SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Interesting, well by stopping the unvaccinated going out and working, soon it will be 100% of double vaccinated in hospital.
Spent half the day in Central London so far. Mask uptake, specially when walking into any building (coffee shops, sandwich bars, etc), is surprisingly very high. Among all age groups. I would say 80% or even above. Even on the tubes its 80% or higher again.
I'll be in the City next on Thursday. Should be a good time to compare the enthusiasm.
Edit: disappointed I missed the nightclubbing.
My morning and commute in was like this (around Bank) but afternoon and % with masks on is much much lower. Feel like it being a lovely day isn't helping!
how do you prove you have been double jabbed?
Grim!
Is there ever any news on reinfections? E.g., someone that was infected maybe April 2020 and again with the Delta variant.
It'll be by getting the document from the NHS App (which links to your health records) or contacting your GP for the same.
Nothing official for Delta variant I believe.
Yep, saw the same just now going home. Masks won't last long now.
I heard it as 16 not 60
Easy, allow your details to be sent to the dept of health and when they release an app you get a qr code. I have mine
He definitely said 60% but was trying to explain why (quite clearly I might add). He was pretty positive about it in general as he wasn't headline grabbing like Sky.
Thats feckin outrageous
He’s right though - of course more double vaxxed people are going to be hospitalised just by the nature of there being a LOT more double vaxxed than unvaccinated. Vaccines are very good at keeping people out of hospital but not a guarantee and I’m sure that as it goes up the age groups your risk increases as it did before we had a single jab in arms.
Eh? You’ll have to explain the logic behind that one.
I think it's an equity thing.But until then everyone can go to one?
But until then everyone can go to one?
It’s that fairness bollox that a lot of the anti covid passport crew were getting worked up about. Don’t treat the un-vaccinated any differently until after they’ve been offered a vaccine.
I don't like this sentiment and worry it's a slippery slope. Even if you think anti vaxxers are stupid, I don't like the idea of the government coercing people into taking the vaccine.
Feels like by the time you'll need a passport to get in they'll all be closed again anyway.
That should’ve been corrected immediately & via some official statement not Twitter. It’s hard enough dealing with loonies who believe this whole thing is a hoax without such mistakes being made.
If they’ve got the data, they should detail how many of the 40% are double vaxxed.
with this government, i find it quite fitting.
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And it’s taken him over two hours to correct. How can somebody who supposedly knows what they’re talking about make that mistake? Has he just read out a script he didn’t understand?
UK hospital stats, follow the twitter thread back to see the pattern in more detail:
Not hard to see how the UK has made such a mess of Covid with this chap in charge, advising an even bigger idiot in Number 10.
It's weird because after he then went on to say how that makes sense the more people are vaccinated
Even if he got it wrong which can happen in heat of the moment 40% is still significantly higher than what I was expecting for double vaxxed people especially if current hospital admissions are signficantly higher in under 50s currently.
Not good. Of course worse case was always a variant that could elude vaccines but not far off that. While vaccines were never sold obviously as preventing anyone ever getting covid again, I take it those being admitted to hosptial still are either at serious risk of dying or have seen significant health issues crop up rather than just rough it out at home? So percentage looks way too high when thought was being double vaxxed would give the resilience needed so interested how many who've been doubled jabbed since say February are now ending up on ventilators so less than a six month period and what ages they all are.
Get the feeling this will set back everything another 6-12 months while we jab and jab again and wait for results and hopefully eventually covid will mutate into far more manageable disease.
Not good. Of course worse case was always a variant that could elude vaccines but not far off that. While vaccines were never sold obviously as preventing anyone ever getting covid again, I take it those being admitted to hosptial still are either at serious risk of dying or have seen significant health issues crop up rather than just rough it out at home? So percentage looks way too high when thought was being double vaxxed would give the resilience needed so interested how many who've been doubled jabbed since say February are now ending up on ventilators so less than a six month period and what ages they all are.
Get the feeling this will set back everything another 6-12 months while we jab and jab again and wait for results and hopefully eventually covid will mutate into far more manageable disease.
Not really because if we were all jabbed there would be 100% double vaccinated in hospitals, its a very small number, 40% of a very small number.
If 4/5% of cases end up hospitalized might even be less now then 40% of that is miniscule.
His figure doesn't specify double jabbed or single jabbed. Could be talking 99% / 1% either way with the vague category of 'vaccinated' he's used.
I’d really like to know the age profile of the hospitalisations. Thinking back to previous waves the vast vast majority were elderly. And that’s a cohort which really is 100% vaccinated. Or very close to it anyway.
However we’ve always known vaccine efficacy is at its lowest in the elderly. That’s the case with every vaccine ever. So the combination of the least effective vaccine in the most likely to get very unwell was always going to end up with a lot of vaccinated people in hospitals.
For the first time since the OG Lockdown, the train home was properly packed, and strangers sitting next to each other on the train...masks still being worn by a significant portion.
But strangers sitting together just seemed so out...I spread out to make sure nobody sat with me haha
But strangers sitting together just seemed so out...I spread out to make sure nobody sat with me haha
FFS doofus!! Where are his understudy lackeys that are supposed to be monitoring these mishaps? Free money wages.
No wonder he was sounding positive when giving the talk. Though, on a sidenote, he might have caused some unnecessary hard ons for a minority of negative ninnies that were 'loving' those figures momentarily.
Lack of trust in govt is definitely driving vaccine scepticism. From Twitter here are clearly many people (perhaps a vocal minority) who are clearly opposed to taking a vaccine at all - the majority of which have flags in their name and a photo of their pet as their profile pic.
I honestly think they believe that the vaccination programme is some sort of government led genocide linked to population control. Absolute madness.
I don't believe so. I have been reading a lot of posts for a while now about this from a few people but my main source is @monicagandhi9 on Twitter.
In Australia ICU/ventilated patients in this Delta outbreak has been spread across age groups far more than before. There is a real suspicion that kids are getting it and spreading it more as well although not necessarily getting worse symptoms. . Hard to be certain with such small sample sizes of course.
I have read a few things that are very encouraging.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6529/eabf4063
and
https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...stablish-recall-responses-to-reinfection.aspx
which is referencing
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.14.452381v1
And of the 40% I'd bet that the vast majority haven't had both shots or got covid straight after getting the second shot. Odds are that not many have had 2 shots a significant length of time before becoming infected and most who did are old with poor immune systems.