The health services in the UK and Europe won't be able to cope with this?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Not really, thanks for asking. I still have a pain in my chest and came home from work at lunch, have been a bit breathless since midday. I've just got off the phone to 111 and am waiting for a clinician to call back.
Looking at London it looks like it's confirmed that cases have doubled in the past week. Chances are that rise will be omicron. In fact by now London cases may be 80% omicron.
Stop testing! Bring the numbers down!
It's rampant here, I have it, G.F has it - about 15 others we both know between us have it. Never known anything like it all pandemic.
It's totally their choice..... I just hope they don't have any serious issues.
Weren't cases always going to ramp up at this exact date and for the next 7 days? Everyone doing tests even without symptoms or close contacts on the off chance they are positive. Get the run up to Christmas off work and enough time to wrap pressies and be free for Christmas day?
Or am I just a grumpy old fart and people wouldn't actually do that?
Or am I just a grumpy old fart and people wouldn't actually do that?
Ok Tory
The strangest post. Even if it were true in what way would that be a bad thing? The more positive cases you catch the better for everyone else.
I like how this always devolves into some shit political bollocks for absolutely no reason.
You've gotta take the next 2 weeks stats with a pinch of salt. It's literally the worst time for data collecting for a new variant. Or the best time maybe.
Asymptomatic people don't normally test, now you'll have a percentage who are.
You're either getting more positives than usual, or you're seeing a better real number due to asymptomatic testing.
That’s a huge rise in cases. Weekend lag?
You posted this before my next post but I posted again, it's not a bad thing. It can be seen as a good thing, but the reporting will just show "this many cases, it's a spreading faster than we thought" and those will be the headlines.
But because I have a different view point, the super intelligent posters who think they own the thread will be out to attack me and call me a Tory or an anti vaxxer because ... You know, internet points.
Good point, I forgot about weekend lag, but with the test shortages, would weekend lag could carry over into Wednesday too? Tomorrow may be even higher.
Isn’t the doubling time just quite short now like 2/3 days.
I believe that statistic was from SA, which has a very different demographic and vaccine status etc etc. But I could be wrong. I mean if it genuinely is doubling here every 2/4 days then unless severity is significantly reduced, hospitals will surely be overrun in days or matter of a few weeks?
That’s what people on Reddit are saying in some threads I’ve just been reading.
If that’s the case, and applies to modelling for the UK, if we don’t yet categorically know it’s much less severe, then … well not to be a pessimist but aren’t we fecked? Someone please tell me why I’m wrong
Jabs and boosters should keep our hospital numbers down I think? That's why there's a a huge booster push.
Man this is depressing news. Guessing it’s a race against time in terms of boosters? Do we know how the rest of the country is in terms of Omicron infection vs London?
Yeah but just mathematically, even if they keep numbers low as a %, if the raw number grows too big, which it will at this rate (not done any actual calcs but intuitively), that won’t be sufficient? Hopefully with school holidays and WFH the growth will slow, but who knows.
I know of a few people who have been ill recently but are relying on negative LFTs to convice them it's not Covid. So the number of people soldiering on without doing a PCR test probably negate any idea that more completely asymptomatic people are taking them and skewing the figures.
78k new cases is grim
Also is the first time that there hasn’t been a leak about a press conference? Or does this mean not much will happen?
The other problem is that London being the epicentre of it all is also bad as the people working there, many of them will return home over the next week or so for Christmas.
It's growing too fast - on the 11th it was 19% in the north west for example (last published data) but it's probably 50% by now.
What is the reason for this?
No new measures, just pushing the booster message
Whitty seems very concerned
That's pretty conclusive.
Holy shit. Presume that’s one third of total population? (i.e. including kids too young to get jabbed) Which would be less bad.
The text in the white window:
Do only take a pcr-test if you need it.
Because of the pressure on the testing sites, Statens Serum Institute advices you to take a rapid corona test if you only need the result for your corona pass.
text in blue window:
When should you take a pcr-test?
sunnhedsmyndighederne (health institute) advices you to book a test if you:
- have covid-19 symptoms
- are a close contact to one who tested positive on covid-19
- have tested positive for covid-19 on a rapid test
when should you take a rapid test?
If you don’t tick any of the options above, you should instead take a rapid test.
Maybe a lot of children in that number and probably due to a large population/communities not registered to the NHS/with UK citizenship/aren't targeted for vaccine programmes.
GP records less accurate - people who've left the area or even the country sometimes still on the lists, particularly in student areas.
Plus the population skews younger and whereas nationally older people are 95%+ vaccinated, that's not true for younger adults where it's more like 65-70%
There are other factors around population demographics as well - ethnicity and housing density being the most obvious ones. However, nationally, areas with high levels of past infection and low average age are the least vaccinated. A lot of people see past infection (whether that was proven by testing or just by thinking "I must have done") as enough, particularly if they think they are otherwise healthy.
It seems to be similar in some of Manchester's most busy/cosmopolitan/young areas as well: Link
Speaking personally, I live and work in the city centre and (pre-pandemic) would go out clubbing every weekend. That meant I'd inevitably end up getting colds and flus quite regularly. But I'd also recover equally quickly and my illnesses never got too severe.
I think people in dense population/nightlife areas have an unrealistically high opinion of their own immune systems because of their prior experiences with other milder diseases. It's a sentiment I hear a lot from friends who think they'll be okay because they've always been okay in the past. In fact, I think the same to some degree. But I'm not going to turn down a free vaccine that gives me a stronger immune system with less risk than catching Covid itself.
Is Robert Peston a real person? His intonation is beyond parody.
Trent Crimm is within parody.
Ok, thanks. So they’re still PCR testing everyone with symptoms and close contacts of cases. Be interesting to see how much longer they can keep that up.
A lot of countries will have to pivot to LFTs. And I’m getting the impression they’re even more inaccurate with omicron than they were with previous variants.
I can't see the article but I think they're talking about the 12+ population. Around 68% of over 12s have had one dose in London region, 61% have had two. Higher than that in some wealthy suburbs, but much lower in some other areas (including in some where it may be a GP record admin issue rather than a real phenomena)
So from this it seems we can go out, clubbing, etc. I've got an Xmas party tomorrow night (not at Downing Street) and all of us just breathed a sigh of relief.
Oh, Whitty just said don't go. Screw that. We will all get pre tested (LFT) before we're allowed through the doors.
Oh, Whitty just said don't go. Screw that. We will all get pre tested (LFT) before we're allowed through the doors.