SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[jojojo]

Now it's come for the hippos:


Good luck getting them to do regular swab tests.

 

[711]

Good luck hippos, you can beat it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Now it's come for the hippos:


Good luck getting them to do regular swab tests.

I read something recently about incredibly high prevalence of SARS-COV-2 in white tailed deer in the US. Worth bearing in mind when regretting we didn’t go for “zero covid” last summer (which I’m doing a lot over the last week!) Absolutely no chance of eradicating a virus with such wide zoonotic spread.

 

[decorativeed]

Another? Really.

You lot are nuts, love your lockdowns you do. Why would you love it?

"You lot"? A grand total of about 2 people have expressed that sentiment on here recently. It's hardly a large swathe of the population.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

"You lot"? A grand total of about 2 people have expressed that sentiment on here recently. It's hardly a large swathe of the population.

This forum loooooves a lockdown. (for the majority)

 

[Rektsanwalt]

This forum loooooves a lockdown. (for the majority)

What's wrong with being in favor of lockdowns in a pandemic? It's neither all bad nor all good. But the way you're antagonizing anybody in favor if such a measure is kind of beyond me. It's as irrational as calling for a complete shutdown.

 

[jojojo]

I read something recently about incredibly high prevalence of SARS-COV-2 in white tailed deer in the US. Worth bearing in mind when regretting we didn’t go for “zero covid” last summer (which I’m doing a lot over the last week!) Absolutely no chance of eradicating a virus with such wide zoonotic spread.

I gave up seeing zero covid as realistic a long time ago. I also think omicron, if nothing else, will be the last straw for theories about herd immunity, even in within regions. At best we're trying to manage a least bad journey to endemic and by least bad I don't just mean the route that contains the fewest new covid deaths.

 

[Brwned]

What's wrong with being in favor of lockdowns in a pandemic? It's neither all bad nor all good. But the way you're antagonizing anybody in favor if such a measure is kind of beyond me. It's as irrational as calling for a complete shutdown.

Loving another lockdown is pretty weird given the broad destructive consequences of it. Thinking it's an appropriate last resort is one thing, but that's next level.

 

[Rektsanwalt]

Loving another lockdown is pretty weird given the broad destructive consequences of it. Thinking it's an appropriate last resort is one thing, but that's next level.

What of what I said is next level in that regard?

 

[711]

Where's all this 'loving' a lockdown come from? Some people think that sometimes restrictions are the best option, but whether they're right or wrong that's a hell of a long way off from wanting them because they enjoy it.

 

[Pexbo]

This forum loooooves a lockdown. (for the majority)

You do realise people don’t actually like lockdowns but are in favour of short circuit breakers to save lives and slow spread rather than let it get to a point where thousands more die and we go into a much longer period of stricter lockdowns?

It’s almost like there is some logic and nuance to it.

 

[Pexbo]

Where's all this 'loving' a lockdown come from? Some people think that sometimes restrictions are the best option, but whether they're right or wrong that's a hell of a long way off from wanting them because they enjoy it.

He’s just dogmatic about it. He pinned his flag to the “Sweden approach” a long time ago and thinks anyone supportive of any sort of restrictions is equally dogmatic on the other side.

 

[gaucho_10]

Just wondering how people in UK feel about players and fans collapsing on foootball games becoming a regular thing after mass vaccination has been done?

To me it's absolute insanity that no one talks about it in mainstream media.

 

[Rektsanwalt]

He’s just dogmatic about it. He pinned his flag to the “Sweden approach” a long time ago and thinks anyone supportive of any sort of restrictions is equally dogmatic on the other side.

I feel so as well, he's completely stuck

 

[TheReligion]

Looks like the new strain is spreading fast but any information with regards to the severity of it yet and the impact of being vaccinated?

Surely the key here is preventing hospital admissions and subsequent deaths. If it's established that the impact is mild then surely lockdowns and the like are not required?

The data I've seen suggests that those vaccinated and with the booster are at little risk?

 

[Pexbo]

Just wondering how people in UK feel about players and fans collapsing on foootball games becoming a regular thing after mass vaccination has been done?

To me it's absolute insanity that no one talks about it in mainstream media.

There’s loads of “MSM” articles on it, you just don’t want to share any of them as they all dismiss it as there is no actual evidence to back up the claims.

 

[Rektsanwalt]

The data I've seen suggests that those vaccinated and with the booster are at little risk?

that's what I heard as well. While antibodies might lack with our current vaccines, t-cells seem to be strong enough to have high impact in regards of hospitalisation/severe cases.
I personally won't put the vaccine to a test against omicron/the current wave in general if I can, which is why I started isolating more and more since around 4 weeks, only wear FFP2 masks instead of surgeon masks and got my third biontech shot 10 days ago. We seem to be pretty doomed at the moment here in germany. This one could very well get very ugly and a lot uglier than the other waves.

 

[TheReligion]

that's what I heard as well. While antibodies might lack with our current vaccines, t-cells seem to be strong enough to have high impact in regards of hospitalisation/severe cases.
I personally won't put the vaccine to a test against omicron/the current wave in general if I can, which is why I started isolating more and more since around 4 weeks, only wear FFP2 masks instead of surgeon masks and got my third biontech shot 10 days ago. We seem to be pretty doomed at the moment here in germany. This one could very well get very ugly and a lot uglier than the other waves.

Yeah this is what I've seen although in here it does seem to be doom and gloom. Admittedly I'm not following it closely hence me asking the question.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

What's wrong with being in favor of lockdowns in a pandemic? It's neither all bad nor all good. But the way you're antagonizing anybody in favor if such a measure is kind of beyond me. It's as irrational as calling for a complete shutdown.

Locking down businesses and making healthy people stay at home and not socialise is an awful thing, and absolutely should be a last resort that no-one actually wants.

 

[Rektsanwalt]

Yeah this is what I've seen although in here it does seem to be doom and gloom. Admittedly I'm not following it closely hence me asking the question.

there's a lot of doom and gloom for sure. But sometimes reality consists out of doom and gloom, even if not everybody realized yet. I'm absolutely shocked about the state of germany. Thankfully, our current government will be gone soon and a new and fresh political start is possible. I expect a lot from them.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

You do realise people don’t actually like lockdowns but are in favour of short circuit breakers to save lives and slow spread rather than let it get to a point where thousands more die and we go into a much longer period of stricter lockdowns?

It’s almost like there is some logic and nuance to it.

Some absolutely love it, the forum is massively in favour of lockdowns, long before it becomes a last resort.

 

[Pexbo]

Locking down businesses and making healthy people stay at home and not socialise is an awful thing, and absolutely should be a last resort that no-one actually wants.

You’re still having trouble with the concept that the motivations for “want” are different to what you think they are and are getting yourself worked up about.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

You’re still having trouble with the concept that the motivations for “want” are different to what you think they are and are getting yourself worked up about.

You know I’ve always doubted how effective they are long term, and when not used as a last resort and this does nothing to convince me otherwise. That’s without even going into the “side effects” of lockdowns.
So I’m not even convinced that “wanting” it for the right reasons before last resort actually makes much sense.

 

[Pexbo]

You know I’ve always doubted how effective they are long term, and when not used as a last resort and this does nothing to convince me otherwise. That’s without even going into the “side effects” of lockdowns.

They’re more effective when not used as a last resort.

 

[Rektsanwalt]

Locking down businesses and making healthy people stay at home and not socialise is an awful thing, and absolutely should be a last resort that no-one actually wants.

People don't want lockdowns because they like it, they want them because they feel it's necessary to prevent the needless loss of human life. Locking down business in general isn't something anybody wants, even if people are asking for lockdowns, by the way. We're past that for quite a while and know which businesses to temporarily lock down or not. And yes, I think many of these businesses are pure luxury goods in a pandemic and not relevant for society on the short term. It's okay to lock down clubs if it means containing the virus so it can't lead to an actual lockdown. Most of our european countries never had a real lockdown in the actual sense, I feel like.
Making healthy people stay at home and not socialise might not be an awful thing, it might be necessary to prevent the virus to spiral even more. These healthy (affluent and like minded?) individuals are able to spread the virus to those at risk, which is why common sense and human solidarity should be dictating actions and not ideology. Isn't it obvious that we'd rather shut down some businesses and clubs instead of filling our cemeteries? Where's the compassion? Now before you say that I don't show compassion for those healthy individuals you're talking about, I know this is an awful situation but people are actually dying and we can't prevent that from happening if we don't act sometimes. But we can prevent these people from losing their business for quite a while, as we did in most european countries already. They receveid a lot of money and most of them are able to cope. Obviously this isn't working forever, but I'd rather add more debt than more corpses.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

They’re more effective when not used as a last resort.

Not long term they aren’t, hence Germany, Greece, Portugal, Austria, Switzerland etc etc.
Eventually it catches up regardless.

 

[Brwned]

What of what I said is next level in that regard?

Nothing you said was next level. The original post he quoted, that started off this conversation, literally said “I’d love another lockdown”. That’s such a weird attitude to take, it can only be said if you live in a bubble, in complete ignorance of the damage it would cause others.

 

[Rektsanwalt]

Not long term they aren’t, hence Germany, Greece, Portugal etc etc.
Eventually it catches up regardless.

yeah and now imagine we didn't do it in the first place. Situation would be even more disastrous than it is now.

 

[Tarrou]

Just wondering how people in UK feel about players and fans collapsing on foootball games becoming a regular thing after mass vaccination has been done?

To me it's absolute insanity that no one talks about it in mainstream media.

What’s the data on this?

 

[Rektsanwalt]

Nothing you said was next level. The original post he quoted, that started off this conversation, literally said “I’d love another lockdown”. That’s such a weird attitude to take, it can only be said if you live in a bubble, in complete ignorance of the damage it would cause others.

it definitely is a weird statement, no doubt about that. Personally, I don't think people actually love lockdowns, they want to express that they deem one necessary to contain the virus at least a little bit. Wording is stupidly emotional, though, I agree.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

yeah and now imagine we didn't do it in the first place. Situation would be even more disastrous than it is now.

I don’t need to imagine it, I’ve lived through it, and it’s been no more disastrous than early “winners” Germany, Greece, Austria, Switzerland and about 50 other countries.
Long term the non last resort lockdowns don’t appear to make a country less disastrous, so claiming at this point “I’d love another lockdown” is bizarre to me.

 

[gaucho_10]

There’s loads of “MSM” articles on it, you just don’t want to share any of them as they all dismiss it as there is no actual evidence to back up the claims.

There's also this;



You have to be brainwashed to think nothing unusual is happening with these vaccines.

 

[Rektsanwalt]

I don’t need to imagine it, I’ve lived through it, and it’s been no more disastrous than early “winners” Germany, Greece, Austria, Switzerland and about 50 other countries.
Long term the non last resort lockdowns don’t appear to make a country less disastrous, so claiming at this point “I’d love another lockdown” is bizarre to me.

I don't think every country is comparable in that regard. Which is why some measures are appropriate in some countries but aren't in others. Regional aspects play a huge role as well. So I refrain from generalizing stuff like this. It's highly complicated and not simply bad/unncessary oder good/necessary in every case.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

There's also this;



You have to be brainwashed to think nothing unusual is happening with these vaccines.

That’s a tweet, where’s the evidence?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I don't think every country is comparable in that regard.

Me neither. But the excess mortality paints a picture that simply “lockdowns good, save lives” is in fact a much more nuanced debate. Certainly much more nuanced than anyone was willing to concede on here 1 year ago.

 

[Rektsanwalt]

There's also this;



You have to be brainwashed to think nothing unusual is happening with these vaccines.

I've read completely different numbers in that regard. Can you back this up with actual statistics or at least reliable sources or is this just some idelogy ridden panic?

Me neither. But the excess mortality paints a picture that simply “lockdowns good, save lives” is in fact a much more nuanced debate. Certainly much more nuanced than anyone was willing to concede on here 1 year ago.

Excess mortality can be caused by many things - I didn't look up every graph on the site you linked, but isn't it possible that many cases of excess mortaility might be caused by corona virus (directly) and indirectly (postponing planned diagnosis/surgeries because of a near collapse of the health care system)?

Edit: rightfully it's a lot more nuanced than it was 1 year ago, as we know a lot more since then. But bear in mind, in such a disastrous situation, taking a careful and more restrictive approach is not improper, considering our level of knowledge back then.

 

[Brwned]

There's also this;



You have to be brainwashed to think nothing unusual is happening with these vaccines.

You’re aware there’s a virus going around that causes heart issues more frequently than the vaccines, right?

 

[gaucho_10]

That’s a tweet, where’s the evidence?

Evidence is in font of your tv screen every single day. Watched Real- Shakthar in CL, the guy collapsed on the pitch. Two days later player colapses in EPL and one in the championship and couple of fans on the stadiums just so that they're not left out of this new trend.


Divers, tennis players, NBA players, all sorts of professional athleets ending their carees after mio and peri carditis post vaccination.

I'm not going to debate this any more or post about if, just wanted to check how people feel about this. We can disagree on this and it's OK.

 

[jojojo]

There's also this;



You have to be brainwashed to think nothing unusual is happening with these vaccines.

Or perhaps they have caught covid at some point in the past 18 months and their recovery was not as full as they hoped or believed. Do you have their medical histories to hand?

Assuming that the random tweeter didn't just imagine it of course.

 

[Rektsanwalt]

Evidence is in font of your tv screen every single day. Watched Real- Shakthar in CL, the guy collapsed on the pitch. Two days later player colapses in EPL and one in the championship and couple of fans on the stadiums just so that they're not left out of this new trend.

I'm not going to debate this any more or post about if, just wanted to check how people feel about this.

My feeling about is that without proper evidence, statistics, sources or anything that actually matters this is just an expression of fear by people who are generally (completely) against vaccines or irrationally frightened by them.