SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I thought the UK was tracking in a different way to most of Europe, and that cases were coming down/relatively stabilised since Oct - particularly in England?

It has been fairly stable in terms of the consistent number since the reopening. Various peaks and troughs on a linear level.

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So I caught covid last week and my self isolation is up on Sunday, but my booster is booked for the 3rd and I read the UK says wait 28 days after a positive test to get the vaccine. Does it actually matter from the health standpoint? Can I just lie to them when I arrive…
 
Without wanting to underplay this, but is SA/Botswana the best setting to assess the new variant against vaccines? What has the roll-out of vaccines been like there/which vaccines are in circulation?
Pretty poor to be honest in SA (not sure Botswana), so agreed on that front regarding vaccine efficacy. However, the sequencing has shown that this variant seems to have overtaken Delta which may indicate increased transmissibility.
 
So I caught covid last week and my self isolation is up on Sunday, but my booster is booked for the 3rd and I read the UK says wait 28 days after a positive test to get the vaccine. Does it actually matter from the health standpoint? Can I just lie to them when I arrive…
Is there a benefit other than convenience? If you’ve just had COVID you’ve just had a booster of sorts?
 
Is there a benefit other than convenience? If you’ve just had COVID you’ve just had a booster of sorts?

I dunno if it gives you more of a boost. It’s just all the booster sessions here are Fridays and I’m busy every other weekend and don’t wanna ruin them with horrible side effects
 
So I caught covid last week and my self isolation is up on Sunday, but my booster is booked for the 3rd and I read the UK says wait 28 days after a positive test to get the vaccine. Does it actually matter from the health standpoint? Can I just lie to them when I arrive…

They have 28 days as a set period so that you fully recover, and are not contagious when arriving to get a jab.
 
I dunno if it gives you more of a boost. It’s just all the booster sessions here are Fridays and I’m busy every other weekend and don’t wanna ruin them with horrible side effects

To be honest, you could skip it altogether. If you were fully vaccinated in the summer then catching covid now gives you fantastic protection for at least another 6 months. Probably a lot longer.
 
To be honest, you could skip it altogether. If you were fully vaccinated in the summer then catching covid now gives you fantastic protection for at least another 6 months. Probably a lot longer.

So youre saying I’m invincible, excellent news
 
Pretty poor to be honest in SA (not sure Botswana), so agreed on that front regarding vaccine efficacy. However, the sequencing has shown that this variant seems to have overtaken Delta which may indicate increased transmissibility.

Slowly inching back to square one aren't we.
 
To be honest, you could skip it altogether. If you were fully vaccinated in the summer then catching covid now gives you fantastic protection for at least another 6 months. Probably a lot longer.
I'm in the same boat but gonna get my booster end of next month nhs says I need 4 weeks between my positive test and the booster. Hopefully won't get it again for some time.
 
Is there a benefit other than convenience? If you’ve just had COVID you’ve just had a booster of sorts?
I may have this wrong so best double check but I think I read somewhere that up to 1/4 of those who recover from covid dont produce antibodies. Hopefully someone can correct me or point me in the right direction.
 
With each of these new mutations seemingly worse than the last, isn’t it a matter of time before this virus and it’s variants spell the end of the human race? We’ve had a good run tbf
 
With each of these new mutations seemingly worse than the last, isn’t it a matter of time before this virus and it’s variants spell the end of the human race? We’ve had a good run tbf

The way I understand it is there’s a trade off as the mutations build up. It gets better at some things, worse at others. It may end up a lot more transmissible but much less severe (best case scenario) There are twists and turns to come, that’s for sure. This Nu variant has the potential to be an almighty cnut that’s for sure.
 
To be honest, you could skip it altogether. If you were fully vaccinated in the summer then catching covid now gives you fantastic protection for at least another 6 months. Probably a lot longer.
I'm in the same boat as @Snowjoe. Just caught covid a couple of weeks before my booster was due. Don't see the point in having the booster now, not for a good while at least. Haven't quite decided whether to leave it to February or well into next year, but protection for at least six months does sound very promising.
 
U.K. government have stuck 6 countries on the red list and banned flights from certain areas due to this new variant. The United board and the U.K. govt seemingly acting competently on the same day…incredible stuff.
We know someone who was meant to be flying to South Africa
 
U.K. government have stuck 6 countries on the red list and banned flights from certain areas due to this new variant. The United board and the U.K. govt seemingly acting competently on the same day…incredible stuff.

Good. Of course, unlike United we need everyone else to make a good decision too. I hope to feck the EU do the same thing pronto.
 
I may have this wrong so best double check but I think I read somewhere that up to 1/4 of those who recover from covid dont produce antibodies. Hopefully someone can correct me or point me in the right direction.

I can't remember the exact figure but I do remember that the response from infection was far more variable than vaccination.

Here we are treating people with past infection as unvaccinated.
 
Good. Of course, unlike United we need everyone else to make a good decision too. I hope to feck the EU do the same thing pronto.
Given the transmissibility, I’d be very surprised if this isn’t already in Europe.
 
Unfortunately, hitting x% fully vaxxed won’t necessarily mean a return to normality, as we’re finding out in Ireland. By the time the last few % get vaccinated the protection offered to the first cohort will already be waning. Cases increase again and the emphasis switches to boosters.

On the plus side, the increase in cases with waning vaccine efficacy won’t slam hospitals as badly as it would in an un-vaccinated population. So it is possible (hopefully) to avoid the lockdowns we’re seeing in countries with very low vax rates. In the longer term we have to hope that the third booster dose gives much longer/better protection than the first two. Early data on this is encouraging (although am anxiously checking Israel’s case rates every few days!).

Not to mention reinfection from overseas. We are giving boosters 6 months after your previous shot. I'm already booked on for late Jan.
 
That's the thing with this virus....just when you think you're winning a small war on it the bleeding thing comes back with a vengeance.

Hopefully it's not as bad as predicted and makes vaccines redundant as no idea what the alternative or plan B is.
 
Are there others who don't mind a total lockdown? It never really bothered me as I don't leave the house that much. In fact, the quietness on the streets was refreshing.
 
Are there others who don't mind a total lockdown? It never really bothered me as I don't leave the house that much. In fact, the quietness on the streets was refreshing.

Please not again.

I think vast majority can cope with what we have now so would be very frustrating to go back to April 2020 standards.

Guess this is the trade off really for not donating vaccines to poorer parts of the world quickly enough with a new lethal variant potentially emerging as revenge. Hopefully it won't be as bad as predicted but it will hit U.K soon enough. Pretty sure it was this time last year the Delta variant first hit the U.K and produced a tough few months with vaccine roll out only in very early stages.
 
The world really needs to ramp up their health care systems. There’s no way around it now and it’s the only way we can get live with this
 
Please not again.

I think vast majority can cope with what we have now so would be very frustrating to go back to April 2020 standards.

Guess this is the trade off really for not donating vaccines to poorer parts of the world quickly enough with a new lethal variant potentially emerging as revenge. Hopefully it won't be as bad as predicted but it will hit U.K soon enough. Pretty sure it was this time last year the Delta variant first hit the U.K and produced a tough few months with vaccine roll out only in very early stages.

Delta was June this year. Alpha was last year.
It was one of the few times I was genuinely ITK (see below). It was lost in translation with my colleague but by S protein, she actually meant S gene, and was the Alpha variant.


Keeping it as vague as possible: my colleagues partner has been on conference calls with people who have been in the Downing Street news conferences and is involved in the testing process.

my colleague dropped it in passing today that they’ve seen a small percentage of cases in testing without the S protein.Then she started talking about I’m a Celebrity and said she hadn’t asked anything further regarding this.

I’m hoping it’s a miscommunication, but sounded pretty significant to me.
 
How long has this new variant been around? Is there any sense of fatality rate yet? Hopefully what this variant has in abundance (tansmissibility) it lacks in fatality. Seriously hope so, anyway.
 
Back to the bunker it is.

There was always going to be a few twists and turns. At least the other variants had the decency to wait until when things were starting to look up. This cnut is looming out of the shadows when everything is already looking grim.

It’s so crazy the way each new variant makes the previous one seem completely benign, despite once seeming horrific. Imagine how benign original covid would seem if it suddenly became dominant?

Will be so weird to be looking back fondly on Delta. “Sure it wasn’t that bad, was it?”
 
How long has this new variant been around? Is there any sense of fatality rate yet? Hopefully what this variant has in abundance (tansmissibility) it lacks in fatality. Seriously hope so, anyway.
I think it was only detected on Tuesday.
 
Sorry to be lazy but are there any stats on whether vaccinated people are easily infected, and the chances of hospitalisation if they are?
edit: should have asked @jojojo of course, the man's an information superstar of galactic proportion.
Too early to say.