This but also the idea it could be a variety of factors, including both complications with vaccines and the actual impact of the virus.
Who knows though. I haven't done any research.
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This but also the idea it could be a variety of factors, including both complications with vaccines and the actual impact of the virus.
Who knows though. I haven't done any research.
How many of those 188 had Covid?
A couple of people I know have not received any vaccinations at all and been against the whole vaccination programme.
Both have recently caught Covid and have been pretty ill.
What goes around comes around eh.
Both have recently caught Covid and have been pretty ill.
What goes around comes around eh.
Source for that data?
For what it's worth, I sometimes help a doctor doing some paperwork/legal stuff for in what's in germany called "Impf-Aktionen", so special vaccination events so to say, outside of the usual business. She vaccinated (personally or under her "command") around 15.000 people so far over the last 12 months (another 1000 today) and keeps track of severe side effects. There wasn't a single case so far with any side effect that affected the heart, so no myocarditis, no pericarditis whatsoever.
As I was concerned of this side effect as well - I suffer from cardiophobia - I chose to book appointments at my cardiologist after every shot to be sure that everything's fine. Results were all okay. But even if we see this side effect as extremely terrifying, bear in mind that the risks of the virus causing myocarditis or other heart related illnesses is a lot higher than the risk of the vaccine causing something that affects the heart.
As I was concerned of this side effect as well - I suffer from cardiophobia - I chose to book appointments at my cardiologist after every shot to be sure that everything's fine. Results were all okay. But even if we see this side effect as extremely terrifying, bear in mind that the risks of the virus causing myocarditis or other heart related illnesses is a lot higher than the risk of the vaccine causing something that affects the heart.
Good post.
How many had actually been vaccinated?
Why are people even taking the 188 at face value? It is just random twitter guy as a "source".
this is a unique situation and we have to be open to all possibilities in order to assess things and properly address the problem
But we need reliable data to even begin to draw any conclusions
A random tweet saying 188 is meaningless without proof and if there really were that many I have no doubt the antivax lot would be all over it
I'm pretty sure that west ham player just caught and infected about 60 people in the crowd just now.
The mad schedule has nothing to do with it then? We are literally running them into the ground during a pandemic
The 4/5 per year claim seems to be total bullshit in itself:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33361135/
From 2014-2018...
23% survived sudden death definitely something fishy going on
Myself and my son both went for covid tests this morning, at his school all but 4 kids in one class were out with positive tests. My son came back with a cough and now I’ve got a scratchy throat and a cough. Hopefully just a cold
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I’m not a fan of it
Could it not be the after effects of Covid itself?
Wake up
I think you’d better look at the note at the bottom of this thread.
it was a joke
What a doozy
the telling thing about this ‘theory’ is the assumption it is vaccine related and not covid related
of course it could be either but covid would be far more logical an explanation
of course it could be either but covid would be far more logical an explanation
Or you have got it but those are the worst symptoms any of you get, which would be quite good in a way.
You've not even started debating it, but hey ho...
One of those players who you mention subsequently released a statement saying they hadn't been vaccinated. So that figure of 188 footballers collapsing - if true - doesn't tally 188 reactions to vaccines.
It’s almost like we are in the middle of a pandemic and lots of people are sick.
About 6,750 football players, refs and officials have developed Myocarditis due to the vaccine.
If they didn't get the vaccine and all got Covid then 264,600 would have developed Myocarditis and 9 million football players, refs and officials would've died.
Sources and math below.
If they didn't get the vaccine and all got Covid then 264,600 would have developed Myocarditis and 9 million football players, refs and officials would've died.
Sources and math below.
The mortality rate of COVID is 3.4%.
There are 270 million football players, refs and officials in the world.
If everyone got COVID, just over 9 million would've died.
The risk of Myocarditis among ALL patients with COVID-19 is 0.146% (it is 0.098% for 16-27-year-olds)
That means if all 270 m football players, refs and officials got Covid, and they were all aged between 16 and 24, roughly 264 600 would have developed Myocarditis
In one study 136 in 5 million (0.0027%) who had received the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine developed Myocarditis
In another study 54 in 2.5 million (0.0021%) people developed Myocarditis
So, if all football players, refs and officials got Pfizer (and they had an average chance of 0.0025% of developing Myocarditis), 6750 would develop it due to the vaccine.
There are 270 million football players, refs and officials in the world.
If everyone got COVID, just over 9 million would've died.
The risk of Myocarditis among ALL patients with COVID-19 is 0.146% (it is 0.098% for 16-27-year-olds)
That means if all 270 m football players, refs and officials got Covid, and they were all aged between 16 and 24, roughly 264 600 would have developed Myocarditis
In one study 136 in 5 million (0.0027%) who had received the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine developed Myocarditis
In another study 54 in 2.5 million (0.0021%) people developed Myocarditis
So, if all football players, refs and officials got Pfizer (and they had an average chance of 0.0025% of developing Myocarditis), 6750 would develop it due to the vaccine.
Not sure if this is the right thread for it but I missed these comments the first time around.
Bolsonaro linking COVID vaccine to increased likelihood of contracting AIDS.
How the man is still in power is a miracle (and a disgrace).
Bolsonaro linking COVID vaccine to increased likelihood of contracting AIDS.
How the man is still in power is a miracle (and a disgrace).
He should be locked up.
Yup. And you know that even if he does get the boot he'll just end up fleeing somewhere without an extradition treaty with the hundreds of millions he's illegally squirrelled away. Probably live out his days in luxury while his people suffer because of his irresponsible and downright evil decisions. Scumbag.
tbf, the mortality rate amongst footballers and refs and officials will most likely be much lower than 3,4%
your point still stands though
Mortality rate is not 3,4%. It isn't constant across age groups and footballers are much younger on average than general population. So your death number is more than 10x too big.
I'm not arguing with the gist, or supporting the conspiracy loons, but would not the 3.4% mortality quoted comprise mostly of the elderly and people with severe existing health conditions, rather than fit young footballers? The 9 million and 6750 isn't comparing like with like really, and whilst I've no doubt the former figure would still be much higher than the latter, the 'proof' provided in unfortunately open to question.
edit: sorry boys, I'm a slow typer!
Yes!
I just love to make over-simplifying and sweeping statements. And, of course, to show off my astounding math ability.
I don't want to raise false hopes, but this is the most hopeful thing I've read on omicron so far
Lets hope we still get the same kind of story in a couple of weeks.
Lets hope we still get the same kind of story in a couple of weeks.
That was a good read. Thanks
So it appears to be becoming more infectious but less severe. And, as such, isn't impacting the South African health service capacity all too negatively.
Good news.
If the predictions are true that covid-19 becomes endemic and humanity has to deal with it for evermore, it would be helpful for it to evolve into just another common cold type coronavirus.
Good news.
If the predictions are true that covid-19 becomes endemic and humanity has to deal with it for evermore, it would be helpful for it to evolve into just another common cold type coronavirus.
Will one strain necessarily become dominant at the expense of others though, or could we just have Delta alongside Omicron, and whatever else?