SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Is there any information on the hospitalisation rates with the India variant? I've just read a report claiming that 1 in 10 people in Punjab are needing critical care. That seems very high which is concerning?
Its not that confusing we are reaching around 70% of the adult population having antibodies via natural infection or vaccination this is over the threshold of what will stop chain transmission so now the virus is still with us but its much more likely to be stopped in its tracks by someone vaccinated/immune from a previous infection you now have a 30% chance of bumping into someone and them being the next link to spread transmission.
With the combination of lockdown and testing with kids at schools that will decrease the limit of children spreading also.
Impossible to get accurate stats from India right now. To know what % of cases are hospitalised you need to first know an exact number of cases. With positivity rate of testing running as high as 50% we know the documented number of cases is a huge underestimate of the true numbers. Which will falsely inflate death/hospitalisations rates.
It's because of traditional and social media that we know it's being vastly under reported.
This is one of several examples from 3-4 big states, I've posted more in the India thread, and MDFC linked another one replying to you. At least one of the states isn't even testing people with symptoms or contacts, as suv said in his reply to you and I've seen the same on social media.
E- this isn't just not-foreign media, it is a newspaper from the state our PM and home minister are from. Gujarati media was known to be very close to the ruling party.
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Another one, this time from a state that where there were no previous reports about undercounting
I got my second vaccine yesterday. Don’t feel great today
Probably a stupid (and hopefully not too insensitive?) question but does the undercounting matter? Everyone know India is going through hell at the moment, mainly down to gross mismanagement by the government. Does it change anything to have a death toll that is 50% less than reality? With all the grim scenes of overwhelmed crematoriums and people dying before they get to hospital the official death toll is inevitably going to be wildly inaccurate.
We just cant manufacture the vaccines fast enough and get the world vaccinated fast enough. Thats despite the staggering speed the vaccines were developed in. So many different facets to how the world and countries function combining to trip up every step forward we think we have made. Every social ill being magnified along the way. I really hope that once this is finally under some level of acceptable control the world doesnt quickly forget the hard lessons being learned.
The undercounting ultimately leads to more distrust of govt and whats needed is govts people trust so that the public follow good leadership. (assuming good leadership is in place)
ps sorry as usual I sort of missed your actual point...
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Which one as i got my 2nd Moderna last Monday and had two shite days.
Only today am i a bit better.
Moderna too. Ok just a bit of a temperature and no appetite
A few things I can think of:
Oxygen is distributed by the centre (in theory) on the basis of what states need. In practice there are imbalances so who knows.
If you look at the efficacy of lockdowns (which are being imposed by states rather than the centre now), there is no way of knowing whether they work or not if some states do not report.
Many (most? all?) states require a positive test for hospital admission. If tests are being fudged...
Political point scoring - 3 of the 4 states with lots of reports of undercounting are ruled by the party that also rules at the centre. In theory it can be a persuasive argument to win elections.
Anyway, my post was in response to someone claiming that our per-capita numbers aren't bad compared to the UK, and my point was that our per-capita numbers don't mean much.
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All solid points. Thanks.
All the stupid cnuts in the world need to know what happens when you overload the health system
UP, Gujarat, Bihar.. which one is the fourth?
I'm assuming MP?
Delhi. Of course there, with LG signing off on all decisions, it's hard to say who is messing with what.
I was thinking haryana instead of Bihar-read a few reports from gurgaon.
So our health minister says that India has the lowest fatality rate in the world. Of course we do, given the numbers are HEAVILY underreported. Even with the lies, why are we boasting of it?
https://indianexpress.com/article/c...vardhan-as-countrys-toll-tops-2-lakh-7295594/
Then our shameless external affairs minister wants embassies and overseas missions to concentrate on, and ensure that the world media doesn't highlight the government's failure.
https://indianexpress.com/article/i...re-jaishankar-tells-indian-diplomats-7296036/
Absolutely infuriating, we've got a PR Government.
https://indianexpress.com/article/c...vardhan-as-countrys-toll-tops-2-lakh-7295594/
Then our shameless external affairs minister wants embassies and overseas missions to concentrate on, and ensure that the world media doesn't highlight the government's failure.
https://indianexpress.com/article/i...re-jaishankar-tells-indian-diplomats-7296036/
Absolutely infuriating, we've got a PR Government.
I feel angry and sad on your behalf. Doesn’t he watch the news?
he’s like that general from the Iraq war
Australia are making it illegal with possible imprisonment for their citizens to travel back from India. If they were offering help to support Australians in India it could be argued, but this feels like abandonment to me. It's one thing making it difficult, but actually making it illegal to return back to your own country or offer something to support your own is surely just wrong?
It's interesting that there's no human rights laws to back them up due to the Australian constitution.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56953052
It's interesting that there's no human rights laws to back them up due to the Australian constitution.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56953052
What? That’s crazy! Quarantine them in a facility when they get back
Country whose political class certainly admires the political regime of his trade partner number 1.
..what?
Seems so wrong but Australia have been fecking over their citizens living abroad for the last 12 months.
That’s so fecking crazy. Australia are trying to keep the virus out of the country completely. So it doesn’t matter which variant comes in. They’re aspiring to keep them all out regardless. So why have a different policy for different variants? It makes no sense.
Plus we don’t have any reliable evidence that the Indian variant is more infectious/dangerous but we’ve established that the Kent variant is both of these things months ago. And they never made flights from the UK illegal. There’s an awful whiff of racism off this decision. Don’t know how else to explain it.
I haven't been updating recently but today's UK number(s) blew me away. We recorded 1 death in the whole country. Just one.
Sure it's a bank holiday so less counting etc, but nevertheless the count came to 1. In a country that was recording 1800+ per day a few months ago. As I'm religious I can only thank God and pray this isn't temporary. And hope other countries around the world get here quickly too.
Sure it's a bank holiday so less counting etc, but nevertheless the count came to 1. In a country that was recording 1800+ per day a few months ago. As I'm religious I can only thank God and pray this isn't temporary. And hope other countries around the world get here quickly too.
Those stats that show cases and deaths/100K population for Israel, UK and US are eye catching. Here's hoping that those positive trends continue.
Knee jerk reaction to what is happening in India and to two high profile cricketers returning home via Qatar to sidestep the stopping of direct flights from India. Not racist in the sense that they would have made the same decision no matter the country but it does demonstrate how tone deaf the Federal government are when it comes to race. So clueless an idea that even their own MPs are pushing back and it may not even be legal. I think the fear is that our hotel quarantine isn't good enough if a greater percentage of people returning are infected and that this will lead to a greater number of outbreaks especially when some of the new variants seem to be spread more easily through aerosol. The Feds could have taken charge of quarantine but again have gone feck all and that leaves the states having to do the best they can with normal hotels.
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This thread is basically saying that Indian variant is rising in U.K. as others are falling. Sort of how the rise of the U.K. variant in Europe was masked by overall falling cases. Definitely worrying!
The Indian variant was always going to rise considering it was at very low numbers though. Talk of the Brazilian and South African variant has gone quiet. As long as deaths and hospitalizations remain low and the vaccines remain broadly effective we'll be fine. Ofcourse things can change quickly but things are looking much better here In the UK. The next test will come in the middle of autumn.
Some good news for the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eason-for-optimism?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eason-for-optimism?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Big shout out to God for saving the UK, next time if God can get in there before millions die then that would just be just dandy. Good job he likes us Brits best eh!
Strong evidence the virus was in Italy as early as September and perhaps even before.
If lessons are to be learned then the early detection of new viruses is paramount.
If God saved everybody we'd have 100 billion people on earth cramming for space, like that old Star Trek episode where no one ever dies. Then you'll be praying for death, like they were.
If God saved everybody we'd have 100 billion people on earth cramming for space, like that old Star Trek episode where no one ever dies. Then you'll be praying for death, like they were.
Or he would just magic up more space and resources for everybody / take the good people off to heaven. I mean, he makes the rules right?
Oh I see. Like cut out the middle ground and just make us all angels? Very philosophical but I think the thread is being derailed.
My wife was in Florence in June-July 2019 for around 7 weeks (with a week touring Naples, Roma, Pisa at the start) with her USF college program. She returned to Tampa early August I think. Anyway, around 3-4 weeks before she came back she was struck with flu like conditions for around 2 weeks. She has a tendancy to get bronchitis and she did, she knows this and quickly got treatment. She was miserable for a week and when she called she said there is a lot of flu going around, everyone she knows and sees there seems to be coughing and not feeling great.
When she came back to US she had a relapse and was again treated for bronchitis symptoms. She is convinced she had covid19 and that it was around Florence in July 2019. Since then she has had what we would now call symptoms of long covid. Very mild though.
This is obviously undiagnosed, anecdotal, and the flu like sypmtoms was widespread in the local population and other students from USF on the program.