SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Dumbstar said:
So from this it seems we can go out, clubbing, etc. I've got an Xmas party tomorrow night (not at Downing Street) and all of us just breathed a sigh of relief.

Oh, Whitty just said don't go. Screw that. We will all get pre tested (LFT) before we're allowed through the doors.
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Just got to weigh up whether you want to catch it or not really, as doing any activity that involves a lot of people indoors is a huge risk right now.
 
Dumbstar said:
So from this it seems we can go out, clubbing, etc. I've got an Xmas party tomorrow night (not at Downing Street) and all of us just breathed a sigh of relief.

Oh, Whitty just said don't go. Screw that. We will all get pre tested (LFT) before we're allowed through the doors.
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It's tricky now what to do for the best. I have one next week and really want to go but I'm starting to think if it's irresponsible to do so.
 
TheReligion said:
It's tricky now what to do for the best. I have one next week and really want to go but I'm starting to think if it's irresponsible to do so.
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In situations such as these, I commend to you the Chinese relativity axiom. No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats (or whether or not you go next week), approximately one billion Chinese couldn’t care less.
 
TheReligion said:
It's tricky now what to do for the best. I have one next week and really want to go but I'm starting to think if it's irresponsible to do so.
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unless you intend to be a hermit for the next 2 months just go it’s very likely no matter what you will come in contact with the virus if your are out and about
 
Volumiza said:
Had my Moderna booster yesterday and have woken up with a dull but uncomfortable pain in the left hand side of my chest, just under my left nipple. Gets worse when I breath in. Could have just slept funny I guess but my minds racing.
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I had my Moderna booster on Monday (had a couple Pfizers before - tasty little cocky for me!) and was absolutely cooked yesterday. Woke up all feverish with a cracking headache and general muscle aches all over. Woke up this morning feeling much better... basically back to normal.

I was fine after my other two jabs, but this one just steamrolled me. Hope you're beginning to feel better, but you may be a bit grim for another day or so!
 
So they were telling people to have 4 jabs tonight?

So i'm guessing that on the most venerable, they don't feel 3 jabs are enough.
 
BluesJr said:
Just got to weigh up whether you want to catch it or not really, as doing any activity that involves a lot of people indoors is a huge risk right now.
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I'm hoping the tubes will be nigh on empty and the only people inside will be tested. Testing is mandatory on the day. Obviously doesn't eliminate the risk but no way am I going anywhere else.

As for risks, I need to take pre flight PCR test in 10 days or that's over a grand in tickets down the drain. I need to hope that if I do catch it, it clears out of the system just before! :nervous:
 
Volumiza said:
Not really, thanks for asking. I still have a pain in my chest and came home from work at lunch, have been a bit breathless since midday. I've just got off the phone to 111 and am waiting for a clinician to call back.
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Fingers crossed mate. For what it's worth someone at work had theirs a couple of weeks ago and had awful chest pains after, spoke to 111 etc and got checked but turned out to just seemingly a bit of a rough reaction to it and nothing worse. Let us know how you get on.
 
jojojo said:
They'll stick to boosters and tests I think. We'll probably hear them start to ramp up the advice (maybe like Scotland?) but I doubt we'll hear actual regulations coming in.
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We’ll have to start calling you the bloody oracle :D

Spot on again pal.
 
Dumbstar said:
So from this it seems we can go out, clubbing, etc. I've got an Xmas party tomorrow night (not at Downing Street) and all of us just breathed a sigh of relief.

Oh, Whitty just said don't go. Screw that. We will all get pre tested (LFT) before we're allowed through the doors.
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Up to you. You know the risk at this stage.
 
I was supposed to be going to a gig tonight in London but decided not to. My wife is pregnant so need to be careful at the moment.

I haven't been feeling too good this week anyway (Don't think it's covid related) just run down from work, so many people off sick at the moment.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
Surely not? Where did you hear that?
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Just read it on the news.

I'll find it again.



BBC NEws

Prof Whitty, answering a question about shielding, says the government doesn't want to make the most vulnerable people do this again - unless it's absolutely necessary.

He reminds them they should get four doses - rather than three - of a coronavirus vaccine, wherever possible.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
Surely not? Where did you hear that?
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BRITS will not be told to return to shielding, Chris Whitty confirmed tonight - but urged all vulnerable to get three jabs AND a booster.

The Chief Medical Officer updated vulnerable people tonight, but told them they should not return to staying inside at the moment, despite the huge spread of omicron.

He appeared alongside Boris Johnson at a press conference this evening, where the pair urged everyone to come forward and get boosted now to have the best chance of fighting the new mutant variant, which is spreading like wildfire.

Professor Whitty told the nation tonight: "shielding came with some very serious downsides for the people involved - including loneliness and mental health issues, practical problems.

"So it's not an area we want to go down if there's any way of avoiding doing so.

"But there is a lot of things we need to be doing for the clinical vulnerable and they include for people who are immunosuppressed.

"Hopefully, most people who are in that situation know that they should get three doses of vaccine as their primary course.

"And then subsequently, they should get a booster on top of that.

"So they should have four doses in comparison to the rest of the population.

"And then we'll be wanting to look at in terms of antiviral drugs, and how we best can use them in this group of people who are particularly high risk."
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Pogue Mahone said:
Surely not? Where did you hear that?
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It's likely to be a policy for the immune suppressed and clinically extremely vulnerable - broadly the group they're describing as getting "dose 3" rather than a booster.

Some of those are going to get a recommendation to go for a booster/fourth dose in the next couple of months.
 
Just to post again from BBC news re 4 jabs comment from Whitty



Prof Whitty, answering a question about shielding, says the government doesn't want to make the most vulnerable people do this again - unless it's absolutely necessary.

He reminds them they should get four doses - rather than three - of a coronavirus vaccine, wherever possible.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if Boris is ignoring all the advice so that he can say I gave you all a Christmas as promised, then in early January, he will lockdown.

He has been adamant that he won't lockdown over this Christmas. But at what cost?
 
choccy77 said:
Just to post again from BBC news re 4 jabs comment from Whitty



Prof Whitty, answering a question about shielding, says the government doesn't want to make the most vulnerable people do this again - unless it's absolutely necessary.

He reminds them they should get four doses - rather than three - of a coronavirus vaccine, wherever possible.
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So only the most vulnerable people; immuno-compromised etc., and not everyone.
 
calodo2003 said:
Who is Professor Whitty, similar to our Dr. Fauci?
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"Professor Chris Whitty is Chief Medical Officer (CMO) for England, the UK government's Chief Medical Adviser and head of the public health profession."

https://www.gov.uk/government/people/christopher-whitty

So more like Theresa Tam in Canada than Anthony Fauci in the US in terms of their govenrment function; but they're all the national/federal face of public health for COVID-19.
 
choccy77 said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Boris is ignoring all the advice so that he can say I gave you all a Christmas as promised, then in early January, he will lockdown.

He has been adamant that he won't lockdown over this Christmas. But at what cost?
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I wouldn’t say ignoring it… Lockdown requires consent from the majority of the population to work, unless if you want to go all brutal and military. So most likely scenario is that you have all the scientist presenting data that makes people come to the conclusion that lockdown is the solution, the man in charge saying that won’t happen..

Kind of like putting vegetables with the sweets and telling children not to eat the vegetables
 
africanspur said:
Almost every single person with severe enough Covid requiring level 2/3 care (HDU/ICU) in my hospital at the moment are unvaccinated. Almost exclusively those who are dying from it are unvaccinated. The ones who do have it and are vaccinated are usually either incredibly unlucky (ie they're immunosuppressed due to other factors) or are in for other reasons but happen to be covid positive.

All of the above presents issues with cohorting patients, which in turn will have an impact on decision making for escalating patients care (or not being able to provide that care for some), hospital resources and to be totally frank, staff burnout, morale and fatigue.

I'm nowhere near as aggressive as some on here regarding the unvaccinated. I happen to think in the UK at least and across much of Europe we have an incredibly high vaccine uptake and see that as a cause to be celebrated, rather than something to head bang about for the last 10-15%. Humans are not homogenous and we never have been. To expect pretty much 100% uptake on anything is incredibly unlikely. Nor am I particularly keen to enact some of the draconian measures some seem so keen on for the unvaxxed. I'd say most who are unvaxxed now do not fall into the anti-vaxxer nutter territory and trying to exclude them totally from society is probably not the way to go.

However, it is an unfortunate fact that this tiny proportion of unvaccinated take up a hugely disproportionate amount of hospital resources at present and affect others' care. Patience is wearing thin.
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Here in Australia 90% of Victorians are vaccinated and 91% of those admitted to ICU weren't (88% hadn't even had 1 shot).
 
Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
I wouldn’t say ignoring it… Lockdown requires consent from the majority of the population to work, unless if you want to go all brutal and military. So most likely scenario is that you have all the scientist presenting data that makes people come to the conclusion that lockdown is the solution, the man in charge saying that won’t happen..

Kind of like putting vegetables with the sweets and telling children not to eat the vegetables
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Well, he is running out of ways of having a lockdown.

He says he doesn't want a pingdemic, which would force people to stay home, he has scrapped the 10 day isolation and he say's there won't be a lockdown, so i'm not sure what in theory he is trying to do, because i'm sure that the scientists' will want a lockdown and it will be necessary, unless, they believe herd immunity is now okay, as they have vaccines to reduce deaths, but not illness.
 
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