naturally die out if we can't seem to become naturally immune?

Every time there's a new dominant strain people keep getting reinfected. First it was the Wuhan one, then the brittish one, then delta and now omicron. Is anyone else not concerned about this? This wave of omicron is now causing masses to get sick I am hoping this will contribute to at least some form of herd immunity.

But feels like everytime a new predominant strain is spread we are back to square one.
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It feels that way but we’re not. Vaccines and past exposure is giving us a lot of protection. At square one the whole world had to go into lockdown to stop healthcare services being overwhelmed. Yet we more or less got through the delta wave from start to finish leading fairly normal lives. That shows how far we’ve come.
 
BlueHaze said:
It's very worrying how despite the world going through so many different strains and also many being vaccinated herd immunity doesn't seem to be a thing here. How is this ever going to naturally die out if we can't seem to become naturally immune?

Every time there's a new dominant strain people keep getting reinfected. First it was the Wuhan one, then the brittish one, then delta and now omicron. Is anyone else not concerned about this? This wave of omicron is now causing masses to get sick I am hoping this will contribute to at least some form of herd immunity.

But feels like everytime a new predominant strain is spread we are back to square one.
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The theory with heard immunity is your body builds up some immunity but like the flu, it changes every year, the problem right now with covid, is that there are two major variations (currently) Delta and Omicron and so the body has to fight off two mutations which in theory, can then cause more unknown issues in future as those two evolve and change again, so herd immunity isn't necessary as ideal as it was before.

The biggest worry, is what will come next or even after that in a few years time, which could be more dangerous, as some have already speculated.

Cold, Flu, Covid mutations, we may never find a total cure.
 
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