SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

My son had a case in his class and had to isolate till today. As my kids live with their mother, it means I couldn't see them. The week before that my wife had to isolate, which meant the kids couldn't stay with us. Now that my son's isolation has ended, literally within hours, my daughter has been told to isolate because of a case in her class, just days before the school breaks up for the summer. So that's at least another week I can't see them.

So the only thing I can do is Skype them. I just rang then, and who's wandering around in the background but their 80 year old grandfather!

I don't like not being able to see my children, but I know I'm doing the right thing by them and everyone else I come into contact with. It's clear that that side of the family couldn't give a shit. This whole pandemic is being prolonged by selfish, idiotic behaviour like this.
 
decorativeed said:
My son had a case in his class and had to isolate till today. As my kids live with their mother, it means I couldn't see them. The week before that my wife had to isolate, which meant the kids couldn't stay with us. Now that my son's isolation has ended, literally within hours, my daughter has been told to isolate because of a case in her class, just days before the school breaks up for the summer. So that's at least another week I can't see them.

So the only thing I can do is Skype them. I just rang then, and who's wandering around in the background but their 80 year old grandfather!

I don't like not being able to see my children, but I know I'm doing the right thing by them and everyone else I come into contact with. It's clear that that side of the family couldn't give a shit. This whole pandemic is being prolonged by selfish, idiotic behaviour like this.
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Who can see your daughter?
 
I live in Anglesey and went fishing today and while I was on the rocks a fella turned up with 3 boys and set up about 30 metres away . When I was leaving I stopped to have a chat and he said they were down from Manchester for the weekend and I asked the boys when they were breaking up for the summer holidays. They said they already had as they were self isolating as there was covid in their school. The dad didn`t bat an eyelid. I just walked off as what is the point of saying anything?
 
decorativeed said:
As she's isolating, it should be only the people she shares a home with. So her mother and brother.
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My view is that she should be allowed to undertake a test so that she can see you if the test is negative.
 
711 said:
Covid 19: More than one third of Londoners unvaccinated

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57874402

Is London about to get whacked? Are they just lucky? I don't know.
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There are some factors that make London tricky to guess. Some of the people registered there may have already moved away. A lot of the central areas have lots of young people, and fewer in the high risk groups. Some parts of London have already had very high case rates, or test high for infection-source antibodies, so lots of people have some immunity based on that.

It looks like there's potential for a massive rise in case rates, but the same factors that mean people don't get vaxxed may mean they don't get tested either. The only indicators worth taking seriously for London are the ones for hospital admissions and deaths.
 
jojojo said:
There are some factors that make London tricky to guess. Some of the people registered there may have already moved away. A lot of the central areas have lots of young people, and fewer in the high risk groups. Some parts of London have already had very high case rates, or test high for infection-source antibodies, so lots of people have some immunity based on that.

It looks like there's potential for a massive rise in case rates, but the same factors that mean people don't get vaxxed may mean they don't get tested either. The only indicators worth taking seriously for London are the ones for hospital admissions and deaths.
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I'd thought of most of that, but not the age profile, thanks.
 
So my girlfriend is due to have a doctor check a potentially (though hopefully not) cancerous mole this coming week. She’s just been pinged, however, so will have to reschedule for the following week. Another week of worry.. but I understand the need for this system.

It’s just very upsetting seeing Johnson & co. go against the system with little or no consequence, when people like my girlfriend (and those, I’m sure, in far worse circumstances) have to suffer as a result. :(
 
JB08 said:
So my girlfriend is due to have a doctor check a potentially (though hopefully not) cancerous mole this coming week. She’s just been pinged, however, so will have to reschedule for the following week. Another week of worry.. but I understand the need for this system.

It’s just very upsetting seeing Johnson & co. go against the system with little or no consequence, when people like my girlfriend (and those, I’m sure, in far worse circumstances) have to suffer as a result. :(
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Aren't the pings advisory? If she's been double vaccinated/can trace the likely encounter back to something minimal, surely this would be more pressing?
 
Ecstatic said:
My view is that she should be allowed to undertake a test so that she can see you if the test is negative.
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Your view isn't what the rules are though. The rules are that self isolation means no visitors. Why her grandparents seem to think the rules don't apply is baffling to me.
 
decorativeed said:
No, they aren't! Failing to isolate can land you with a £1000 fine.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-legal-duty-to-self-isolate-comes-into-force-today
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I believe thats NHS test and trace, which is somebody calling you if a positive case person identifies you as close contact. Thats legally binding.

If you are "pinged" as per the app you're advised - but not legally obliged - to self-isolate for 10 days. Mind you not sure I can keep up with this government.
 
Wolverine said:
I believe thats NHS test and trace, which is somebody calling you if a positive case person identifies you as close contact. Thats legally binding.

If you are "pinged" as per the app you're advised - but not legally obliged - to self-isolate for 10 days. Mind you not sure I can keep up with this government.
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When you get pinged it tells you that you 'must' self isolate, not 'should'.

No wonder we're in a mess where people have such different interpretation of what should be simple concepts.
 
decorativeed said:
Your view isn't what the rules are though. The rules are that self isolation means no visitors. Why her grandparents seem to think the rules don't apply is baffling to me.
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In your case, interesting to see people at risk (grandparents) are more risk-taker and independent thinker so more inclined to follow their personal rules.
 
decorativeed said:
Surely the app is there so that they automate the system and to alleviate the need to hire hundreds of staff to phone people. It's got to be powered by the same systems, no?
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I think it's not legally enforceable because the "ping" is based on bluetooth-roaming contact, whereas the NHS Track and Trace requires someone to personally identify those they were in close contact with.

Also, for anyone who can't have/doesn't have the app for whatever reason, it would make having it's notifications legally binding pretty tricky.

I could be wrong, but all I know is that if you get a "ping" you are not legally obliged to isolate. Of course, you absolutely should, but as I was alluding to in regards to the above post, there are surely other things in people's lives that are more pressing/dangerous.
 
decorativeed said:
My son had a case in his class and had to isolate till today. As my kids live with their mother, it means I couldn't see them. The week before that my wife had to isolate, which meant the kids couldn't stay with us. Now that my son's isolation has ended, literally within hours, my daughter has been told to isolate because of a case in her class, just days before the school breaks up for the summer. So that's at least another week I can't see them.

So the only thing I can do is Skype them. I just rang then, and who's wandering around in the background but their 80 year old grandfather!

I don't like not being able to see my children, but I know I'm doing the right thing by them and everyone else I come into contact with. It's clear that that side of the family couldn't give a shit. This whole pandemic is being prolonged by selfish, idiotic behaviour like this.
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Children living with parents in two households are able to visit both parents in both houses whilst self-isolating. I’ll find the part of the report ASAP but I had to help my friend with this about 6 months ago.

Edit 1: Here’s the link to the document with answers about this. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8901/

Edit 2: The specific guidance:

In response to the initial UK Government guidance issued in March 2020, the President of the Family Division of the High Court (England and Wales) noted that the guidance does not mean that children must move between homes, the decision being one for parents to take after assessing their circumstances (bold original):
Government guidance issued alongside the Stay at Home Rules on 23rd March deals specifically with child contact arrangements. It says:
“Where parents do not live in the same household, children under 18 can be moved between their parents’ homes.”
This establishes an exception to the mandatory ‘stay at home’ requirement; it does not, however, mean that children must be moved between homes. The decision whether a child is to move between parental homes is for the child’s parents to make after a sensible assessment of the circumstances, including the child’s present health, the risk of infection and the presence of any recognised vulnerable individuals in one household or the other.2
The guidance from the Family Division has not since been updated.
Guidance issued by the Governments of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland states that where parents do not live in the same household, children can be moved between their parents’ homes.
 
Dreading the trains from tomorrow...going to be wearing my masks on them, and in any busy indoor areas
 
Ecstatic said:
In your case, interesting to see people at risk (grandparents) are more risk-taker and independent thinker so more inclined to follow their personal rules.
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You say 'interesting', I say infuriating. If they catch it, and end up in hospital or worse, my kids could grow up blaming themselves for their grandparent's idiocy. I'd like to be the adult in their lives who sets a good example and teaches them about responsibility, even when it means having to make sacrifices, such as not being able to be with your loved ones.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Children living with parents in two households are able to visit both parents in both houses whilst self-isolating. I’ll find the part of the report ASAP but I had to help my friend with this about 6 months ago.

Edit 1: Here’s the link to the document with answers about this. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8901/

Edit 2: The specific guidance:

In response to the initial UK Government guidance issued in March 2020, the President of the Family Division of the High Court (England and Wales) noted that the guidance does not mean that children must move between homes, the decision being one for parents to take after assessing their circumstances (bold original):
Government guidance issued alongside the Stay at Home Rules on 23rd March deals specifically with child contact arrangements. It says:
“Where parents do not live in the same household, children under 18 can be moved between their parents’ homes.”
This establishes an exception to the mandatory ‘stay at home’ requirement; it does not, however, mean that children must be moved between homes. The decision whether a child is to move between parental homes is for the child’s parents to make after a sensible assessment of the circumstances, including the child’s present health, the risk of infection and the presence of any recognised vulnerable individuals in one household or the other.2
The guidance from the Family Division has not since been updated.
Guidance issued by the Governments of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland states that where parents do not live in the same household, children can be moved between their parents’ homes.
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Yeah, none of that mentions isolating. It's the general guidance through lockdown, which is how we dealt with the kids then.

The difference is also that I'm not living on my own. Therefore, my seeing my kids while they are isolating impacts on my wife. I could easily make sure that I went out and saw my kids and went nowhere else while they were isolating, and worked from home throughout. My wife could not do that, so would potentially be spreading to virus on her commute and in her office.
 
groovyalbert said:
I think it's not legally enforceable because the "ping" is based on bluetooth-roaming contact, whereas the NHS Track and Trace requires someone to personally identify those they were in close contact with.

Also, for anyone who can't have/doesn't have the app for whatever reason, it would make having it's notifications legally binding pretty tricky.

I could be wrong, but all I know is that if you get a "ping" you are not legally obliged to isolate. Of course, you absolutely should, but as I was alluding to in regards to the above post, there are surely other things in people's lives that are more pressing/dangerous.
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Oh, I know the loopholes are unbelievable, but I thought both an app notification and a contact by test and trace were both enforceable. Still, this is what you get when you only spend £12 billion eh! A total shambles that nobody but a minority take seriously.
 
JB08 said:
So my girlfriend is due to have a doctor check a potentially (though hopefully not) cancerous mole this coming week. She’s just been pinged, however, so will have to reschedule for the following week. Another week of worry.. but I understand the need for this system.

It’s just very upsetting seeing Johnson & co. go against the system with little or no consequence, when people like my girlfriend (and those, I’m sure, in far worse circumstances) have to suffer as a result. :(
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You can go to urgent medical appointments, it depends if it would be classified as this or not. I would suggest speaking to the gp, some are even set up to receive pictures of things like this. If there is a suspicion of cancer then it’s definitely urgent and being seen shouldn’t be delayed
 
Went to my local supermarket just now & about 60% people were masked up, which was more than I expected. However, most old people were unmasked, which is disappointing as they should be the most careful.
 
ha_rooney said:
Went to my local supermarket just now & about 60% people were masked up, which was more than I expected. However, most old people were unmasked, which is disappointing as they should be the most careful.
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Exactly what I saw today in my local supermarket too. Probably 70% masked however most of the unmasked were 60+

Quite encouraging overall although this is only day one. Perhaps enthusiasm to stick to recommendations will wane.
 
Mask uptake is generally really good still in Dublin, but yeah, it's usually auld people who either don't have them or don't have their nose covered. I guess you have to give them the benefit of the doubt though, maybe they have respiratory issues.

Get a few young total scummers who don't mask up either though and parade around like they're legends for not doing it. Standard stuff.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Mask uptake is generally really good still in Dublin, but yeah, it's usually auld people who either don't have them or don't have their nose covered. I guess you have to give them the benefit of the doubt though, maybe they have respiratory issues.

Get a few young total scummers who don't mask up either though and parade around like they're legends for not doing it . Standard stuff.
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I've noticed throughout the pandemic that some people believe that sleeve tattoos, gym bodies and high-vis vests make you invulnerable to covid.
 
With social distancing and mask rules gone there were some big queues for Nightclubs in London coming up to midnight last night, queuing round the block. Anyone go to a club? Mind you, probably still be in bed now if so
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
With social distancing and mask rules gone there were some big queues for Nightclubs in London coming up to midnight last night, queuing round the block. Anyone go to a club? Mind you, probably still be in bed now if so
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If you only caught covid count yourself lucky. A few will be waking up with itchy bits, regret and maybe more.
 
Spent half the day in Central London so far. Mask uptake, specially when walking into any building (coffee shops, sandwich bars, etc), is surprisingly very high. Among all age groups. I would say 80% or even above. Even on the tubes its 80% or higher again.

I'll be in the City next on Thursday. Should be a good time to compare the enthusiasm.

Edit: disappointed I missed the nightclubbing. :mad:
 
Double-jabbed requirement for nightclubs and 'large events' from September now in the UK. No negative test exemption.
 
Santos J said:
Double-jabbed requirement for nightclubs and 'large events' from September now in the UK. No negative test exemption.
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Great, so the clubbers have got a month and a bit of non-stop super-spreader events to look forward to. What a country we are!
 
Santos J said:
Double-jabbed requirement for nightclubs and 'large events' from September now in the UK. No negative test exemption.
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Daily Mail and Express readers are going to go mental. Love it

But still ridiculous that he is being so reckless with all this still and delaying everything just so he can blame the public for his own stupidity
 
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