How stupid do you need to be that you don’t know there’d be a backlash to this? They’re so media conscious yet they don’t know the basics. Just absurd.
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How stupid do you need to be that you don’t know there’d be a backlash to this? They’re so media conscious yet they don’t know the basics. Just absurd.
Lock them up!
Nevermind, seems like they’ve U-turned to the “self-lock” approach
Nevermind, seems like they’ve U-turned to the “self-lock” approach
What a joke the government are 
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Haha sorry missed that, you could have got bonus points for saying he will never make a u-turn on the issue either7 posts up
Why aren't you guys protesting, why do you accept these assholes as your leaders?
feck me Pex they've just reversed. Now they will. I totally give up. I hadn't seen that.
cnuts. Their conduct the entire pandemic has been criminal.
As usual they are operating not on any sort of moral compass but on the process of “announce something bat shit crazy, go to social media and put finger in the air, reverse if the wrong people are angry”
You turn if you want, the Lady's not for turning.....
Such a powerful statement.
Politics of the past.
I find it strange the furore about the PM and Chancellor not self-isolating and undergoing the scheme that was in place before they got the ping. I fully expect the decision makers in our country to have measures in place that prevents them from not being able to do their job. The fact that the PM isn't capable enough to do his job regardless of his covid situation is what we should worried about and the u-turn demonstrates this further.
Because we don't actually care. We bitch and moan and act all outraged at everything the government does, but half the country are alt-tabbing across to pornhub after that online-moan, before illegally visiting our friends and family.
A country of hypocrites, but the lack of protesting at least shows we're aware of the fact.
It was the statement of a dogmatic fool.
Nothing can more accurately represent these idiots than one of them getting Covid, potentially passing it on to the other two just as 'freedom day' comes up, them scrambling to not have to self isolate on aforementioned freedom day and then scrambling again after probably realising the terrible optics of it.
So Boris will be isolated on 'freedom day'.
Outstanding.
So Boris will be isolated on 'freedom day'.
Outstanding.
It's staying home!
I don't doubt that. But if was a powerful statement nonetheless.
Fukin comedy show in charge.
Besides most not caring enough and just moaning online, they still have huge support, Boris is hugely popular and well liked. The Caf is mostly left leaning too
They are widely supported, the caf’s view is very unrepresentative of the general population. Most people support them in situations like this on the basis that “yeah they’re bad, but that do you expect, they’re politicians” or “alright they’re bad but at least they’re not those other guys”. The level of political apathy combined with political tribalism is really astounding. It’s a completely different world to your politics where you have basic expectations of your politicians.
And there’s a big dose of deference to the aristocracy too, British monarchical history plays a big role in shaping those expectations. Which is why you get people like @P-Ro saying of course senior politicians should act like they’re above the law, we shouldn’t expect them to adhere to these basic standards of ethics without a hint of irony. It’s just ingrained in the culture. The elite - the Etonians etc. - are different and that’s just how it is.
So I don’t protest because I don’t expect results, I don’t believe it has popular support, and I don’t think the population has any appetite to hold political leaders to account. First and foremost they just want to beat the other side. Everything afterwards is just politics.
I hear you but they could do this daily lateral flow testing to replace track and trace to help essential key workers too.
I've had to take unpaid leave - split along with my wife- to take care of my toddler who's been in close contact with a nursery staff member who is covid positive.
Meanwhile leaving our workplaces in hospital underresourced on the ward during a crucial time.
People need clarity and consistency. Politicians ain't the only ones with essential roles. And I think more likely to be able to do a lot more at home than nurses for examples who'll have to stay at home during possibly a peak wave of covid if track and trace stays on till August.
Their popularity is based on numerous factors but I think furlough scheme and support there is a big one. Also vaccine program.
It goes deeper than that, look at brexit for example. U.K. is going through a phase where stiff upper lip trumps common sense for a majority
If you're going to put my name next to an imaginery quote you've conjured up then I'd suggest you at least make it an accurate representation of my views. I find it really strange when people do this type of thing.
I noticed.There’s a lot packed into words, they mean different things in different contexts, and carry implications beyond their original meaning. You’re free to reframe my words in another context too, it’s a normal part of sharing ideas through language.
What you said was you would entirely expect them to be exempt from laws like this, on the basis of their job. The implications follow from that. They should be exempt even though many other essential workers, who collectively play a larger role in the daily functioning of society, are not. Their ethical duty can simply be disregarded. What part of that is an inaccurate representation of what you said?
What you quoted is not my view, at all. You've made assumptions, they're wrong. There's really nothing more to add.
Interesting symptoms update from the Zoe app team - they suggest covid may now be presenting differently between the vaxxed/unvaxxed. Certainly headache and sneezes/runny nose symptoms (previously more often seen in children with covid) are more common as first symptoms now in covid cases than the standard fever/cough ones.
The reason it's an issue is that the NHS site and 119 are still using the original symptoms set to approve a request for a PCR test. In other words, you may need to lie to get a test. I'm sure some people who know the system are happy to lie to it, but others may just wander away thinking - "that proves it then, must be hayfever, or a bit of a cold."
The current standard PCR test eligibility screening list:
The reason it's an issue is that the NHS site and 119 are still using the original symptoms set to approve a request for a PCR test. In other words, you may need to lie to get a test. I'm sure some people who know the system are happy to lie to it, but others may just wander away thinking - "that proves it then, must be hayfever, or a bit of a cold."
The current standard PCR test eligibility screening list:
We should separate out the two ideas, I probably didn’t do that well enough first time round. The assumptions are about a population, not about you as an individual. I don’t know if you think that. I don’t assume you do at all. I think that it’s easier to take your position in a culture that has those features, but I don’t think that culture is why you believe it. And it’s obviously my opinion, not something written in stone, that this is part of our political culture right now.
I used your position, and generalised it, to explain how some people relate to the government and those in charge. If you think the way I’ve generalised it is inaccurate, you can obviously correct me. Maybe you think it only applies in this context and not that context, in which case it doesn’t generalise. Maybe I misinterpreted the initial meaning. That’s not about me making assumptions, just inferences. If I’ve made the wrong inferences I’ll take it back and apologise, I’m just not seeing it.
The problem is that in 59161 it appeared you were quoting him verbatim, which of course you weren't, it was your personal interpretation. Just a bit naughty, but I'm sure you didn't intend it that way.
I mean, as inept as the government is, if you've not got one of those symptoms but want a PCR test, just say you have!
Maybe you should reconsider using the phrase "People like x" in the future. It is nearly always used in a derogatory context and what follows often misrepresents the views of the person. I only mentioned decision makers because they were the topic of discussion. It's just not possible to make the inference about what I believe the rules for people with other roles and responsibilities should be from what I said.
I just figured it was implied that if I didn't include quotation marks or include the direct quote, and the fact it was presented in a generalised context no-one would ever say, that it was just my characterisation of that line of thinking. And if people wanted to know where it came from, they'd just look back to the quote from the man himself. Like you did. But fair enough, it was just me being too lazy to add the quotes and then clarify that it's a characterisation, which given the sensitive subject was just a bit stupid. My bad.
But you're free to clarify your view and dispute the characterisation? That's a normal part of the free exchange of ideas. You just choose not to.
I agree that people shouldn't be able to mischaracterise others' views, and if you show me where I have, I'll hold my hands up. However on the flipside, I don't think people should be able to say something and claim it can only ever be understood in the context it was said, no inferences can be made, no implications can be drawn. That leads down a dangerous path too.
Here's the direct quote. You put the PM and chancellor in a special class of decision makers that should be exempted them from self-isolation, which in turn exempts them from the law. If you meant decision-makers and a load of other people, then that's obviously open to misinterpretation, and clarification would fix that. If you clarified your view, then my characterisation might not fit at all. I would take it it back as ultimately I was the one who misinterpreted it. But that wouldn't be the default assumption given the words you chose. Decision-makers don't tend to mean bus drivers, for example. That's what drives the inferences.
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You do realise you characterised me as a pleb in the orginal quote right? I'm not going to engage in an endless discussion with you. People like you just aren't worth the effort.
Ironically, that's just your inference. I think you've misinterpreted. It doesn't represent my view of you, or people that share those views, at all. You've just characterised it in a way to fit your argument. Maybe it's because I left things open to misinterpretation. All perfectly normal things in a discussion, on a discussion forum. At the end of the day if you don't want your views to be discussed, you shouldn't share them on a discussion forum.
So this is yet another BoJo u-turn?
3Oyo friend of mine got the facial palsy adverse reaction. Hopefully it reverses. He's very panicked about it, understandably. I think it goes away after a couple weeks?
You've been awfully sincere throughout this exchange. People like me should be accountable to people like you.
Usually 3 weeks, sadly can be a few months for full facial muscle function/strength for a few cases.
In the beginning regardless of if he's on steroid tablets, important to get eye drops as risk of dry eyes. There's very good specialist services from facial rehabiliation to oculoplastics that have a lot of good therapies now in even very severe cases.
This. Plus, if people had any political knowledge and awareness, they wouldn't have voted these twats in in the first place. People voted Tory in Old Labour heartlands because they blamed their local Labour MPs for the decline of the High Street, and public services and for the poor condition of the roads, when all of these problems were caused by decade-long Tory austerity policies and lack of regulation of the likes of Amazon. The kind of stuff that goes on at Westminster day in, day out isn't seen by most voters.