SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Grinner said:
I have a worry that Italy will suffer this. They are gambling heavily to try to save their summer. I understand why but it seems risky.
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A lot of Italians think this but i don't know. By summer most people will be vaccinated, and the way it's going with the most capable vaccine. AZ stocks are almost empty. We are flooded with Pfizer and switching new vaccinations to that. Reservation for under 50s start in just over 2 weeks. Everything is looking good on that front.

It's Day 1 of yellow zone and the streets are already full so no doubt cases will rise. I'm not sure hospitalisations and deaths will follow this time.

Are you planning to return?
 
Pogue Mahone said:


The brass neck of these cnuts. To make a grab for the headlines again at the precise moment that events in India are proving how spectacularly wrong-headed their previous correspondence was.
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Hate all of them. Embodiment of the argument from authority fallacy. They've all had so much airtime too on LBC, talkradio and in print press yet whine about being silenced.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


The brass neck of these cnuts. To make a grab for the headlines again at the precise moment that events in India are proving how spectacularly wrong-headed their previous correspondence was.
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Similar theme:
A pro-Modi investment consultant/economist got this published on Saturday:
https://indianexpress.com/article/o...ve-cases-electoral-rallies-modi-govt-7283840/

This was the news on Sunday:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-kolkata-is-positive/articleshow/82236519.cms

(That's the state which has been hosting big rallies by Modi and the opposition)
 
11101 said:
A lot of Italians think this but i don't know. By summer most people will be vaccinated, and the way it's going with the most capable vaccine. AZ stocks are almost empty. We are flooded with Pfizer and switching new vaccinations to that. Reservation for under 50s start in just over 2 weeks. Everything is looking good on that front.

It's Day 1 of yellow zone and the streets are already full so no doubt cases will rise. I'm not sure hospitalisations and deaths will follow this time.

Are you planning to return?
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It won't be like that everywhere in Italy, unfortunately. We're only just vaccinating the 65-69s, and that's an enormous number of people.
 
Has anyone used the Eurostar in the past few months to travel abroad? I.e Paris/Amsterdam? I've tried calling Eurostar but can't get through to anybody.

I'm planning to go from Kings cross to Amsterdam and I've been looking online and have had conflicting messages from websites. Some say you just need a PCR test to be done atleast 72hours prior to arriving whereas others say you also need a rapid test done within 24hours of arriving.

Is there anybody who has travelled recently able to shed any light?
 
And then here’s Florida being Florida

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...zbIdVHotS_rW_FPN9uUK7pA3VKQb33jSVEa_4QDosK_oc

“A school in Miami is coming under fire after it reportedly sent out a letter telling vaccinated employees they could not be around students, citing false claims linking the vaccine to changes in women’s reproductive cycles.

In the letter, Centner reportedly told employees that they would not be allowed to be around students if they received the coronavirus vaccine, pointing to reports she claimed that “surfaced recently of non-vaccinated people being negatively impacted by interacting with people who have been vaccinated.

“Even among our own population, we have at least three women with menstrual cycles impacted after having spent time with a vaccinated person,” Centner also stated in the letter, according to the Times.”
 
I just heard that my son's Uni in CA is proposing to go back to F2F classes in Fall and you won't be allowed to attend if you aren't vaccinated.

4 of his team/housemates are whinging about restrictions due to Coronavirus and also whinging about getting vaccinated because FREEDOM.

The coach called them out one by one in front of the team and tore trips off them. My son was hugely amused. When his mate complained he told him to "get the feck over yourself and get vaccinated". He also said to us that it is hard to live with so much stupid.
 
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I agree with his coach; all students and faculty that get vaccinated should attend F2F classes for the Fall 2021 semester - or if they exercise their freedumb by not getting vaccinated, then stay at home and learn online.
 
utdalltheway said:
I agree with his coach; all students and faculty that get vaccinated should attend F2F classes for the Fall 2021 semester - or if they exercise their freedumb by not getting vaccinated, then stay at home and learn online.
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Purely online learning only occurs for a few Summer classes normally so I suspect it is in effect requiring vaccination for enrolment. Only proposed so far but I suspect it will happen.
 
Penna said:
It won't be like that everywhere in Italy, unfortunately. We're only just vaccinating the 65-69s, and that's an enormous number of people.
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That's unbelievably slow. I thought all EU countries were supposed to have equitable distribution. Here in Cyprus, everyone above the age of 39 will have had at least the 1st dose by this weekend. And yes, I know Cyprus has got 1/60th of Italy's population, but vaccines are meant to be distributed per capita.
 
Solskjaer20 said:
That's unbelievably slow. I thought all EU countries were supposed to have equitable distribution. Here in Cyprus, everyone above the age of 39 will have had at least the 1st dose by this weekend. And yes, I know Cyprus has got 1/60th of Italy's population, but vaccines are meant to be distributed per capita.
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They are. It's down to Italy's ageing population and the way they are distributing the vaccine internally. Italy is ahead of Cyprus in pretty much every vaccination metric, but there are so many old people here, and fully vaccinating people is being given priority over giving only a first dose. About 2/3 of the population falls into the over 60s or priority categories.

The situation is likely different in the South. I've read some regions are refusing to follow the national plan and are giving vaccines to whoever they feel like. Where I am they are doing about 1% of the population per day.
 
H10 said:
Has anyone used the Eurostar in the past few months to travel abroad? I.e Paris/Amsterdam? I've tried calling Eurostar but can't get through to anybody.

I'm planning to go from Kings cross to Amsterdam and I've been looking online and have had conflicting messages from websites. Some say you just need a PCR test to be done atleast 72hours prior to arriving whereas others say you also need a rapid test done within 24hours of arriving.

Is there anybody who has travelled recently able to shed any light?
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I used it in August, but that was before the need to test. At that time it was just the locator form and masks.

I did see a good guide on Stanstead airport's website:

https://consumersupport.collinsonassistance.com/en/support/home

Obviously will need to check what tests are recognized / required by the country that you are travelling to, but it's a good guide to which tests there are.

Am going to book a trip to the Netherlands in May – just waiting to see what is going to happen with the traffic lights so I could potentially avoid having to quarantine, but if they are not a green country will still head over.Currently, you have to quarantine for 10 days in the Netherlands, but you can take a test after 5 days, and if that is negative you can end your quarantine.

The Dutch goveernment website has lots of helpful info: https://www.government.nl/topics/coronavirus-covid-19
 
Solskjaer20 said:
That's unbelievably slow. I thought all EU countries were supposed to have equitable distribution. Here in Cyprus, everyone above the age of 39 will have had at least the 1st dose by this weekend. And yes, I know Cyprus has got 1/60th of Italy's population, but vaccines are meant to be distributed per capita.
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Go Cyprus!
Just started a lockdown though with cases going in the wrong direction. Hopefully things improve quickly.
 
Dante said:
Is the situation in India something that's confined to that nation, or is it a sign of things to come for the rest of the world?
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Good question.
I was wondering what the situation is in the neighbouring countries. Pakistan for instance.
 
Is there any evidence yet to support the conjecture that younger people are worse affected in India?
 
Buster15 said:
Good question.
I was wondering what the situation is in the neighbouring countries. Pakistan for instance.
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My family in Pakistan are saying things are quite bad & it’s spreading very quickly, so I would assumed they’re in a Covid wave that is yet to peak. There’s at least 10 people of all ages I know who have been infected with Covid in the last week & they’re all over the country, so it doesn’t look like it’s restricted to one city.

Hopefully it doesn’t explode, but things aren’t looking good and with Eid upcoming in 2 weeks’ time, things may get worse. The vaccination program isn’t as good as India’s either.
 
ha_rooney said:
My family in Pakistan are saying things are quite bad & it’s spreading very quickly, so I would assumed they’re in a Covid wave that is yet to peak. There’s at least 10 people of all ages I know who have been infected with Covid in the last week & they’re all over the country, so it doesn’t look like it’s restricted to one city.

Hopefully it doesn’t explode, but things aren’t looking good and with Eid upcoming in 2 weeks’ time, things may get worse. The vaccination program isn’t as good as India’s either.

ha_rooney said:
My family in Pakistan are saying things are quite bad & it’s spreading very quickly, so I would assumed they’re in a Covid wave that is yet to peak. There’s at least 10 people of all ages I know who have been infected with Covid in the last week & they’re all over the country, so it doesn’t look like it’s restricted to one city.

Hopefully it doesn’t explode, but things aren’t looking good and with Eid upcoming in 2 weeks’ time, things may get worse. The vaccination program isn’t as good as India’s either.
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That must be a real worry for you. I do hope that your family are able to stay as safe as is possible until vaccinated.
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The situation in India looks so horrible. I do think it's strange that it took so long so spread so badly in a really densely populated, developing country like India. I'd be intrigued to know what similar African and Asian countries have been doing to combat it so well.
 
11101 said:
They are. It's down to Italy's ageing population and the way they are distributing the vaccine internally. Italy is ahead of Cyprus in pretty much every vaccination metric, but there are so many old people here, and fully vaccinating people is being given priority over giving only a first dose. About 2/3 of the population falls into the over 60s or priority categories.

The situation is likely different in the South. I've read some regions are refusing to follow the national plan and are giving vaccines to whoever they feel like. Where I am they are doing about 1% of the population per day.
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How is that possible if everyone above the age of 39 in Cyprus has had at least one dose?
 
ha_rooney said:
My family in Pakistan are saying things are quite bad & it’s spreading very quickly, so I would assumed they’re in a Covid wave that is yet to peak. There’s at least 10 people of all ages I know who have been infected with Covid in the last week & they’re all over the country, so it doesn’t look like it’s restricted to one city.

Hopefully it doesn’t explode, but things aren’t looking good and with Eid upcoming in 2 weeks’ time, things may get worse. The vaccination program isn’t as good as India’s either.
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Oh. In which case why are they offering to lend ambulances to India?

also is Eid going to be home based rather than loads celebrating together? Religious and political gatherings are a big reason why India is in trouble
 
Pogue Mahone said:
How is that possible if everyone above the age of 39 in Cyprus has had at least one dose?
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I am not sure how Cyprus are distributing their vaccines. Maybe Cyprus has a very young population, and Italy's first few million doses went to medics and other front line workers.

As of last Friday both countries had given exactly 20% of their populations at least one dose, whilst Italy was ahead in daily and cumulative administrations, and therefore also in full vaccinations.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
How is that possible if everyone above the age of 39 in Cyprus has had at least one dose?
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They have given only like 24% of people the first dose, so either the poster gave false info or it is correct only very locally or their uptake in elders is minimal.
 
Serious question: has anyone in his 30s done AZ? Tle platform just opened here (Greece) for 30-39 but only with AZ. My brother already made an appointment but I m not 100% sure..
 
led_scholes said:
Serious question: has anyone in his 30s done AZ? Tle platform just opened here (Greece) for 30-39 but only with AZ. My brother already made an appointment but I m not 100% sure..
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I have, my housemate has and loads of my friends in their 20s have too, honestly I’d go for it if the option is there.
 
11101 said:
I am not sure how Cyprus are distributing their vaccines. Maybe Cyprus has a very young population, and Italy's first few million doses went to medics and other front line workers.

As of last Friday both countries had given exactly 20% of their populations at least one dose, whilst Italy was ahead in daily and cumulative administrations, and therefore also in full vaccinations.
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massi83 said:
They have given only like 24% of people the first dose, so either the poster gave false info or it is correct only very locally or their uptake in elders is minimal.
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Ah. Ok. When you look at comparable data across the EU it all looks very similar. Seemed strange to have Cyprus apparently so ahead of the curve.
 
led_scholes said:
Serious question: has anyone in his 30s done AZ? Tle platform just opened here (Greece) for 30-39 but only with AZ. My brother already made an appointment but I m not 100% sure..
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For men it should be fine. You would have to wait around 2 months probably for Pfizer, so depends on your situation.
 
golden_blunder said:
Oh. In which case why are they offering to lend ambulances to India?

also is Eid going to be home based rather than loads celebrating together? Religious and political gatherings are a big reason why India is in trouble
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I think the ambulance thing has come from a charity organisation rather than the govt. Regardless, it seems India is far worse & needs any help it can get so it’s good to see countries put aside pathetic politics in times like these.

On Eid I very much doubt it’ll be home based, unless the govt imposes an enforced lockdown. There’s talk that the army is being deployed in various cities but how strictly they can enforce a lockdown in the face of the religious groups, I’m not sure. Eid caused a spike last year & I fear it’ll be the same again.
 
11101 said:
They are. It's down to Italy's ageing population and the way they are distributing the vaccine internally. Italy is ahead of Cyprus in pretty much every vaccination metric, but there are so many old people here, and fully vaccinating people is being given priority over giving only a first dose. About 2/3 of the population falls into the over 60s or priority categories.
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That sounds like the typical "if everyone has priority, no one has priority".
 
led_scholes said:
Serious question: has anyone in his 30s done AZ? Tle platform just opened here (Greece) for 30-39 but only with AZ. My brother already made an appointment but I m not 100% sure..
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I just turned 30 - as did my fiance - and we both have had the AZ vaccine. Loved it, great experience, 10/10, would do it again (will need to do it again).

Got a lot of friends around the 30 mark/mid-late twenites who've all had it and - other than a day of feeling under the weather - it's been fine. Arm ached for a few weeks after, but nothing to write home about.
 
In response to the above queries, there has been a low uptake of AZ vaccines for the 50 to 70 year age bracket, therefore the rollout has progressed rapidly towards the 39+ group. The former age group is waiting for a 500.000 Pfizer delivery in about a month since people here are very anti-AZ.

And yes, we currently have a 2 week short circuit to lower our cases. We have an higher than usual case count compared to the rest of EU because we test on average 50 to 60k per day of our 880k population.
 
ha_rooney said:
I think the ambulance thing has come from a charity organisation rather than the govt. Regardless, it seems India is far worse & needs any help it can get so it’s good to see countries put aside pathetic politics in times like these.

On Eid I very much doubt it’ll be home based, unless the govt imposes an enforced lockdown. There’s talk that the army is being deployed in various cities but how strictly they can enforce a lockdown in the face of the religious groups, I’m not sure. Eid caused a spike last year & I fear it’ll be the same again.
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It’s crazy. Perhaps after what has happened the people themselves will apply some common sense..
 
Solskjaer20 said:
In response to the above queries, there has been a low uptake of AZ vaccines for the 50 to 70 year age bracket, therefore the rollout has progressed rapidly towards the 39+ group. The former age group is waiting for a 500.000 Pfizer delivery in about a month since people here are very anti-AZ.

And yes, we currently have a 2 week short circuit to lower our cases. We have an higher than usual case count compared to the rest of EU because we test on average 50 to 60k per day of our 880k population.
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Yeah, that explains it, most countries don't use AZ for those age groups.
 
No wonder we have people dying in the streets. The Indian government hasn't stopped the super spreader event even after so much outrage and death.

 
I've got my first jab tomorrow morning. The NHS booking system didn't tell me which of the vaccines I'll be getting.

I don't really care but did anyone else who has had their via the NHS get told?
 
duffer said:
I've got my first jab tomorrow morning. The NHS booking system didn't tell me which of the vaccines I'll be getting.

I don't really care but did anyone else who has had their via the NHS get told?
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Nah you’ll get whatever they have there tomorrow when you get there!
 
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