SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)



Strong evidence the virus was in Italy as early as September and perhaps even before.

If lessons are to be learned then the early detection of new viruses is paramount.


My wife is convinced I had it Christmas 2019. Her brother in law came back from China and I got hit by the worst flu i've ever had. I basically spent 6 straight days in bed, unable to move. I personally think it was just flu, but you never know.
 
My wife was in Florence in June-July 2019 for around 7 weeks (with a week touring Naples, Roma, Pisa at the start) with her USF college program. She returned to Tampa early August I think. Anyway, around 3-4 weeks before she came back she was struck with flu like conditions for around 2 weeks. She has a tendancy to get bronchitis and she did, she knows this and quickly got treatment. She was miserable for a week and when she called she said there is a lot of flu going around, everyone she knows and sees there seems to be coughing and not feeling great.
When she came back to US she had a relapse and was again treated for bronchitis symptoms. She is convinced she had covid19 and that it was around Florence in July 2019. Since then she has had what we would now call symptoms of long covid. Very mild though.

This is obviously undiagnosed, anecdotal, and the flu like sypmtoms was widespread in the local population and other students from USF on the program.
Zero chance. Literally.
 
My wife was in Florence in June-July 2019 for around 7 weeks (with a week touring Naples, Roma, Pisa at the start) with her USF college program. She returned to Tampa early August I think. Anyway, around 3-4 weeks before she came back she was struck with flu like conditions for around 2 weeks. She has a tendancy to get bronchitis and she did, she knows this and quickly got treatment. She was miserable for a week and when she called she said there is a lot of flu going around, everyone she knows and sees there seems to be coughing and not feeling great.
When she came back to US she had a relapse and was again treated for bronchitis symptoms. She is convinced she had covid19 and that it was around Florence in July 2019. Since then she has had what we would now call symptoms of long covid. Very mild though.

This is obviously undiagnosed, anecdotal, and the flu like sypmtoms was widespread in the local population and other students from USF on the program.

It would be interesting to know the true genesis of the virus, as the reports in western media paint this as something that emerged in China in late 2019 and didn't reach Europe until early 2020

My wife is convinced I had it Christmas 2019. Her brother in law came back from China and I got hit by the worst flu i've ever had. I basically spent 6 straight days in bed, unable to move. I personally think it was just flu, but you never know.

It could be but if you weren't coughing then it could have just been the flu.
 
Looks like Spain have really tightened up their international travel, no-one really allowed in. Gonna hit their tourism trade
 
Looks like Spain have really tightened up their international travel, no-one really allowed in. Gonna hit their tourism trade
I know they've continued the restrictions on non-essential travel until the end of May for UK visitors (in fact for all non-EU visitors) but wasn't aware they'd changed them further. I know they've added India to what's effectively a no travel list. Have you seen something new on it?
 
I know they've continued the restrictions on non-essential travel until the end of May for UK visitors (in fact for all non-EU visitors) but wasn't aware they'd changed them further. I know they've added India to what's effectively a no travel list. Have you seen something new on it?
Tbf was only looking at it today so no idea how bad it was before
 
We’ve had to take our eldest (8 years old) for a test this morning. Bit of a temperature, coughing a bit. The wee lad (5) is now the same, and i have a tickly cough.
My wife and I both got our first jab last week.
As we are cocooning the only place these kids have been is school. A week after taking them back.
 
a colleague in our Bangalore office died this morning from covid
I am in Chennai. I know of someone, maybe two degrees of separation away at most, dying every day for last two weeks. And we are one of the less infected cities.
 
We’ve had to take our eldest (8 years old) for a test this morning. Bit of a temperature, coughing a bit. The wee lad (5) is now the same, and i have a tickly cough.
My wife and I both got our first jab last week.
As we are cocooning the only place these kids have been is school. A week after taking them back.

Hope you’re all OK geebs. Keep us updated.
 
Do they still exist? Good to hear regardless.
I caught one a few weeks ago and it’s like the lack of exposure to them over the past year has weakened any partial immunity that we usually have. I felt so shitty for three-four days, waking up sweaty in the middle of the night and fatigued as hell.
 
I caught one a few weeks ago and it’s like the lack of exposure to them over the past year has weakened any partial immunity that we usually have. I felt so shitty for three-four days, waking up sweaty in the middle of the night and fatigued as hell.
Ah that sucks. Must be really unlucky to catch something that’s not super transmissible during these socially distanced times.

Touch wood I’ve not been ill for coming on two years now, albeit my social distancing started in September 2019 when I started the final year of my degree so I’ve been working from home since then. I used to regularly get colds, coughs and whatever strain was knocking about at the time. I’m expecting that whenever I start going back to the office regularly and everywhere opens up again I’m going to catch every little bug there is and spend a month or two in bed with the Kleenex and not in a good way.
 
https://apple.news/A_6f-Ph2ZR8-xo4Ax99EP3w


It is believed that more than 500 cases of B.1.617.2 have now been detected across England with the highest levels in London and the north-west of England.


That would represent a sharp rise from the 202 cases officially recorded by PHE in the UK as of 28 April.


It is not known how many of the current infections in the UK can be linked back to international travel.


However, it is thought there has already been some evidence of "significant" community transmission, mainly linked to workplaces and religions gatherings.


In one cluster at a care home, 14 elderly residents who have all been vaccinated were infected with the variant, the source said. A number needed hospital treatment but not for severe disease, and it is thought all have now recovered.”

That last paragraph isn’t nice read
 
https://apple.news/A_6f-Ph2ZR8-xo4Ax99EP3w


It is believed that more than 500 cases of B.1.617.2 have now been detected across England with the highest levels in London and the north-west of England.


That would represent a sharp rise from the 202 cases officially recorded by PHE in the UK as of 28 April.


It is not known how many of the current infections in the UK can be linked back to international travel.


However, it is thought there has already been some evidence of "significant" community transmission, mainly linked to workplaces and religions gatherings.


In one cluster at a care home, 14 elderly residents who have all been vaccinated were infected with the variant, the source said. A number needed hospital treatment but not for severe disease, and it is thought all have now recovered.”

That last paragraph isn’t nice read

I'd say the last paragraph shows that the vaccine worked pretty well in this instance. Unvaccinated these 14 could well have ended up in a much worse state.
 
In one cluster at a care home, 14 elderly residents who have all been vaccinated were infected with the variant, the source said. A number needed hospital treatment but not for severe disease, and it is thought all have now recovered.”

That last paragraph isn’t nice read
If the Guardian report of that cluster is correct the residents had received their second doses of AZ during the previous week. So it may well be good news, in that they basically were able to fight off serious disease on the back of a single dose of vaccine.

The thing that does worry me is that it got into the home. Was that through an uncaccinated care worker or, less likely given the numbers of residents affected, an uncaccinated visitor? Does that mean that the testing regime for staff/visitors isn't enough to spot this version at its infectious stage? Plus, of course, it sends us back to the ongoing debate about care workers and vaccination.

The other big cluster being reported this week is the school in Long Eaton where they've got more than a hundred cases. They closed for the week after the cases were identified on Tuesday. We don't know the variant involved there, but there has to be a serious investigation of what happened and why. Including questions about whether the heating/ventilation system could be involved - something we've not really addressed so far but which has raised questions in quarantine hotels in some locations.
 
https://apple.news/A_6f-Ph2ZR8-xo4Ax99EP3w


It is believed that more than 500 cases of B.1.617.2 have now been detected across England with the highest levels in London and the north-west of England.


That would represent a sharp rise from the 202 cases officially recorded by PHE in the UK as of 28 April.


It is not known how many of the current infections in the UK can be linked back to international travel.


However, it is thought there has already been some evidence of "significant" community transmission, mainly linked to workplaces and religions gatherings.


In one cluster at a care home, 14 elderly residents who have all been vaccinated were infected with the variant, the source said. A number needed hospital treatment but not for severe disease, and it is thought all have now recovered.”

That last paragraph isn’t nice read
It didn’t fecking walk to the U.K. from India. Anyone that comes in from India or transited through the country should be in a quarantine
 
If the Guardian report of that cluster is correct the residents had received their second doses of AZ during the previous week. So it may well be good news, in that they basically were able to fight off serious disease on the back of a single dose of vaccine.

The thing that does worry me is that it got into the home. Was that through an uncaccinated care worker or, less likely given the numbers of residents affected, an uncaccinated visitor? Does that mean that the testing regime for staff/visitors isn't enough to spot this version at its infectious stage? Plus, of course, it sends us back to the ongoing debate about care workers and vaccination.

The other big cluster being reported this week is the school in Long Eaton where they've got more than a hundred cases. They closed for the week after the cases were identified on Tuesday. We don't know the variant involved there, but there has to be a serious investigation of what happened and why. Including questions about whether the heating/ventilation system could be involved - something we've not really addressed so far but which has raised questions in quarantine hotels in some locations.
Wow. Secondary level?
 
Wow. Secondary level?
Yep. They don't split the hundred cases between staff/students, but it's apparently mostly year 7-9 affected. The school isn't huge, it's got about 950 students, so it must be a high percentage of those year groups (11-14 year olds).
 
Fecking masks back again.

First world problems but I haven't missed them.

A single case of unknown source who has now infected his wife but nobody else yet (early days). Or rather they know the source - hotel quarantine, a passenger from the US in Quarantine with an Indian variant not of concern. What they don't know is how this seemingly random person out in the community got it.
 
A friend of my son's tested positive neatly 2 months after getting his Pfhizer shots.

Tested negative a few days later - luckily a false positive.
 
I'm still hoping they allow J+J for under 50s here later in the summer for those of us who likely won't get a first dose until July or August.
 
Yep. They don't split the hundred cases between staff/students, but it's apparently mostly year 7-9 affected. The school isn't huge, it's got about 950 students, so it must be a high percentage of those year groups (11-14 year olds).
Presumably it was different days and different groups so did they try closing individual classes?

in my sons school if someone tests positive the whole class is closed until they all get their tests
 
The other big cluster being reported this week is the school in Long Eaton where they've got more than a hundred cases. They closed for the week after the cases were identified on Tuesday. We don't know the variant involved there, but there has to be a serious investigation of what happened and why. Including questions about whether the heating/ventilation system could be involved - something we've not really addressed so far but which has raised questions in quarantine hotels in some locations.
I think ventilation systems are definite possibility. You might remember the Legionnaires' outbreak in Barrow about 20 years ago, where a number of people died. That was a complete puzzle regarding transmission, until it was found that a faulty AC system in an arts centre was venting contaminated air into a narrow alleyway in the town centre. That explained the random pattern of infections.
 
Your 22 year old son is still in school?
As Spanner said, mates he was in school with . he saw some lads he hasn`t seen for ages . There was a kid he used to play football with whose birthday was the day before his that he hadn`t seen since the under16`s. Seem to be moving fast with vaccines in Wales.
 
As Spanner said, mates he was in school with . he saw some lads he hasn`t seen for ages . There was a kid he used to play football with whose birthday was the day before his that he hadn`t seen since the under16`s. Seem to be moving fast with vaccines in Wales.
It's a tactical decision by the Welsh authorities. They're using their AZ stock on the older age group. They're using their Pfizer first dose supply on their 18+ group. The view they took was that with the advice on AZ they'd start using all their first dose Pfizer to vaccinate as many of the under 30s as they could, before hospitality reopens fully in the hopes it would help suppress case rates.

Scotland have stuck to the straight age/risk based priority system and use AZ (for 40+ from now on) or Pfizer (for any age group)

England have been stockpiling Pfizer, probably anticipating the JCVI advice, ready for a big push into the under 40s, starting in the next week or so. If things go well they'll be calling everyone before the end of June.
 
Presumably it was different days and different groups so did they try closing individual classes?

in my sons school if someone tests positive the whole class is closed until they all get their tests
The ramp up was very fast. The local area went from around 7 cases/day at the end of April to 43 on the 2nd May (that jump would be almost entirely from pupils doing their weekend LFT test) then flew up. The school didn't reopen on the 4th after the Bank Holiday weekend because by then they had over hundred positives.
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Families and other close contracts have been encouraged to go to a test site at the school for PCR testing. They've identified about 200 cases now (not just pupils)

The pattern of the case growth suggests that a lot of people got infected more or less simultaneously (and then took it home to their families). It looks like a classic super-spreader event or super-spreader situation.

It's a really important investigation and I hope they publish what they learn. Unfortunately there may be problems when it comes to getting the really important details - there's a real conflict of interest between privacy and publication in this situation.
 
Had my first AZ jab yesterday. What a night. Started to get the shakes at about 11pm. I managed to sleep a bit but it's been like a bad fever all night. Must have drunk a small lake judging by how often I needed the toilet.

I'm feeling a bit better now though. I might even drag my ass out of bed by the time the match starts.
 
This just gives antivax nutters shit to cling to and feels totally unnecessary.

Equally, people will be questioning why they would be getting that vaccine as a 20 or 30 year old when their European neighbours have restricted it to the elderly only.
 
Had my first AZ jab yesterday. What a night. Started to get the shakes at about 11pm. I managed to sleep a bit but it's been like a bad fever all night. Must have drunk a small lake judging by how often I needed the toilet.

I'm feeling a bit better now though. I might even drag my ass out of bed by the time the match starts.

Good man